Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. |OT| Tahiti is a Magical Place (to...Hey guys, I found it!)
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SquiddyCracker
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Ward is a psychopath with the blood of a disabled, innocent man on his hands in addition to three shield agents he killed in cold blood.
I'm glad the writers didn't even bother trying to keep him as a good guy, he'll do better as a baddie.
I'm glad the writers didn't even bother trying to keep him as a good guy, he'll do better as a baddie.
Not necessarily: (don't read if you haven't seen Winter Soldier)
Fury is not dead, and obviously Zola or at least part of his algorithm is the clairvoyant, Pierce is the corrupt head of Shield whom Hand speaks of... who we have no knowledge of in the show.
So I take back what I said about TWS being spoilery. It's actually damn near genius because if you watch the movie
Cap won but disbanded SHIELD
Personally, I don't think Hand is dead. If so, everyone is going to be flying blind by AOU, unless the heroes find it in themselves to band together without SHIELD.
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I am almost convinced he has to have mad dirt on some higher up.
Not bad for a former SHIELD accountant.
Did the show ever have Garret explicitly say that he's the Clairvoyant, or that the Clairvoyant and Centipede are connected with Hydra?
It seems like a lot of people are assuming that he is, and that Centipede was just a name the show was using while it couldn't use the Hydra name, but I don't recall any text that explicitly showed that.
I suppose there was the scene where Garret takes credit for Coulson's kidnapping and torture, but I'm not sure that proves that he's the Clairvoyant.
I can still see a situation where the Clairvoyant is a third-party in all this, and it's not Garret.
It seems like a lot of people are assuming that he is, and that Centipede was just a name the show was using while it couldn't use the Hydra name, but I don't recall any text that explicitly showed that.
I suppose there was the scene where Garret takes credit for Coulson's kidnapping and torture, but I'm not sure that proves that he's the Clairvoyant.
I can still see a situation where the Clairvoyant is a third-party in all this, and it's not Garret.
Cause Saffron is hot.
She used to be hotter before she messed up her face.
It's the Faora effect. No matter how underdeveloped, if she a strong, hot woman she is the best thing ever ;P
She seems to have a more distinct personality compared to a lot of the other blander characters.
Cornballer
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- Sepinwall on last night's episode
Too spoilerish for now, otherwise I would've done it.Damn, it should have been Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. |OT| Tahiti is a Magical Place (To HAIL HYDRA!) like someone suggested a page or so back.
HAIL HYDRA!
Understandable then.
So if Garret was the Clairvoyant.... what was the point of sending Deathlok to attack him in the safehouse?
It seemed like Coulson's team was already going to do the 13 suspects, so it didn't do anything to prod them to action. It also created a chance he'd be killed by Deathlok.
So.... why?
It seemed like Coulson's team was already going to do the 13 suspects, so it didn't do anything to prod them to action. It also created a chance he'd be killed by Deathlok.
So.... why?
A fellow Hydra agent!
Hail Hydra!
That AA news though is saddening because I still haven't forgiven Loeb for axing EMH for this new crappy version (still better than Ultimate Spider-Man)
Who is Baron von Strucker? And is the mind gem an infinity gem? I'm not a comic guy so I apologize.
Hail hydra
yes i know EMH is better maybe there is hope for season two
go watch the marvel anime its really good everyone is in it
coulson , spiderman , fury & maria hill just ot name a few
TWS spoiler
He was the guy with the monocle in the first mid-credits scene. Traditional Marvel Hydra higher-up.
Mind gem is one of the infinity gems.
Mind gem is one of the infinity gems.
I like the idea of why he shot that disabled guy was because he was actually Hydra Agent or at least covering for the Clairvoyant, way better than the idea of "I did it for Skye!"
Hail Hydra
Napoleonthechimp
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The sceptre containing an infinity gem is a dumb idea. If Thanos covets them so much then would he just give one to Loki?
Cut off one head, two more shall take its place!
HAIL HYDRA!
I posted this image earlier but it's just too good to be just a one-off.
Ok cool. I watched TWS and knew the guy he was talking about, I just don't know who he is in the universe. Did we know that Loki's scepter was an infinity gem the whole time? I remember in the Avengers the alien dude told Loki that they gave him the knowledge of the ancients so I guess that's how we know?
So that means 4 of the 5 gems have been revealed right? Tesseract, aether, mind, and the one StarLord is trying to steal in the trailer?
fallengorn
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To throw suspicion off him for the viewers benefit. There's really no interior logic to it, since no one was suspecting him of anything yet. I guess, it could've been planned just in case Hydra's plan goes awry...
Napoleonthechimp
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The very last shot is a close up of Ward that completely cuts out everything else. I got the impression that it was an intentional way of communicating Ward's mental state; basically, in that moment he was completely preoccupied with the actions he's taken and was blocking everything else out.
But maybe I'm just overthinking it.
But maybe I'm just overthinking it.
FlutterPuffs
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I was thinking that he's a brainwashed sleeper agent for Hydra ala Manchurian Candidate. Seems like he was zoned out during that scene.
its a double double cross he used the ice gun
can i ask about Cap 2 spoilers as i forgot something
how did Baron Von Strucker get Loki staff and what does he want with it
and is
Red Skull Dead or still alive
Napoleonthechimp
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My guess: "SHIELD" agents recovered it after the Avengers events and gave it to him.
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We don't know
Presumably it's one of the infinity stones, like the Aether and Tesseract
Dead until we know better, but the way he went out it could have just been the Tesseract transporting him through space. Violently.
Father_Brain
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On further consideration, I can live with Ward not being an unambiguous villain, but only as long as his HYDRA arc doesn't end with him becoming a trusted member of the team again, let alone getting to bang Skye. If they go so far as to reveal that he didn't actually kill Hand and the agents at the end of the episode, I might have to put my fist through the screen.
Anyway, there are several interviews up with the producers and showrunners regarding last night's episode, but this CBR Whedon/Tancharoen interview stood out to me for this quote regarding the plotting of the earlier episodes:
Obviously, Marvel Studios isn't solely responsible for the weakness of the earlier episodes, but I can't entirely blame the writers for not doing their best work when these are the kinds of constraints they had to deal with.
Anyway, there are several interviews up with the producers and showrunners regarding last night's episode, but this CBR Whedon/Tancharoen interview stood out to me for this quote regarding the plotting of the earlier episodes:
Obviously, Marvel Studios isn't solely responsible for the weakness of the earlier episodes, but I can't entirely blame the writers for not doing their best work when these are the kinds of constraints they had to deal with.
Cornballer
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Ratings:
Joe Adalian said:
Mutanthands
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That's not good.
TacticalFox88
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Cornballer
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It'll still most likely get renewed, but I'm surprised that it didn't get at least a little bump this week.
dead souls
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That was the best episode of SHIELD yet, but I wouldn't call it great or even good.
The show still has a long way to go before it is anything other than a disappointment.
The show still has a long way to go before it is anything other than a disappointment.
mugurumakensei
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I wonder how much the leak cost them in viewership.
If you don't think this episode was at least good you should probably just find another show to watch.
MisterFalcon
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She seemed by far the most competent SHIELD exec, taking charge and making secure HYDRA did not take the Hub while everyone else is running for their lives. And I remember Saffron Burrows being way hotter in Troy then Diane Kruger's Helen.
Rafa=FedKilla
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Too little too late. Can't have brahs just waiting around for 16 episodes until the writers say "this is where it really starts, we just had to fill time until this!" I think ajeph is right though, I will keep watching because Simmons is beautiful.
The last person we saw with the staff was Black Widow, she presumably turned it into SHIELD, which means she handed it over to Hydra.
Well all we know is that the tesseract sucked him through some kind portal. They left themselves an out if they want to use him again, but the fact that Pierce wasn't the red skull (which in the comics his equivalent character was) suggests that they are going to leave him dead.
Yes, yes she is.
Jest Chillin
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I'll wait to see the DVR numbers. Even with the TWS tin in being as strong as it is, I'm certain that quite a few viewers recorded this ep until they have time to watch the movie.
BrokenFiction
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I saw on Twitter that it was up 9% over last week, without counting DVR data yet.
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