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[Punished Miku]

But they just don't buy games, its not a troll take its just a fact. Not saying the game failing for its own merits isn't part of it, but theres absolute no reason for them to buy games when they were conditioned to "wait on Gamepass", it reflected on their consuming habits.

Honestly, wait for PS+ makes the most sense. Bigger games like this coming to GP usually are day 1 drops. It's a lot more rare to get older games hitting GP. It does happen, but rarely. I buy lots of games on Xbox. The amount of times I've bought a game and then later had it hit GP is single digits over several years. Like 4 or less.

 

[proandrad]

They should have put it on gamepass if they were going to wait this long to release it on Xbox.

 

[Coloress_Kafka]

It doesn't help that Final Fantasy fanbase is so divided and many trashed on this game because it didn't appeal to their vision of what Final Fantasy should be. But thankfully Rebirth also bombed so everyone across the board is catching Ls!

 

[Heisenberg007]

They launched at too high a price for a 2-year-old game.

Death stranding launched at a fantastic impulse buy worthy price, hence it stayed near the top of the paid app chart for over a month after it released.

Should have launched at 29.99 for the standard version and 50 bucks for the complete edition.

As GHG just posted with receipts, Death Stranding didn't appear in the top-selling Xbox games chart either.

Pricing has nothing to do with it. The fact is that Xbox gamers just don't buy games and want everything on Game Pass.

Stellar Blade just launched 1 year later on PC at full price and has already sold 1 million copies in just 3 days. Gamers who want to buy games buy them.

 

[Punished Miku]

As GHG just posted with receipts, Death Stranding didn't appear in the top-selling Xbox games chart either.

Pricing has nothing to do with it. The fact is that Xbox gamers just don't buy games and want everything on Game Pass.

Stellar Blade just launched 1 year later on PC at full price and has already sold 1 million copies in just 3 days. Gamers who want to buy games buy them.

How much did FFXVI sell on PC in 3 days?

 

[Roberts]

All things considered, this is not the worst number, I honestly expected less. Also, now all the galaxy brains here smugly joking stuff like: "all four people that will buy it on xbox" will have to boost that number to 22,000 and use it every time.

 

[adamsapple]

As GHG just posted with receipts, Death Stranding didn't appear in the top-selling Xbox games chart either.

Sales-Age  Thread 'Death Stranding Director’s Cut Is Currently 2nd Top-Paid Game On Xbox Store'

Nov 20, 2024

Death Stranding slowly became associated with the PlayStation platform over the five years since its release. However, the entry made a surprising debut on the Xbox Store when its exclusivity period had ended. Many thought the AAA title would likely fail to make it big on the Microsoft platform, but new results suggest otherwise.

Death Stranding Director's Cut is currently the second most top-paid game on the Xbox Store. The game has surpassed many other giants popular in the gaming industry at the moment, with only Call of Duty: Black Ops 6...

• RaidenJTr7
• Replies: 18
• Forum: Gaming Discussion

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[Darsxx82]

The 6 months after death stranding's release on xbox:

*Digital no included

Death Stranding sales wasnt in NPD as MLB. If you have a Xseries you can see the list of BEST seller games and DS was in top 3-5-10 some month.

 

[Heisenberg007]

How much did FFXVI sell on PC in 3 days?

A lot more than this for sure. Steamdb estimates put it between 500,000 and 1 million copies lifetime, which is reasonable.

Just the peak CCU (27,500+) was higher than this estimate of total Xbox sales (22,000).

 

[AmuroChan]

As GHG just posted with receipts, Death Stranding didn't appear in the top-selling Xbox games chart either.

Pricing has nothing to do with it. The fact is that Xbox gamers just don't buy games and want everything on Game Pass.

Stellar Blade just launched 1 year later on PC at full price and has already sold 1 million copies in just 3 days. Gamers who want to buy games buy them.

You can also look at how old XBox ports to PS5 like Forza Horizon 5 and Sea of Thieves have sold very well on PS5 at full price. SoT was a 6 year old game and FH5 a 4 year old game at the time of their PS5 release.

 

[Heisenberg007]

Sales-Age  Thread 'Death Stranding Director’s Cut Is Currently 2nd Top-Paid Game On Xbox Store'

Nov 20, 2024

Death Stranding slowly became associated with the PlayStation platform over the five years since its release. However, the entry made a surprising debut on the Xbox Store when its exclusivity period had ended. Many thought the AAA title would likely fail to make it big on the Microsoft platform, but new results suggest otherwise.

Death Stranding Director's Cut is currently the second most top-paid game on the Xbox Store. The game has surpassed many other giants popular in the gaming industry at the moment, with only Call of Duty: Black Ops 6...

• RaidenJTr7
• Replies: 18
• Forum: Gaming Discussion

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You do realize that this ia rolling chart where a lot of games appear temporarily and go away just as quickly, right?

Where did it appear on the NPD charts?

 

[GHG]

*Digital no included

Death Stranding sales wasnt in NPD as MLB. If you have a Xseries you can see the list of BEST seller games and DS was in top 3-5-10 some month.

You can't read huh?

 

[Viruz]

Why even bother releasing your game on a dead console?

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

*Digital no included

For specific titles

 

[DonkeyPunchJr]

It doesn't help that Final Fantasy fanbase is so divided and many trashed on this game because it didn't appeal to their vision of what Final Fantasy should be. But thankfully Rebirth also bombed so everyone across the board is catching Ls!

Personally I was totally onboard with the direction change. Mature GoT-inspired story, Yoshi P directing, the Capcom guy from DMC V directing the combat, the demo kicked ass. I was hyped.

I just thought the game sucked and was a total letdown. And I definitely wasn't the only one. Go look back at the original XVI OT, you can practically see the sentiment declining page by page.

 

[Griffon]

Even an indie studio would be put out of business with those numbers.
Xbox can't sell jrpgs, never could. Probably not even worth the cost of porting.

 

[Punished Miku]

A lot more than this for sure. Steamdb estimates put it between 500,000 and 1 million copies lifetime, which is reasonable.

Just the peak CCU (27,500+) was higher than this estimate of total Xbox sales (22,000).

I asked for 3 days, not lifetime.

 

[GHG]

Sales-Age  Thread 'Death Stranding Director’s Cut Is Currently 2nd Top-Paid Game On Xbox Store'

Nov 20, 2024

Death Stranding slowly became associated with the PlayStation platform over the five years since its release. However, the entry made a surprising debut on the Xbox Store when its exclusivity period had ended. Many thought the AAA title would likely fail to make it big on the Microsoft platform, but new results suggest otherwise.

Death Stranding Director's Cut is currently the second most top-paid game on the Xbox Store. The game has surpassed many other giants popular in the gaming industry at the moment, with only Call of Duty: Black Ops 6...

• RaidenJTr7
• Replies: 18
• Forum: Gaming Discussion

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And yet in all the official data it was nowhere to be seen on the charts.

 

[Darsxx82]

You can't read huh?

Absolutely, you're the one who doesn't want to understand...

There are games on NPD that aren't listed (MLB Xseries version, Expedition 33, and many others that you don't see on those NPD lists by decision of the game publisher but do on the XBOX Store list.

 

[roosnam1980]

cmon xbox gaf its a mainline FF for xbox...........................

 

[Gamer_By_Proxy]

PlayStation will never have to money hat their games again. Go ahead and waste money on a Xbox port if you want. Ha!

 

[Darsxx82]

For specific titles

Yes, and?.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Yes, and?.

Your point is irrelevent?

 

[adamsapple]

Where did it appear on the NPD charts?

And yet in all the official data it was nowhere to be seen on the charts.

Does 505 Games even report to Circana?

I can't seem to find any evidence of anything like NPD/Circana/Piscatelle ever reporting some of their notable hits like Bloodstained or either Ghostrunner.

The last report I can find with some casual googling is from 2014 for one of the really old Sniper Elite games.

 

[omegasc]

That's about 20k more than most people thought it would.

 

[Mr Moose]

Alinea Analytics

 

[Deerock71]

My Switch 2 eagerly awaits this title.

 

[Darsxx82]

Your point is irrelevent?

LOL, what??
OK, according to you, Expedition 33 ( as specific like DS y MLB) didn't sell anything because it doesn't appear on the NPD list, while it does appear on the game lists in the Stores...

 

[Kilau]

Sales-Age  Thread 'Death Stranding Director’s Cut Is Currently 2nd Top-Paid Game On Xbox Store'

Nov 20, 2024

Death Stranding slowly became associated with the PlayStation platform over the five years since its release. However, the entry made a surprising debut on the Xbox Store when its exclusivity period had ended. Many thought the AAA title would likely fail to make it big on the Microsoft platform, but new results suggest otherwise.

Death Stranding Director's Cut is currently the second most top-paid game on the Xbox Store. The game has surpassed many other giants popular in the gaming industry at the moment, with only Call of Duty: Black Ops 6...

• RaidenJTr7
• Replies: 18
• Forum: Gaming Discussion

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For $20, you bet I bought it again, 4th time.

More impressive, it had been on Game Pass (PC Standard).

 

[adamsapple]

For $20, you bet I bought it again, 4th time.

More impressive, it had been on Game Pass (PC Standard).

Yep, they nailed the launch price there.

XVI launched too high, considering VII Remake is even older, it better fuckin' launch lower, lol. But considering that 1/ It's square and 2/ they intend to launch it with the Switch 2 SKU, that one is also probably gonna be severely overpriced.

 

[IFireflyl]

I asked for 3 days, not lifetime.

The all-time peak was the week it released on Steam. We can't see day-by-day, but we can see the all-time peak by week.

Source: https://steamdb.info/app/2515020/charts/

EDIT: Just to confirm, this is players, not sales. I bought it the week it came out, but it took me a few weeks to get around to playing it. This means that the actual sales number must be higher than the all-time player count for that week.

 

[DenchDeckard]

Not these guys again. I thought Nib had moved on from warring too but doesnt look like it.

 

[GHG]

Absolutely, you're the one who doesn't want to understand...

There are games on NPD that aren't listed (MLB Xseries version, Expedition 33, and many others that you don't see on those NPD lists by decision of the game publisher but do on the XBOX Store list.

If they aren't listed (or of it's physical data only) then it's noted.

Does 505 Games even report to Circana?

I can't seem to find any evidence of anything like NPD/Circana/Piscatelle ever reporting some of their notable hits like Bloodstained or either Ghostrunner.

The last report I can find with some casual googling is from 2014 for one of the really old Sniper Elite games.

I wouldn't think that games like bloodstained and ghostrunner are big enough games to even chart. Bloodstained had 2 million lifetime sales as of the end of 2023, and ghost runner 2.5 million in a similar period.

 

[DragonNCM]

But they just don't buy games, its not a troll take its just a fact. Not saying the game failing for its own merits isn't part of it, but theres absolute no reason for them to buy games when they were conditioned to "wait on Gamepass", it reflected on their consuming habits.

Why would I buy games if they are offered at subscription service what I pay monthly?
That was their decision, not mine.
Gamepass is best value for gamers at this moment & I'm glad to have it.

 

[Kilau]

Yep, they nailed the launch price there.

XVI launched too high, considering VII Remake is even older, it better fuckin' launch lower, lol. But considering that 1/ It's square and 2/ they intend to launch it with the Switch 2 SKU, that one is also probably gonna be severely overpriced.

I'm glad it's bombing, SE doesn't deserve the sales with how badly they've fumbled this series as well as pretty much everything else.

 

[adamsapple]

I wouldn't think that games like bloodstained and ghostrunner are big enough games to even chart. Bloodstained had 2 million lifetime sales as of the end of 2023, and ghost runner 2.5 million in a similar period.

Ok, well, Control has sold ~5 million or more copies by now, I can't find a single tweet / article about that game from Piscatella either.

Plenty of news pieces about Alan Wake 2 tho, which was published by Epic, not 505 games.

Looking at their diverse portfolio in the last decade and not a single tweet from NPD/Circana, I think it's a safe bet 505 games is one of the publishers that doesn't share data with NPD/CIrcana.

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The point being, Death Stranding was in the top 5's of the Xbox paid app charts for a good while, from it's early nov launch well into December. I don't think archive.org would have dated pages for a live updating page like that, but that game did fairly well on Xbox going by its long standing on that top paid page.

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

Damn I said 20K as a joke.

 

[Darsxx82]

If they aren't listed (or of it's physical data only) then it's noted.

They only specify if physical sales appear on the list. And only when it's a multiplatform release and they want to highlight it so people understand that its ranking doesn't correspond to the real one.

If physical sales don't get it into the TOP charts, there is ni need to specified.
And if the game is digital-only (like the DS), then there's no need to mention it because It will not cause confusion.

A month ago, the sales of Expedition 33 were also questioned, and the reason had to be explained on Twitter.

 

[Horseganador]

It was clear that it was going to sell 4 copies on xbox, probably not even enough to cover the cost of the port. They've accustomed Xbox users to not buying anything with GP, and this is the result. Saying it's not selling because it came out so late, given recent examples like FH5 on PS5 or Stellar Blade on PC, is pure damage control.

FFXVI is a great game with an 87 on Metacritic, the same score as MK World, or a few tenths higher than Indiana Jones or the new Doom.

 

[BiohazardX95]

Square enix saved! How stupid were they for skipping xbox and accepting a marketing deal.

Dude, Even if this released day 1 on Xbox it wouldn't have sold much in there.

 

[cireza]

Xbox gamers have been conditioned to not buy games because of gamepass

Come on.

This game :
- is a late port
- is full price
- is technically weak
- sucks ass (we had two years to be well informed about this)

Sorry, but as an Xbox player, I have some standards. I played the demo, it was bad. Waiting for FF XVII.

 

[Heisenberg007]

I asked for 3 days, not lifetime.

The "3 day only" sales data is not available for PC. But considering that it hit a CCU peak fo 27.5K in the first 3 days, you can multiply it with any number between 5 and 10 (the usual formula number) and have a pretty good idea of the 3-day sales figure.

So anywhere between 137,000 - 270,000.

Even if we take the average, that's roughly 9x more than these Xbox sales.

 

[Punished Miku]

The "3 day only" sales data is not available for PC. But considering that it hit a CCU peak fo 27.5K in the first 3 days, you can multiply it with any number between 5 and 10 (the usual formula number) and have a pretty good idea of the 3-day sales figure.

So anywhere between 137,000 - 270,000.

Even if we take the average, that's roughly 9x more than these Xbox sales.

The 3 day sales for Xbox aren't available either technically. This site isn't reliable.

 

[Heisenberg007]

Does 505 Games even report to Circana?

I can't seem to find any evidence of anything like NPD/Circana/Piscatelle ever reporting some of their notable hits like Bloodstained or either Ghostrunner.

The last report I can find with some casual googling is from 2014 for one of the really old Sniper Elite games.

Google AI Overview says "yes."

Search phrase: "Does Circana NPD have 505 Games publisher game sales data"

(can't attach images for some reason)

 

[Heisenberg007]

The 3 day sales for Xbox aren't available either technically. This site isn't reliable.

If that's the argument you're going with, then that defeats the entire conversation.

No offense, but you shouldn't even be in this thread arguing the various reasons why the game didn't sell well on Xbox because you don't believe in the low-sales data in the first place.

 

[adamsapple]

Google AI Overview says "yes."

Search phrase: "Does Circana NPD have 505 Games publisher game sales data"

(can't attach images for some reason)

Useless and 100% unreliable data.

All the linked articles are generic business articles.

 

[Punished Miku]

If that's the argument you're going with, then that defeats the entire conversation.

No offense, but you shouldn't even be in this thread arguing the various reasons why the game didn't sell well on Xbox because you don't believe in the low-sales data in the first place.

Dang, didn't realize I was trespassing. My bad.

 

[Scrawnton]

Late port of a bad game. Shocker.

I'm a huge Final Fantasy fan and I couldn't be bothered to finish this on PS5. Made it to the desert city about 20 hours in and dropped the game like a ton of bricks there.

 

[ShaiKhulud1989]

"Alinea Analytics"

Same. I'm sure that the real figure is even lower.

 

[Heisenberg007]

Dang, didn't realize I was trespassing. My bad.

Didn't mean it like that. But you get what I was saying, right?

Your comments were about why the low sales have nothing to do about Xbox gamers buying fewer games. Then in the end you say that this data is not reliable.

The conversation begins only when we assume these numbers are correct. Otherwise there is no discussion we can have.