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[Ripclawe]

Fox reporting the thinking by DOJ is that the first tape with the American was a message to signal they are ready, and Bin Laden tape is the Go signal.

 

[Dan]

In the video, bin Laden said he decided to attack the twin towers of the World Trade Center in 1982 after the invasion of Lebanon by Israel.

"In those dark moments, my soul was thinking about lots of things that are hard to describe but they brought a feeling to do something about the aggressors and punish them," he said.

"When I looked at the towers that were destroyed in Lebanon, it occurred to me that we should do the same to them. And the towers in America should have fallen down in order for Americans to feel what we have felt."

He underscored it was U.S. foreign policy that led to the attacks, saying, "Bush has told you that we do not like freedom. Then, why didn't we hit Sweden?"

Fact of the matter is that this election isn't going to change a whole ton of bin Laden's complaints. He has a lot of deeper hatred that stems from shit way before George W Bush came into the picture. In order to appease him, Kerry would have to change not just Bush's policies, but 20 years worth of policy. Bin Laden might prefer Kerry, but at the end of the day, Bush's defeat isn't going to satisfy him or make us significantly safer. Bin Laden's just playing the game the best way he can.

 

[Shompola]

Yeah, you have a point but what else can you do with people like him? Attacking America like he did was just stupid... He has less power now than he did before... is that what he really wanted?

I don't pretend to know his motives though, maybe he has some grand 10 year plan or something

He has almost an endless of support now. Look there weren't many muslims reall caring about him pre-9/11. Now you see a great amount of so called intellectual indonesian students ready to die for Bin Laden, even malaysians love him. Not to mention other radical muslims and/or anti-americans in general. I am not kidding, there are ultra leftists who love what he does simple because of his so called anti-american stance.

 

[cvxfreak]

Al Jazeera is painted as some unprofessional and evil news agency, but their webpages looks as professional and informative as other agencies.

 

[KingGondo]

Al Jazeera is painted as some unprofessional and evil news agency, but their webpages looks as professional and informative as other agencies.

Yeah, I hear that Al Jazeera's actually a good network. They're well-funded, they just often present the view from the Middle East side.

 

[Dilbert]

Fox reporting the thinking by DOJ is that the first tape with the American was a message to signal they are ready, and Bin Laden tape is the Go signal.

Based on WHAT? How in the world can they present any evidence to back up that kind of statement?

 

[Spainkiller]

Al Jazeera is painted as some unprofessional and evil news agency, but their webpages looks as professional and informative as other agencies.

They're a news network that present news. Simple as that.

 

[Particle Physicist]

I swear, if this election isnt the highest turn-out in history, then as Americans, you guys have ALOT more things to worry about than the frigin terrorist bogeyman.

what are you talking about? this elections is one of the biggest shams in the history of American elections. .. there is so much nonsensical bullshit being thrown around. i would really love it if it turns out to be one of the lowest turn-outs in history.. maybe this crap would stop .

 

[Spainkiller]

He has almost an endless of support now. Look there weren't many muslims reall caring about him pre-9/11. Now you see a great amount of so called intellectual indonesian students ready to die for Bin Laden, even malaysians love him. Not to mention other radical muslims and/or anti-americans in general. I am not kidding, there are ultra leftists who love what he does simple because of his so called anti-american stance.

'ultra leftists'

??

What the hell are you talking about?

 

[Shompola]

ultra leftist, extreme leftist, anarchist? Are you shocked? It's true though.

 

[Particle Physicist]

They're a news network that present news. Simple as that.

so is Fox News!!!

 

[Spainkiller]

ultra leftist, extreme leftist, anarchist? Are you shocked? It's true though.

I don't see what the increasingly irrelevant 'left' and 'right' terms have to do with that kind of attitude. It's not anarchy, or liberal, it's idiots supporting a mass murderer.

 

[Shompola]

Uhh it was an example of that Bin Laden is still quite popular among various different people ranging from students to anarchists. Thus Bin Laden is still powerful.

 

[Spainkiller]

Uhh it was an example of that Bin Laden is still quite popular among various different people ranging from students to anarchists. Thus Bin Laden is still powerful.

But you're using the term 'left' to describe horrid things. That annoys me. Why does it have conotations of terrorism with you? I don't get it. Bah!

 

[Mashing]

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20041029/ap_on_re_mi_ea/bin_laden_tape_15



it almost sounds like he is saying that Bush knew of the attacks (that bit of intelligence that was ignored, maybe) and that he just didn't care. It also seems like bin Laden wants Kerry to win and is laying it on Bush thick.

If anyone let Bin Laden influence their votes... then they should be kicked out of the country... why would anyone listen to what that bastard has to say? That's horrible even thinking about it... why would an American care what he says?

 

[Spainkiller]

If anyone let Bin Laden influence their votes... then they should be kicked out of the country... why would anyone listen to what that bastard has to say? That's horrible even thinking about it... why would an American care what he says?

Ha! Imagine what could have been prevented if somebody had cared about what he said a few years ago...

 

[Shompola]

But you're using the term 'left' to describe horrid things. That annoys me. Why does it have conotations of terrorism with you? I don't get it. Bah!

Ok, how about Bin Laden has support among various kinds of people who have anti-americanism or/and anti-west as the common denominator.

 

[Pochacco]

Did he mention anything about Cheney's lesbian daughter?

 

[Spainkiller]

Ok, how about Bin Laden has support among various kinds of people who have anti-americanism or/and anti-west as the common denominator.

That's much better!

 

[Christoff Yurievich]

Fox reporting the thinking by DOJ is that the first tape with the American was a message to signal they are ready, and Bin Laden tape is the Go signal.

amazing! an attack right before the election? I don't think anyone saw that coming.

 

[Kiriku]

"Security is an important pillar of human life. Free people do not relinquish their security. This is contrary to Bush's claim that we hate freedom.
Let him tell us why we did not strike Sweden, for example."

An excerpt from Bin Laden's speech. I wonder what he means by that...why wouldn't he attack Sweden? Well, at least it makes me happy to live in Sweden.

 

[Pochacco]

He forgot about Poland..
jk.

I think what he meant is, if he hated freedom like Bush said he does, he could attack any democratic nation (such as Sweden). But no, he chose to attack the US because for other reasons.

 

[Incognito]

He's saying he doesn't hate freedom per se, rather he hates American foreign policy in the Middle East. Thus, our current problem.

Now, if Sweden were to join up with America, you'd have a problem.

 

[nathkenn]

If anyone let Bin Laden influence their votes... then they should be kicked out of the country... why would anyone listen to what that bastard has to say? That's horrible even thinking about it... why would an American care what he says?

people should be kicked out of the country? thats freedom for you

 

[Kiriku]

Ah OK, I see what you mean.

 

[Dilbert]

I'm just now reading some of the quotes from the tape in the AP story, and it's almost funny. Bin Laden is puttting the smack DOWN on Bush, especially about the "My Pet Goat" fiasco. Saying in explicit terms that the issue is security for "his" people is kind of interesting, and blows the "they hate our way of life" line of thinking out of the water...if he's being honest in making that statement.

Also, did this bother anyone else?

Before the tape was aired, the State Department asked the government of Qatar to discourage Al-Jazeera from broadcasting it, a senior State Department official said.

What valid reason would they have for suppressing the tape?

 

[cvxfreak]

Yeah, I hear that Al Jazeera's actually a good network. They're well-funded, they just often present the view from the Middle East side.

Well, SOMEONE has to, right?

I've been thinking that Al Jazeera is like an evil network organization, but that thought is erased.

 

[Mashing]

He forgot about Poland..
jk.

I think what he meant is, if he hated freedom like Bush said he does, he could attack any democratic nation (such as Sweden). But no, he chose to attack the US because for other reasons.

Attacking Sweden does nothing... if he wants himself to be heard he has to pick a fight with the big fish in the pond so to speak.

 

[xsarien]

Fox reporting the thinking by DOJ is that the first tape with the American was a message to signal they are ready, and Bin Laden tape is the Go signal.

Then we must ratchet up the alert level:

 

[Ulairi]

He's saying he doesn't hate freedom per se, rather he hates American foreign policy in the Middle East. Thus, our current problem.

Now, if Sweden were to join up with America, you'd have a problem.

Are you really this stupid? Have you read any of the writings from him and his gang?

 

[Particle Physicist]

What valid reason would they have for suppressing the tape?

it might have hidden messages to terror cell elsewhere in the world.

dunno . just guessing.

 

[Incognito]

Are you really this stupid? Have you read any of the writings from him and his gang?

Perhaps you can explain to me why OBL and his band of terrorists haven't attacked Sweden, even though they share many of the same freedoms that makes America so great? Granted, I realize he has quite the irrational hatred for ALL things American, but to simply say, "OH, ITS BECAUSE OF OUR FREEDOMS" is wrong.

Btw, thanks for the personal insult, you fucking ass.

 

[CrunchyB]

Wow, Osama is kicking Bush's ass again, if the guy wasn't a fucking sociopath mass murderer I might have liked him. Now he just leaves me in a state of W-T-F.

 

[nathkenn]

it's sad that the crazy terrorist makes a clearer point and more sense than either of our presidential candidates. we are so scewed of we dont stop acting like idiots and own up to the fact that our leaders commit just as many atrocities as the fundamentalists over there
sigh, we're so screwed

 

[fse]

OBL 04'? hmm

 

[nathkenn]

haha, nah i dont think i'd like to trade one crazy religious fundamentalist for another

 

[Panajev2001a]

But you're using the term 'left' to describe horrid things. That annoys me. Why does it have conotations of terrorism with you? I don't get it. Bah!

I do not know why anyone would say that it does...

...

 

[thefit]

I think Bin Ladden is trying to reach out to the young croud this time around check out his flashy new yellow addidas jacket perfect for raving, raping and breaking with your homies ...word to your mother yo!

YO, YO GIVE IT UP FOR DJ BINSNEEZAL!!

 

[Bizarro Sun Yat-sen]

Well, attacking Sweden would be too easy. They don't have an army.

 

[Phoenix]

The full transcript of the translated bin laden video is available now:

Source

BTW, Sweeden does have an army and special forces.

 

[Ollie Pooch]

BBC version :

Oh American people, my talk to you is about the best way to avoid another Manhattan, about the war, its causes, and results.

Security is an important pillar of human life. Free people do not relinquish their security. This is contrary to Bush's claim that we hate freedom.

CNN version :

You, the American people, I talk to you today about the best way to avoid another catastrophe and about war, its reasons and its consequences.

And in that regard, I say to you that security is an important pillar of human life, and that free people do not compromise their security.

wtf?

edit : translated by different people.. woops

 

[Drensch]

BTW, Sweeden does have an army and special forces.

I think he was being sarcastic. WDumbass said the other day that Sweden didn't have an army.

 

[FightyF]

If he was addressing the American people...why didn't he speak in English?

I guess his Brit accent would have made him seem more evil, just like in the movies.

The sad thing is that dialogue like this between nations can't occur until after a travesty, because these travesties somehow give these people "credibility" or a reason to pay attention to them.

OBL is making the point that Bush can't fool the American people and use OBL as an excuse to win the election. Thus far the entire Republican party has either painted this "war" as a crusade, or as a war against people who hate freedom. Obviously, that's not the case.

It's just sad that OBL had to make this point, while Kerry hasn't. A guy who's supported a massive terrorist attack against innocent people, a person one would hardly call an example for the rest of us...says things that should have been brought up by American citizens such as Kerry (it has been brought up by many Americans, but unfortunately they aren't given the same amount of TV air-time as an established terrorist).

OBL's hints towards a truce shouldn't carry any weight with the American people. But the way the conflict is handled should be looked at in closer detail. If there are still Americans that think this is a holy war, or that it's a war for freedom, then it's going to turn into a war with no end, because the goals don't make any sense and are unattainable.

 

[Azrael]

Perhaps you can explain to me why OBL and his band of terrorists haven't attacked Sweden, even though they share many of the same freedoms that makes America so great?

Islamists do not attack countries like Sweden because it is in their interests to keep us infidels divided amongst ourselves and their immediate enemies politically isolated and thus in a weaker position. This response to the recent kidnapping of the French hostages in Iraq is enlightening:

http://healingiraq.blogspot.com/archives/2004_09_01_healingiraq_archive.html#109402879976384629

Mohammed Bashar Al-Faidhy, spokesman of the Association of Muslim Scholars, addressed the 'Iraqi resistance' in an open message at a press conference broadcast by the Arab satellite channels yesterday. He stressed the point that this was the first time for the association to openly address the 'resistance'.

He started by reiterating the association's stand of supporting armed resistance against occupation forces. He said it is a legitimate right for any occupied people according to divine laws. He added that the association welcomes the peace talks between the Iraqi government and local leaders in Fallujah, Ramadi and Sammara BUT that does not imply recognition for the Iraqi interim government, and as long as the negotiations do not provide cover for the foreign presence in Iraq they have the association's blessings.

He then proceeded to the message, excerpts below:

To our brothers in the Islamic Army of Iraq. We wish to inform you that we totally understand the extreme rage that is boiling in your hearts regarding the French decision to ban the Hijab in their schools, and we share you your dissapointment. We officially condemned the French decision at the time... However, killing the two hostages without considering the grave consequences of such an act would be harmful to our cause and would isolate us from our international support... Our goal is to besiege the Americans politically in every spot of the world and this act is not serving that goal... You can see how the agents of the occupation are already using this incident against us... It is our duty as scholars to point out to our brothers what is wrong and what is right... France as an anti-occupation country has been helpful to our cause... You might say that the French stance is not an altruistic one and that they have their own political interests that caused them to disagree with the Americans, and I am not going to say that is not true but it is also our goal to turn them against each other to serve our cause so France has a strategic importance for us... Killing the two hostages is also not helpful to the 6 million Muslims in France... I beseech you to reconsider this and to release the two hostages and to promise us not to commit any act that would harm our cause in the future... We also hope that this development would permit the French government to reconsider their decision to ban the Hijab... When we become a free country Inshallah we will pursue this goal by diplomatic means.

In other words, Islamist groups like Al Qaeda isn't attacking countries like Sweden because it wouldn't be pragmatic to do so, not because they're against using violence against non-Muslims who have not victimized them on principle.

 

[Triumph]

Well, we have our October Suprise.

Osama bin Laden is a David Cross fan. Who knew?

Edit: Is this out on the web somewhere yet, in video or transcript form? I'd like to watch it for myself. I also just read that the tape is 18 minutes long and that Bin Laden only speaks for 14:39. I wonder what else is on the tape.

 

[RiZ III]

These guys live in caves. We're being threatened by cavemen! Am I the only one that finds this slightly absurd and funny? This guy is sitting in some cave on the other side of world making empty threats. OOooo im so scared.

 

[Chrono]

These guys live in caves. We're being threatened by cavemen! Am I the only one that finds this slightly absurd and funny? This guy is sitting in some cave on the other side of world making empty threats. OOooo im so scared.

well those cavemen killed almost 3 thousand people on 9-11....

I'm scared. =/

 

[RiZ III]

They caught us unaware. Since then we've bombed the shit out of them. If it wasn't for Bush's lack of leadership skills, Bin Laden would've been dead a while back. Either way, I don't see these guys as any major threat. I don't see them pulling off any major attack on US soil again. I don't know, I guess I'm just not as paranoid as everyone else.

 

[Triumph]

They caught us unaware. Since then we've bombed the shit out of them. If it wasn't for Bush's lack of leadership skills, Bin Laden would've been dead a while back. Either way, I don't see these guys as any major threat. I don't see them pulling off any major attack on US soil again. I don't know, I guess I'm just not as paranoid as everyone else.

We've bombed the shit out of THEM, huh? I'm not sure that you're drawing a distinction between Islamic extremists and mostly innocent Iraqis. Actually, I'm not sure that you're CAPABLE of drawing said distinction.

 

[RiZ III]

If you recall, there was a war in Afghanistan prior to Iraq.