pretty much Yamato. I expect princess still to have scenes in dream like world and things like that, so not dead dead.
Aldnoah Zero Season 2 |OT| Inaho or Out, It's All The Slaine
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pretty much Yamato. I expect princess still to have scenes in dream like world and things like that, so not dead dead.
BassForever
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Sorry I'm not dropping this show, it may be freaking awful but as we're 9/12 for this season I'm going to finish it
And no this show doesn't get points for it's awful writing, it's a mess that no matter how you try to justify it requires too many leaps of logic and blows to the head to think it's anything but tripe. Nothing you've said has shown me why this writing isn't awful, it doesn't matter how much the scenes are contextualized if they're based upon bad writing and awful plot points.
Ep 9
That was an interesting episode, I guess. I still don't give two shits about Marito or Humeray's imōtō, and I don't give a phaaaack about Rayet's feelings either. She's a malignant cunt that needs to die. Though props to her if she actually killed Asseylum.
Saazbaum is interesting in his own right. Would have liked more focus on him and Slaine this episode, but eh.
Inaho is still a massive dickhead and this "comedic" harem building around him is shit.
That was an interesting episode, I guess. I still don't give two shits about Marito or Humeray's imōtō, and I don't give a phaaaack about Rayet's feelings either. She's a malignant cunt that needs to die. Though props to her if she actually killed Asseylum.
Saazbaum is interesting in his own right. Would have liked more focus on him and Slaine this episode, but eh.
Inaho is still a massive dickhead and this "comedic" harem building around him is shit.
You're not making a coherent argument right now and you're just stomping your feet. Argue why you think any of my points are wrong instead of just saying it's awful.
As much I want them to keep her dead, I really don't expect it. Unless the writer is Urobuchi or Okouchi, chances are the character is still alive.
BassForever
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The series went out of it's way to establish the captain believes the report that Marito gave right before the crew is attacked by the flying arm robot, and that she still hates him because he "murdered her brother" despite the fact he was burning alive.
Rayet entire character was "I hate martians" cause they killed her parents... the same ones that planned to assassinate the princess in the first place which was the spark for this whole war... when she and her parents originally planned to kill the princess so that they could be accepted as true martians and taken home... and when they were obviously betrayed she decides she hates Martians which is fair... except the princess acts nothing like the martians she hates... heck if she hadn't tried to kill her in the first place none of this would have happened.
She then CONVENIENTLY gets placed into a super hard simulation against the same mech that killed her parents which causes her to freak out and attempt/kill the martian that had she and her family not tried to kill in the first place none of this would have happened. Heck helping the good guys and the princess stop the war and kill the ones who planed the assassination and betrayed her is a far more logical conclusion then snapping like she did.
So no she does not get a pass for trying to kill the princess, there are like 10 different ways her character arc could have been better then this.
Rayet entire character was "I hate martians" cause they killed her parents... the same ones that planned to assassinate the princess in the first place which was the spark for this whole war... when she and her parents originally planned to kill the princess so that they could be accepted as true martians and taken home... and when they were obviously betrayed she decides she hates Martians which is fair... except the princess acts nothing like the martians she hates... heck if she hadn't tried to kill her in the first place none of this would have happened.
She then CONVENIENTLY gets placed into a super hard simulation against the same mech that killed her parents which causes her to freak out and attempt/kill the martian that had she and her family not tried to kill in the first place none of this would have happened. Heck helping the good guys and the princess stop the war and kill the ones who planed the assassination and betrayed her is a far more logical conclusion then snapping like she did.
So no she does not get a pass for trying to kill the princess, there are like 10 different ways her character arc could have been better then this.
darkside31337
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Irrelevant to the fact he put the bullet into his skull. He killed him. She would rather he have had the dignity to die to the enemies or you know actually tried to be saved, his brother didn't want that but why does that matter to her? It doesn't. She is right to hold a grudge against him.
She wants to kill all Martians. Guess who is one of the main notable ones there are? The one whose family is responsible for the way things are run on Mars. The same system that had her family and others living in exile. The same system that ended up leading to the death of her father.
Whether or not the princess is a good person is irrelevant to the fact that shes probably the 2nd most notable Martian around and is of the lineage that is responsible for the death of her father as far as shes concerned.
She doesn't give a shit how this effects the rest of the crew or the rest of planet Earth. Its a really simple motive but there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. Its in the same boat as the main "villain" of the series, hes just out to get his revenge for perceived slights committed against him in the past. No diabolical scheme to rule both Earth and Mars, he just wants them to fucking burn.
Why would Inaho's sister know this? To her it was one of their latest battles and is one worth simulating because the same kind of thing can easily happen again in the near future.
And yeah why should she give a shit about stopping the war or helping out the princess? She doesn't need a pass for her actions, in the context of whats presented in the show they are more than logical. Characters in anime acting irrational is such a pleasant change, it mimics how people behave in real life. People don't live by optimal decision making or a fucking flow chart to determine what kind of actions are just or correct.
Some of you guys have really strong feeling about this show. It's not exactly a thought provoking series or anything but it's not pandering garbage like SAO either. It's like a summer blockbuster movie, I actually wish there were more anime like it. It's dumb like those kind of movies and manages to be fun and not to be complete nonsense. I don't think that's an easy balance to have, it has been fairly successful in my opinion.
Now there were some dud episodes, some of the explanations are not convincing but I could say good deal of planning went into all aspects of the show, it might not show but it's there, the show isn't random just that the execution isn't great, the order in which plot points are revealed just makes it look worse than it actually is and too dumb. Every week we came up with a list of issues, just read this thread, every next week they come and address almost all things. I'm actually surprised by the consistency of this happening. It's rather unusual lol.
Now there were some dud episodes, some of the explanations are not convincing but I could say good deal of planning went into all aspects of the show, it might not show but it's there, the show isn't random just that the execution isn't great, the order in which plot points are revealed just makes it look worse than it actually is and too dumb. Every week we came up with a list of issues, just read this thread, every next week they come and address almost all things. I'm actually surprised by the consistency of this happening. It's rather unusual lol.
tensuke
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Pretty sure you mean 9/24, so there's quite a bit to go.
As I said, she blames Marito for her brother's death because deep down she wants to believe he could have been saved instead. She may not have all the information, even so, there's bound to be some denial in there. This is a perfectly normal reaction for a human being to have about losing a loved one.
Rayet is a teenaged girl who no doubt has been raised to support martians and hate terrans by her parents/father. So when she can finally leave the place she's taught to hate after fulfilling the wishes of the people she was taught to support, her father is killed by martians which gives her an inner conflict. Yes, Asseylum was nice and not like the evil martians, but she's a bit jealous that Asseylum outed herself as a martian (the princess who was the catalyst for Rayet's father's death no less) and isn't being hated. She's jealous that Asseylum is strong enough to carry on as a martian without fear of being an outcast, as Rayet probably was while she grew up. Not to mention, she's only a teenaged girl and she has conflicted emotions towards martians altogether. So it doesn't really come as a surprise that she harbors ill wishes towards Asseylum and that she did what she did. She may even believe that it is her duty to finish what her father died for (killing the princess) and maybe somehow this will make her more complete. Again, this is all perfectly in line with how you'd expect her to react.
Her VR training may have been somewhat coincidental, but that was the first Martian Kataphrakt they fought and so it makes sense that they'd have more data on that one in terms of being able to simulate it. So when Rayet is acing the normal missions, one way to toughen them up is to add in a Martian Kataphrakt that's tougher than your average mech. And they just went with either the first one or the one they had the most progress towards simulating (of course, the doctor whipped up a scenario for Marito pretty quick, so no telling what kind of sim technology they have access to).
I noticed this too, it seems that whenever an issue arises the show actually addresses it within an episode or two. Especially when they mentioned Inaho's emotionless expressions, I chuckled.
I strongly agree with this statement, especially whenever someone comes up with a "better" or "smarter" way to resolve a situation...that, unfortunately, completely or mostly ignores the mental state and emotional issues of the characters at the time. As the saying goes, sometimes common sense is the least common of all senses, in both fiction and reality.
That said, there are definitely better or worse ways to approach such scenarios, but on a conceptual level not every behavior that seems irrational or even stupid is inherently senseless.
I'm not commenting on this specific episode, mind you, since I haven't seen it yet.
Just a little further and we'll reach Valvrave levels.
darkblade77
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I think the only major sins this show has committed are Inaho's hyper-competence(plus comparatively everyone else being less competent to support this), and the Aldnoah mechs being over-technology yet somehow designed by a Super Robot nut(which by itself is kind of awesome).
This has comparatively been the best episode of this show because Inaho doesn't play a major role in it, multiple previously-opaque(or flat) characters saw some development/exploration, the teasing over Marito's shtick is essentially over, and we can finally look at the Vers faction as being something besides moustache-twirling war-mongerers.
I wouldn't call the writing awful, just average. Comparing it to SAO is pretty silly.
This has comparatively been the best episode of this show because Inaho doesn't play a major role in it, multiple previously-opaque(or flat) characters saw some development/exploration, the teasing over Marito's shtick is essentially over, and we can finally look at the Vers faction as being something besides moustache-twirling war-mongerers.
I wouldn't call the writing awful, just average. Comparing it to SAO is pretty silly.
Really has nothing to do with the show despite all the jokes. He's sort of disowned it.
http://nekoshiritori.wordpress.com/2014/08/25/interview-with-gen-urobuchi/
He wrote the first three episodes, everything after that has been by Katsuhiko Takayama. It's really Takayama's show.
Didn't know that. Did this happen with Gargantia too?
Do we really need to get into exact specifics over how much or how little Urobuchi has contributed to this series? It's plain as the eye can see that his style of writing (i.e. suffering) is all over this show. It doesn't matter if it's even 10% Urobutcher Juice, you're still getting that fresh-squeezed taste of despair.
This also feels way more like an Urobuchi series than Gargantia.
This also feels way more like an Urobuchi series than Gargantia.
BeatResetsTheWorld
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I'm on episode 5 and I'm having a hard time deciding whether to continue. I DESPISE the main character with a strong passion. Everything from his lack of emotion in ANY situation (this is not how you show a super logical character) to his McGuyver-esque solutions to everything annoy me. Not to mention the gross incompetency of every other characters, especially the adults.
Hopefully they don't go as far as Guilty Crown's incredibly stupid "Only people 17 and under can get powers" reasoning to justify kids saving the day
Hopefully they don't go as far as Guilty Crown's incredibly stupid "Only people 17 and under can get powers" reasoning to justify kids saving the day
This thread has had by far the most scathing criticism of this series over any other place I've seen in the internet. Even 4chan has been more positive about it.
This isn't to say the criticisms aren't warranted, but it's also going into ridiculous extremes when we have yet to get the whole picture about anything.
Especially Inaho. They're making it very clear that there's a lot more to him than what the audience or the other characters are perceiving.
This isn't to say the criticisms aren't warranted, but it's also going into ridiculous extremes when we have yet to get the whole picture about anything.
Especially Inaho. They're making it very clear that there's a lot more to him than what the audience or the other characters are perceiving.
Lost it at the last panel.
The irony there is that Urobuchi is formally credited with handling the series composition of Gargantia, even if he didn't write more than two episodes directly, while in the case of Aldnoah Zero he is simply listed as the original creator who wrote three episodes and has no series composition responsibilities at all. I'd say the structure of the show, as it currently stands, should technically owe less to him than Gargantia's ever did.
I would also counter by arguing that Takayama isn't a newcomer to suffering. He wrote Ga-Rei Zero after all, so this sort of material isn't unique to Urobuchi.
Damn it, I was about to post this.
victreeb3l
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People really like to voice their dislike. There have been so many awful shows, even a whole bunch this season, that doesnt get anywhere as much as hate as AZ. Its not perfect but its entertaining.
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SliceSabre
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Rayet did nothing wrong. In fact her standing with me in the story has already improved. Why? Because unlike most characters like her in anime she actually fucking did something for once instead of simply being broken and jealous. I already liked her in teh first place but this just seals the deal.
Rayet did nothing wrong. In fact her standing with me in the story has already improved. Why? Because unlike most characters like her in anime she actually fucking did something for once instead of simply being broken and jealous. I already liked her in teh first place but this just seals the deal.
Plus you gotten be some kind of person to strangle someone whiel you're both naked in the showers.
I have no doubt however that the Princess is actually alive in some way, shape or form. and will return at some point because space magic. But at least her 'death' will rid us of the possible harem antics this episode was starting.
Let's hope these "hints" become something more substantial in the remaining 3 episodes of the anime.
darkblade77
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They really, really didn't set up the whole
thing very well 
and in not doing so, it felt kind of
If the next episode doesn't start with
He's such a master strategist that he
They really, really didn't set up the whole
she might go nuts and choke her to death
and in not doing so, it felt kind of
cheap and shocking for the sake of being shocking.
If the next episode doesn't start with
the ol' she's-not-dead-yet-she's-on-a-ventilator thing, and it's just them wandering around with no Aldnoah doing...whatever, I don't even know what this show is anymore. Maybe the little girl will turn out to be her sister or something and they'll put her in the dress and make her run the magical ship.
He's such a master strategist that he
left a small child to guard the ships only source of power and the only thing that could possibly stop the alien invasion.
Cloud Strife
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HIME-SAMAAAAAAAAA
killer rin
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Keeping her alive is pretty easily explained using just simple logic. Rayet used a necklace to choke out the princess, a necklace which she immediately let go of once the princess lost consciousness. The main reason choking causes death is because they end up severing the spinal cord, but a necklace isn't going to do that. Right now the princess is either unconscious, now breathing because the necklace was let go, or worst case scenario, her heart stopped which gives her 6 minutes before brain damage kicks in. More than enough time for someone to realize something happened to the princess (already happened since the damned ship fell out of the sky), Eddelrittuo to run to the shower with Inaho following her and Inaho (or really any character) performing CRP while the doctor is called to help.
Of course, that's only if they want to follow along what should happen. If they really want her dead, they will ignore almost all of that.
I personally think they'll keep her alive, mainly because they put a big focus on the Princess seeing and knowing it was Rayet choking her. They wouldn't have done that unless It was going to come up later as a conflict item between Rayet vs everyone after the princess tells.
...oh god this is how they're going to make Inaho "kiss" her so that they can parallel Slaine's first encounter with her aren't they?!
I understand it would be reasonable that Hime would still be alive but I really want to see the story progress if she gets killed. So what do the main characters do now? How do they get to Russian Command and where does the story progress from there? How does Slaine react?
It has a ton of really juicy story implications. That said again I doubt they'll kill her off.
victreeb3l
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Yeah, I'm sorta warming up to Rayet after all this. Shes honestly a victim, was probably raised with extremist views and only starting to understand the consequences of her actions. Add the PTSD, her guilt and loneliness as well as jealously, she was bound to snap like that. Didnt expect her to have a thing for Inaho though.
Even when Slaine isn't getting shat on, he's still getting shat on.
Episode 9
That was a pretty dumb character-centric episode. They had a few different things going on in the episode - Rayet's unhappiness, Slaine's "rescue", and the PTSD treatment. The sad thing about the writing on this show is that none of it really exists for actual character development or natural narrative progress. Instead everything feels designs to exist only to feed the audience pieces of information which were deliberately being withheld for dramatic purposes. There were any number of flashbacks they could have used to show what really happened to Humery. Instead they dragged it out and in the end it's nothing shocking or surprising.
The debt Saazbaum feels he owes Slaine's father is another example of how they withheld information to make character decisions look more random or stupid, only to reveal it in the most matter of fact way which makes the characters look even more artificial and stupid. The narrative logic is all over the place and does nothing to build characters effectively. Instead when they need something "dramatic" to happen, they just force it into the script - the final scene in the episode is exactly that. It's forced, and instead of being shocking it comes off as stupid.
That was a pretty dumb character-centric episode. They had a few different things going on in the episode - Rayet's unhappiness, Slaine's "rescue", and the PTSD treatment. The sad thing about the writing on this show is that none of it really exists for actual character development or natural narrative progress. Instead everything feels designs to exist only to feed the audience pieces of information which were deliberately being withheld for dramatic purposes. There were any number of flashbacks they could have used to show what really happened to Humery. Instead they dragged it out and in the end it's nothing shocking or surprising.
The debt Saazbaum feels he owes Slaine's father is another example of how they withheld information to make character decisions look more random or stupid, only to reveal it in the most matter of fact way which makes the characters look even more artificial and stupid. The narrative logic is all over the place and does nothing to build characters effectively. Instead when they need something "dramatic" to happen, they just force it into the script - the final scene in the episode is exactly that. It's forced, and instead of being shocking it comes off as stupid.
The Saazbaum stuff in regards to Slaine's father has been long hinted at(in that Slaine's dad probably kicked off everything), so that's a really natural extension of what we know.
Also almost the entire episode was building up to the ending. Both thematically and in relation to how the character's are actually feeling.
BassForever
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She was part of a group that was attempting to start a war by assassinating the princess of an entire planet, no she is not a victim she is an equal part of the conspiracy.
That was pretty much my take.
I guess they were left on Earth after Heaven's Fall, and that was their one chance of going home? I don't know. She's definitely not really deserving of any sympathy in the midst of everything going to hell because of her.
I'm with you. She kicked all this shit off. The captain failed everyone by leaving the princess alone. The princess is alive hopefully and Rayet gets the military treatment.
"Should I tell you why you can't get a boyfriend? You're dead"
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