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Aliens and UFOs
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StormCell
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Welcome to the thread, L LisaMariaMartin
I understand that there are a lot of posts with a lot of links, pictures, and videos. It's a lot to cover. However, you aren't presenting any ideas we haven't already debated, and what us intelligence and former naval officers are telling us is that roughly 10% of these objects are unexplained, which means they aren't ours, China's, or Russia's (or anyone else's for that matter). So now what?
StormCell
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Mystery resolved. Amazon has come forward and revealed that the objects that the Navy has been encountering are just fulfillment drone experiments. New Prime delivery will have your package to you in 15 minutes or less!
LisaMariaMartin
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Thank you
They are lying. The Pentagon only ever confirms authenticity of videos. The videos are real. The devices are military drone prototypes. Thats why they mostly fly around at military bases and not in Paris or Los Angeles.
Turkey has shown that advanced drones are the future of warfare when Azerbaijan decimated Armenia with their new technology. You think DARPA isn't experimenting with drones?
‘Like horse-mounted cavalry against tanks’: Turkey has perfected new, deadly way to wage war, using militarized ‘drone swarms’
From Syria to Libya to Nagorno-Karabakh, this new method of military offense has been brutally effective. We are witnessing a revolution in the history of warfare, one that is causing panic, particularly in Europe.
UK wants new drones in wake of Azerbaijan military success
MoD wants to procure cheaper armed drones for UK as it studies lessons from recent conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh
www.theguardian.com
The russian air defense systems were completely useless against them.
Every country on this planet will start experiment with drones so its only logical that videos like that will pop up everywhere.
StormCell
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Thank you
They are lying. The Pentagon only ever confirms authenticity of videos. The videos are real. The devices are military drone prototypes. Thats why they mostly fly around at military bases and not in Paris or Los Angeles.
Turkey has shown that advanced drones are the future of warfare when Azerbaijan decimated Armenia with their new technology. You think DARPA isn't experimenting with drones?
‘Like horse-mounted cavalry against tanks’: Turkey has perfected new, deadly way to wage war, using militarized ‘drone swarms’
From Syria to Libya to Nagorno-Karabakh, this new method of military offense has been brutally effective. We are witnessing a revolution in the history of warfare, one that is causing panic, particularly in Europe.www.rt.com
UK wants new drones in wake of Azerbaijan military success
MoD wants to procure cheaper armed drones for UK as it studies lessons from recent conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh
The russian air defense systems were completely useless against them.
Every country on this planet will start experiment with drones so its only logical that videos like that will pop up everywhere.
What are your thoughts on the USS Nimitz incident? And in your opinion, what do you suppose the top speed of these drones would be?
Note: I don't disagree with you, because I do think they are unmanned craft. I'm just not convinced of whose they are.
INC
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Thank you
They are lying. The Pentagon only ever confirms authenticity of videos. The videos are real. The devices are military drone prototypes. Thats why they mostly fly around at military bases and not in Paris or Los Angeles.
Turkey has shown that advanced drones are the future of warfare when Azerbaijan decimated Armenia with their new technology. You think DARPA isn't experimenting with drones?
‘Like horse-mounted cavalry against tanks’: Turkey has perfected new, deadly way to wage war, using militarized ‘drone swarms’
From Syria to Libya to Nagorno-Karabakh, this new method of military offense has been brutally effective. We are witnessing a revolution in the history of warfare, one that is causing panic, particularly in Europe.
UK wants new drones in wake of Azerbaijan military success
MoD wants to procure cheaper armed drones for UK as it studies lessons from recent conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh
The russian air defense systems were completely useless against them.
Every country on this planet will start experiment with drones so its only logical that videos like that will pop up everywhere.
What about achieving instant acceleration, and the materials its made of, not completely disintegrating due to the amount of G being pulled
This material would be decades old by now too. We don't see anything like that in metallurgy, the only thing that's even close is nano tubes, and thats still science fiction as far as I'm aware.
Also if the accounts and videos are real, that would mean these dones are also transmedium
So thats performance surpassing anything known by militaries across the world, materials that no one else knows about, and transmedium
Theyre some awesome drones who ever owns them
I'm all for it being ours, but if theyre ours, then thats a lot military out the loop, why make it declassified if its ours?
If its a foreign drone, again why are they showing the world, that America no longer has military power, and is completely outgunned? Wouldn't that be classified? Thats national security right their.
All very odd
LisaMariaMartin
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I don't know. I agree the drones used today in military can't reach those speeds, not even close, so I concede that point but I still think they have US military origins. The answers from the pentagon are hilariously dodgy. They simply say, "Yes, those are videos. Yes, they are real. Yes, we took them. Thanks. Bye".
The tic tac video is definitely a weird one, I am not an aerospace engineer but I have a degree in electrical engineering. Its moving way faster than conventional drones and it seems incredibly nimble I think thats the biggest hint that its an unmanned aircraft but we have to consider that the government has technology that is at least 30 years ahead of the public. It's not out of the realm of possibility that it was a secret military experiment.
Then again, it makes the f35 look like a childrens plaything and its the pinnacle of air fighter technology today so what do I know.
Also, if it was a secret experiement, it means that the US kept this secret for all these years without using them in their own military which seems.... unlikely.
I apologize if I came off as dismissive or patronizing in my initial post. Wasn't my intent.
SirKicksalot
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My new favourite theory, nomadic aliens using time dilation at 52:14 here:
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INC
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StormCell
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At first, I did feel like you were patronizing, but I had a feeling that once you dug in and watched some of the more compelling videos you would do much like I did and look at it rationally. I'm still not confident in my conclusions from that video (so many questions) and yet we have 2 of the 4 pilots on 60 minutes now telling their sides of the story.
I'm a software engineer, by the way. I feel like we're academic cousins!
The way I look at this is as such: if the US has UAV that can move at tens of thousands of miles per hour, China is going to have a really bad day when/if they decide to move on Taiwan. They will move to establish a naval blockade and in a matter of minutes hundreds to maybe even a thousand US aircraft will leave the US west coast and arrive in the China sea minutes later. lol
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Airola
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I don't quite get what other governments commenting on these things appearing on their grounds has anything to do with them possibly being things made by some other country.
I mean, if they've been able to make these super fast and weird prototypes it wouldn't be wise for the country to admit they are their own. One of the reasons is what I've said earlier. They don't want others to know they are capable on doing stuff like that.
But there's another HUGE reason why they shouldn't admit it's their stuff. IF what's been seen in the US is their own stuff, then quite possibly what has seen in Russia and anywhere else is US stuff too. Now, if they admit that the UFOs seen in the US come from them, they would be admitting that they have been breaching the air space of foreign countries.
Until this tech can be made foolproof, it's not in any country's interest to let anyone know it's theirs. Not only would other countries start to do everything they can to build the same tech, but they would also then know the US has been flying stuff even near other countries' military bases and that's something to start wars over.
StormCell
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How long does it take to make it fool proof? How long does a country sit on technology like this before incorporating it into their military? If it isn't fool proof, then why violate other countries' airspaces with it when that seems like a good way to lose it if it crashes?
Romulus
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I don't either, I'm just getting on about it. I do think it's funny that it might be another country and the US military budget is more than the top what, 5 countries combined? That's hilariously bad if the US allowed another county to smoke them technologically with not even a fraction in budget.
And flying a super advanced prototype tech near a US coastline is super risky near US military forces, makes no sense because it could crash and be reverse-engineered. And they do it every day for years? I don't buy that at all, like it was said, they would want to keep this an absolute secret.
The reverse is also true in Russia etc, why is the US testing stuff way over there when they usually do it in nevada
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Airola
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I don't know. Could be it will never be something that can be shown to the world as something of your doing. Could be it's good for spying stuff already so that's what they would use them to.
The same danger is in any attack anywhere already. Have your spy get caught and you risk him spilling secrets to them. Have your current air fighter crash on foreign ground and you'll risk secret stuff spreading to the enemy government. Yet they still do all of that. This is not too different in that sense. But this time there is the upper hand to at least make people think it's not your stuff as these crafts can go "too" fast and even go hiding underwater and you have the narrative of possible space aliens being taken seriously now. It's basically way more efficient and powerful technology than the usual stuff that's being used. Before they can be used in regular warfare as technology everyone will then know about, it will be used more in super secret espionage all the while still honing the stuff better and better. Once they'll be used in warfare, everyone will know it's your stuff and your cover for espionage outside of warfare is ruined.
I mean, obviously that might not be the case, but it's still more likely and plausible scenario than space aliens. Now that said, if it is technology made by the US and part of cover up for that is to have as many people as possible to consider the possibility of the technology being extraterrestrial, and if it would be better for the world to not let others know its theirs, then obviously offering my point of view could be bad.
INC
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For 60+ years? Thats a long time to not use this tech in warfare, or have anything remotely close in the standard military, not speeds close to 13000mph, not next gen materials (other than stealth), no transmedium, none.........thats odd considering these have been reported for that amount time, and yet heres a craft/drone, with all 3 at the same time..........
I just find that odd, you woud think we'd have at least 1 out of the 3, and we would be close, or in our military arsenal by now in some form. But theyre not
Thats the big thing, its not just 1 step of "oh theyre really fast wow"....its all the shit that goes with that, especially materials.
So again if they are drones, then there's some massive leaps in technology, materials and physics
Thats a pretty big deal to be flying around military vehicles and perhaps lose or crash, dont you think?
Airola
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Could also be that the whole thing is part of some technology that makes it incredibly cheap to make things like that. So then one reason to not admit its theirs would be that they don't want people to know there is this technology that can be used as it would perhaps destroy the power banks have. Or whatever else.
What comes to the danger of flying them near US coastline, wasn't one hypothesis about them that they can't be shot? Maybe they first had only rare occasions where they used them in foreign countries and as they over and over again learned that A) they haven't caught them, B) they haven't been crashed much at all, and C) people still don't know where they are from, they have then been able to up the amount of them being used. And they could've been used it for espionage instead of only test flights. I mean, if you can fly first one in, say, month and not get caught, and then two in month and not get caught, and then one every week and not get caught and this would happen for years and years, wouldn't you then eventually be more bold to fly them even daily.
Romulus
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I just can't imagine a technology that can't be crashed or have a mishap. Look at the ridiculously long fighter jet programs and all the accidents over the years. It could be governments flying these objects within their own borders maybe. That would make sense to me, but what doesn't add up is how far back these similar stories go. WW2 objects were seen as invulnerable to gunfight from tail gunners and nose guns of fighters and can basically zip off in an instant.
But then that begs the question, if someone had that super advanced tech back then, why was the war such a long grueling struggle? What group of psychopaths would just cruise around watching the world war unfold when they could end it?
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Airola
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Depends on the confidence in that technology and how easy it is to fly them. If it is the US government that is responsible for them, then obviously they've been able to fly them without crashing them too much and have been able to not get caught for decades. So there must be quite a big confidence in them what comes to the dangers of crashing them or someone figuring out it's theirs. And it wouldn't be that surprising they've been able to fly these things daily then either.
Maybe all of their features are something that can't really be given for anyone to know how to do that. I mean, once they figure out you actually can build something that goes 13000mph, that alone would cause other countries to use their espionage to try and grab it from them. So if you use those features in any other technology, it could be extremely dangerous too if wrong people get their hands on that. But at the same time you'd want to build something out of that to your advantage. So in the end it would make sense to avoid making things that a regular person could use or things that would be lost in a war, and instead only use it in secret espionage stuff.
Once you let others know you now have material that absorbs bullets, what do you think other countries would think of that? Or if they know you can build a thing that goes 13000mph? It doesn't matter what that thing is. It would make sense to build something that is kept hidden most of the time and when it's moving it can escape amazingly fast, and which looks like something that no-one has an idea where it is from.
Maybe they are trying to avoid another nuke building race with all this secrecy, but are still using it to their advantage as much as they possibly can and dare.
For me the plausibility order of their origins is this:
1) US government and they are lying about not knowing what they are
2) Foreign government and they are lying about not knowing what they are
3) Many foreign and domestic governments, and all are lying about not knowing what they are
4) A "shadow government" like Illuminati or some shit like that doing some New World Order thing or whatever wherever
5) Another civilization from perhaps tens of thousands of years ago that doesn't exist anymore but the technology has been kept safe and is now used
6) Another civilization from perhaps tens of thousands of years ago that still exists in one way or form
7) Another civilization from perhaps tens of thousands of years ago that doesn't exist anymore but they managed to create these machines that move around automatically and are incredibly durable for whatever purpose but as the civilization is gone, the machines have just continued to do their thing forever
8) Interdimensional spirit beings
9) Space aliens
10) Humans from future
Humans from future is the only one I don't really believe in at all as I don't believe future and past exists. But I'm interested in entertaining that possibility too.
The reason why interdimensional spirit beings is higher than space aliens is that weird stuff like sleep paralysis entities could hint to that direction and there wouldn't be any problem with physical distances or anything else like that, whereas the regular space alien theory is too physical to be that likely to happen. I mean, it took quite a lot of accidents for us to first exist and then becoming able to build complex stuff and then to understand we live in a planet and then to want to try to fly away from this planet and then to end up doing that. So there would need to be another set of big accidents and it would have to happen in a time frame where we exist and then they would need to be able to find our tiny little spot in the universe. But with spirit beings none of that would be a problem because they are able to visit us even in our dreams or half-dreams or whatever that mind-travel is all about.
Now, maybe some space alien / interdimensional spirit hybrid thing could be another thing.
I'm really interested in hearing other theories than those too, so if you or anyone else got any ideas I'd be more than glad to read them.
And if any of you are interested in making your own list of the order of plausibility, I'd be interested in seeing that too.
And obviously for the MAXIMUM EXCITEMENT all of the above could be true!
Airola
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Yeah, I think that whatever those are, they aren't controlled by anyone inside them (unless it's some spirit shit).
What comes to the last questions, maybe ending the war with some super technology like that would've been even worse than ending the war with a couple of nukes. It would be like, "ok so you got that, Imma make that too" and maybe it would be cold war times thousand.
Or maybe they come from some Illuminati kind of shit and only very few from the US government or any other government would know what they are. In that case maybe it would actually be a case of actual psychopaths doing their thing
Anyways, whatever those are and whatever that technology is, it really seems to be something that in any case would be really dangerous in wrong hands. Imagine some Isis folks learning how to do some bullet absorbing hyper fast thing. Imagine anyone thinking "wow, this can't be destroyed with gunfire and we can fly this to the US or anywhere else super fast so how about putting some hyper deadly disease into the craft, fly it somewhere, drop it down, fly back again", hey maybe I just figured out the origins of covid19!
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Great Hair
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Romulus
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Yeah, I think that whatever those are, they aren't controlled by anyone inside them (unless it's some spirit shit).
What comes to the last questions, maybe ending the war with some super technology like that would've been even worse than ending the war with a couple of nukes. It would be like, "ok so you got that, Imma make that too" and maybe it would be cold war times thousand.
Or maybe they come from some Illuminati kind of shit and only very few from the US government or any other government would know what they are. In that case maybe it would actually be a case of actual psychopaths doing their thing
Anyways, whatever those are and whatever that technology is, it really seems to be something that in any case would be really dangerous in wrong hands. Imagine some Isis folks learning how to do some bullet absorbing hyper fast thing. Imagine anyone thinking "wow, this can't be destroyed with gunfire and we can fly this to the US or anywhere else super fast so how about putting some hyper deadly disease into the craft, fly it somewhere, drop it down, fly back again", hey maybe I just figured out the origins of covid19!
It also boggles my mind that if this stuff was flying around in the 1940s, that means it was in development probably way earlier. But then I think about the SR71 being the most secretive black project ever and it pales in comparison to this, years later.
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Romulus
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Mick West is a joke. He dodges facts because he has trouble dealing with the unknown. He called the recent navy video a ballon until people started making fun of him. His example in the second vid is a false equivalence, it's not even remotely the same. "Some guys on a forum said" vs "a fighter pilot" said, very different.
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Airola
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I thought the second video was a very good video that showed an example of how the same kind of footage can be done with zoom, focus and camera movement. He showed it is possible to get the same shaped object by having certain focus and zoom on a video camera. And he showed it is possible to make the object look like its making wild movements by very simple camera movements. The point of the video is to show that for that UFO video there is a lot more plausible explanation than space aliens or even secret government stuff. I mean, if it is possible to make a plane look like a wingless tictac with manipulating the camera's zoom and focus, and if it's possible to make it look like the object is moving erratically by just moving the camera a bit, then the original footage is extremely likely footage of a plane instead of a spacecraft.
To me, that video and the video that shows how it's easy to make a fake UFO videos by simply putting buttons on a transparent plastic or glass and moving it around are really good examples of how easy it is both create erratic movement and to make the mistake of thinking it's the object that is moving like that instead of it being an illusion of the object moving like that.
Romulus
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I'm not saying his debunk for the video he chose is bad. I think even in your post here you're seemingly questioning the tic tac video because of West's easy debunk. "Maybe all of them are fake?" Maybe you're not but when you have radar, sonar etc and seeing the object much closer from various angles, it just becomes a different animal and he avoids much of that conversation on purpose. I mean again, he called the newest video a ballon.
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Shodan09
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That's the problem though. This would only possibly explain the video. Not the fact that the object was picked up on radar and was witnessed by experts who have had millions pumped into their training to make sure they don't falsely identify anything when flying.
Mick West is so ingrained in his debunking to the point he actually "pre-debunked" a recent video before he had even seen it. Then when he tweeted about it he posted an edited clip that better fit his preconceived ideas.
If trained pilots and radar operators are saying they don't know what the object was, how can it be possible some guy on a forum, using only video footage and disregarding everything else is able to make the identification?
INC
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4 trained pilots, 1 a top gun trainer, all have no idea what they're talking about
But heres mike, he's worked it out
US military really need to fire all these pilots and just get mike involved
IDKFA
I am Become Bilbo Baggins
This.
The US government (and other nations) would have already looked at the possibility of drones or tech from a foreign power. From watching 60 Minutes and other government reports, these possibilities were thrown out. The tech on display is so far ahead of anything humanity.
Things are getting real now. Can't wait to see what's in this report in June.
INC
Member
I honestly Think this a great opportunity (if these are indeed UAP to all nations), too actually work together to work it out
I mean they're invade all their air space, why not work together to study it
I get thats a immature way of looking at it, since all nations would want that tech. But it would be the first time in a long time, the planet actually had a subject they could work together on
The only other one is global warming........and thats not exactly gone well lol
I cant see them releasing next to nothing and moving on, the cats out the bag now, so somethings gotta happen.
Even now attitudes are changing, mainly to military personal not being ridiculed for reporting these things, thats a big step alrrady, means the subject isn't a joke now, its a legit thing and should be reported
IDKFA
I am Become Bilbo Baggins
I agree with you
Although, it's actually funny you say that. I was checking out some comments on the 60 Minutes YouTube video and there were people who think this UAP stuff is a conspiracy.
Their theory is that they tell the world that these things are a threat or aliens as a why to unite the world and start a new world order.......
You couldn't make it up.
For years people have been saying the US government have been covering up UFOs and they need to come clean, but as soon as the US government does come clean, people turn it into yet another conspiracy theory
INC
Member
I agree with you
Although, it's actually funny you say that. I was checking out some comments on the 60 Minutes YouTube video and there were people who think this UAP stuff is a conspiracy.
Their theory is that they tell the world that these things are a threat or aliens as a why to unite the world and start a new world order.......
You couldn't make it up.
For years people have been saying the US government have been covering up UFOs and they need to come clean, but as soon as the US government does come clean, people turn it into yet another conspiracy theory
Well I can see why, look at project blue book, basically a cover up, even Hynek came out afterwards and said they made him say certain things to shhh the public, the incident in question was the swamp gas interview
He came out and said that was all rubbish, and there was 100% more to all of it.
But at that point they released the report and UFO sighting could be ignored, even into modern times
Its literally since the 2017 video, the whole paradigm has shifted
Even I'm skeptical all of this, and I've been into it most of my life, so I'm biased tbh, and even now with info coming out, I feel something is a little off. Because theyve obviously known for decade, yet here they preaching ignorance to the whole thing, i wouldn't say theyve come clean about any of it.........yet, most is still NDA
All of it doesn't add up at all.
But video and info is what I want, so I'll let it play out and go from there
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MMaRsu
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Having read most of Era's thread on the topic of the 60 minute broadcast, I still need to go through this thread.
BUt what if the pill boxes we are seeing that defy gravity and the laws of physics, are made by a long lost underwater civilization like Atlantis or such?
I mean, yes that's far fetched but also not THAT far fetched?
They were already very advanced, it could be that their civilization is still alive beneath our oceans. Probably a long shot but hey, why not.
BUt what if the pill boxes we are seeing that defy gravity and the laws of physics, are made by a long lost underwater civilization like Atlantis or such?
I mean, yes that's far fetched but also not THAT far fetched?
They were already very advanced, it could be that their civilization is still alive beneath our oceans. Probably a long shot but hey, why not.
StormCell
Member
We've conversed about this idea a few times in the thread. I think the consensus is that living on the ocean floor would make less sense for a lost civilization but would make great sense for an extra-terrestrial civlization that wanted a base somewhere very, very few humans are snooping about. It would also seem that the bottoms of deep lakes and land-locked seas are also hot beds of UAP activity.
We may even discover that there are parts of the inside of the Earth that are not just dense rock but large cavernous pockets that are habitable. At this point, really, anything is game. I consider the Earth's underground to be the 2nd most habitable place in the solar system.
Wheeljack539
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When it comes to ufology and Atlantis I've noticed that a lot of it points to Antarctica as to where it was once located. It had gone under, or so the stories say, due to the last pole shift (or from other tales, the last micro nova occurance/solar flash, which is supposedly the sun's periodical 'wet fart' if you will).
Hell, to add to this oddity there was the 1513 Piri Reis Map which shows a map of Antarctica land without the ice 300 years before it was officially discovered.
arkhamguy123
Member
Eh. Don't think we should hold the greatest discovery in human history back because of some nut jobs. You are right though that religious people would be in shambles. You'd hopefully see a considerable uptick in atheism and/or agnosticism.
arkhamguy123
Member
Well. Those civilizations on other continents are still men. And christians think god created man. So the myth is not contradicted. If aliens were confirmed, there is direct contradiction. As these would not be humans. But completely different beings far smarter than any human. From another planet. Further exposing the genesis myth as, well, just that.Again with this nonsense? I think the lot of you need to step into a few churches and get in touch with what religious people are actually thinking. As a very religious person, myself, who has attended churches from the west coast to the deep south, I feel I've got a pretty good read on the vibe. You could just ask me.
Concerning the idea that there are other planets with intelligent beings making it harder to believe in Christ, wouldn't the existence of whole other continents with civilizations suffice to make that harder? All you are doing is changing scale and throwing other planets into the mix.
I do agree that a confirmation of aliens existing would imply contact. The diction coming from some former high ranking intelligence people reads as though we have not been able to initiate contact. The way their statements read leaves open the possibility that these objects may not even be vehicles. I feel that may be an indicator of just how much they don't know (ie. we don't know if it's a craft or a space mannatee or a graphical glitch in the matrix).
arkhamguy123
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But then you hover in on the left one and see food, music, war, conflict, love, cinema, struggle, companionship, pets, jobs, etc.I know its the wrong tread, but imagine travelling all this way just to see this...
INC
Member
We've definitely forgotten a massive part of our history, and firmly believe that
Whether during that time we also lost technology......thats another thing
The idea is cool, but these lost civilization would of been lost for over 13000 years, I find it hard to believe we wouldn't know anything of them
But who knows, the concepts cool. All the history these craft and what not, have always said the same thing, ascended from heaven (the sky), if you buy that of course
To me theyre still exactly what they're being shown as UFO/UAP, of course I'm more biased towards the extraterrestrial theory, but thats because that's what I choose to believe, and makes the most sense from a technology PoV, and even as child I've always thought that, doesnt make that true tho lol. I'm open to all other theories and conclusions
Whether during that time we also lost technology......thats another thing
The idea is cool, but these lost civilization would of been lost for over 13000 years, I find it hard to believe we wouldn't know anything of them
But who knows, the concepts cool. All the history these craft and what not, have always said the same thing, ascended from heaven (the sky), if you buy that of course
To me theyre still exactly what they're being shown as UFO/UAP, of course I'm more biased towards the extraterrestrial theory, but thats because that's what I choose to believe, and makes the most sense from a technology PoV, and even as child I've always thought that, doesnt make that true tho lol. I'm open to all other theories and conclusions
arkhamguy123
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Angels and demons who fly in spacecrafts? Who appear in cave paintings before anyone even made up the concepts of angels and demons? I dunno that seems like a stretch to me personally. Life and civilization started here on earth. The galaxy is incomprehensibly large. Mathematically speaking, this event could likely occur on another planet as well. Some of these hypothetical other lifeforms could become advanced enough to come visit earth. Seems like the more logical train of thought.
Romulus
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I think it's far fetched to the typical human mindset of 'we're the best, no technology can top ours.'
But, I mean look at the mid 1800s to the late 1900s. 150 years to go from living similarly to early humans to landing on the moon, splitting the atom, cloning, etc.
How hard is it to imagine there was another 150-300 year period tucked away within a single civilization over tens of thousand of years that had a technological upswing too? But instead of rocket propulsion, their advancement path was focused on anti gravity. That single diversion alone would have alter their technological evolution. They wouldn't even need to be necessarily 'smarter' then us, just took a different path and over the course of decades, it made the difference.
So if they put most of their studies into gravity propulsion and had a series of breakthroughs, boom, they could leave the planet and there would be no evidence they ever left.
They could have literally left 10,000+ years ago for another planet and have their own civilization there.
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StormCell
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You seem like just an incredibly sensible poster for this discussion with no bias or animosity for things like religion. Can't wait to hear about all the things we're wrong about from you.
arkhamguy123
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Saying aliens who can do things we literally think are scientifically impossible would be much smart than humans + saying beings from other planets contradicts the story that god made man on earth with no mention of other creatures what so ever makes me biased and spiteful?
arkhamguy123
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Further more saying that the story of creation with the snake and the fruit and god making the universe in 7 days and adam and eve being a myth makes me hateful? I honestly fail to see how. I mean no offense to you StormCell we don't need to take it to snarky, snide, sarcastic forum talk. I'd love to discuss these concepts with you man.
infinitys_7th
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I'm not sure a parallel civilization would need to be tens of thousands or even thousands of years distinct from us to have the tech we see in these craft.
Imagine some group of powerful people developed a Babbage computer and decided to use it in secret in the 1800s. We know how quickly computer tech builds on itself, so if someone got a 150 year head start they could be much more advanced, especially if they hit singularity. There were a lot of sightings of airships in the mid-to-late 1800s, so those could have been that group's tech.
Imagine some group of powerful people developed a Babbage computer and decided to use it in secret in the 1800s. We know how quickly computer tech builds on itself, so if someone got a 150 year head start they could be much more advanced, especially if they hit singularity. There were a lot of sightings of airships in the mid-to-late 1800s, so those could have been that group's tech.
Romulus
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No but where I base that is ancient cultures from various nations talk about UFOs heavily and even great wars between shiny objects in the sky. This goes back thousands of years and the shapes of the craft in paintings is pretty similar, not to mention at least 3 ancient cultures have depicted humans wearing spacesuits, one of them was literally sitting inside some type of cockpit of a craft.
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INC
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Think we can all agree god hates dinosaurs, since he never mentions them. No does any other god mention them either......odd that.
Only reason I mentioned 13000 years, is because that's when another apparent cataclysmic event happened causing the younger dryas, hence stories of the great flood etc etc, thats a perfect time for a great reset, where everything learnt could of been lost, leaving only monuments behind, or megaliths as we call them now, and places like Atlantis could of existed, but now buried undersea.
Do I know this as a fact? Of course not, but its good theory, but its just that a theory, could explain a lot of stuff, its been said the sphinx is far older than first thought, who knows what else is lost....or how much has been suppressed
Or its all just drones, either works for me
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StormCell
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First of all, welcome to the thread A arkhamguy123 . Speaking of things that are large, this thread is pretty lengthy and dense with discussion on all these points. Please be sure to check out the links and videos in between shitting on anything that doesn't jive with your personal belief.
Second: who said these things are definitely space crafts? We don't know what they are. I mean, if you read the thread then it will become obvious what my thoughts are, but I would not dismiss some far-fetched possibilities. If you just examine the statements from the former head of US Intelligence, it's even possible that some of these objects are a type of life form that we have previously not noticed or been able to get a close enough look at--hence my crack about the space manatee. I don't seriously believe that it's a life form traveling through the sky at tens of thousands of miles per hour, but then you look at it and it looks like a blob or a boulder and then suddenly it expels a black substance into the air -- like what the hell even is this thing? Why would any attempt at explanation be too far fetched, right? If it wasn't there in the literal video from a pretty damn official source, you wouldn't believe it at all, would you?
Next: Oh they appear in cave paintings? You mean the ones with stick figures and half human half animal looking drawings any four year old could draw? I mean, what the heck is even half that stuff in the caves? Demons and angels are too mythical for you but you're prepared to say aliens visited pre-historic humans based on some stick figure cave art? GTFOH. lol Right?
Finally: Speaking of things that sound like a stretch, personally. Do you realize that the universe is so huge and the age of it is so massive, and we're also talking about the distances between stars, solar systems, and their planets, that while the existence of other technological civilizations seems certain, it also seems like a potential impossibility for them to occur in proximity with one another while also overlapping each other historically. It's quite possible that reality (space and time) are like a cosmic hash table where two technological civilizations living at roughly the same time colliding with one another (being in close enough proximity) might be probabilistic-ly very small. It just depends on how common complex life is, which I like to believe it's going to be pretty common (and no, that doesn't contradict my belief in Genesis or the Bible at all, AMA). Only problem is that we're looking at hundreds of stars and not hearing anything on any of the channels we're listening on. Are we that unique with our use of radio waves and similar? It doesn't rule anything out yet, but thus far it's not looking great unless we really can manage to cover these distances ala Star Trek.
arkhamguy123
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Almost like these gods were crafted by humans after the fact who didn't understand prehistoric times or science and filled the gaps with gods.
StormCell
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Yes, it does. You're rolling into an already happening discussion and declaring whole complex subjects like the Bible are entirely contradicted by something like the existence of aliens. People can't even align their understandings of the Bible, and yet you are apparently a full theologian on the thing. Just slow down a little bit. We can probably get along really well if you will just watch it on the dismissals of other ideas. The Bible doesn't mention dinosaurs either, and yet we've got a billion years of fossil evidence. The Bible also never says God create 1+ trillion heavily objects and only worked on one called earth. I've been reading the Bible most of my life while simultaneously looking to the heavens pondering what if... There's simply toooo much space out there full of awesome things. You and the rest of the stuffy shirts can believe the God of the bible only worked on this planet, but I'm pining for the whole damn "game world" suckerz!
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