Topher
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Narnia? Is that EU only?
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Narnia? Is that EU only?
Buggy Loop
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Before upscaling? Yes? That's how all path traced games are.
No excuses to not bench these cards for path tracing.
Antwix
Member
Microcenter is usually good at having the models up prior to launch but all they have is a landing page currently.
AMD Radeon 9000 Series | Micro Center
All you need for ultra-fast gaming - Radeon RX 9000 Series Graphics Cards. Speed, performance, and visuals work together for smooth frames and total immersion.
64gigabyteram
Reverse groomer.
for me I want to see Witcher 3 RT performance. the RT implementation in that game drastically improves the look, so I want to see how the 9070 XT fares.
iQuasarLV
Member
And yet zero reviewers are pushing videos with PathTracing in Cyberpunk 2077. Gotta be a reason for that, hmmm.
SolidQ
Member
That was only 4k native. Maybe there review where 4k Native PT.
for Indiana AMD need some Vulkan Extension, hope they add later.
SolidQ
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JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
Based on these reviews I will say this:
This looks like a game winning home run, but not quite a World Series winning grand slam.
The ray tracing performance really needed to match the 5070 Ti, not just the 4070 super.
This looks like a game winning home run, but not quite a World Series winning grand slam.
The ray tracing performance really needed to match the 5070 Ti, not just the 4070 super.
Reizo Ryuu
Member
I don't think you can even enable it if you're not on nvidia?
Buggy Loop
Member
AMD marketing kit telling them not to? Again, shady as fuck.
It doesn't put a light for gamers like me who would just upgrade from Ampere to a new card just because of path tracing. I really don't care raster performances going beyond my monitor refresh rate.
5070 Ti 4K Cyberpunk 2077 Overdrive hits 64 fps with DLSS 4 performance.
Page 8 | Nvidia GeForce RTX 5070 review: DLSS 4 doesn't deliver 4090 performance
Digital Foundry tests the GeForce 5070. On this page: we introduce our test system, benchmarking methodology and initial impressions.
www.eurogamer.net
Totally playable. Still not a card I want to buy but for sure, hiding AMD under the rug against the big performance hitters like path tracing is not doing anyone any good. We'll be the judge if the performances are acceptable.
Of course you can.
Peoples don't misunderstand this sometimes but there's no "RTX", RTX is an SDK to see each DXR call performances and miliseconds on the game you are working on. Once implemented the DXR just makes vendor agnostic function calls that AMD has to answer to. RDNA 3 & 2 can run overdrive, just at shit performances. I was really hoping to see the generational leap of RDNA 4 over RDNA 3 for this in particular. I was expecting a good 200% uplift, but I have no fucking data.
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Zathalus
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Because nobody games with path tracing at or near native 4K. Not even on a 5090.
For the 5070ti, something like DLSS with 1440p is perfectly fine when it comes to PT, so the question is valid.
64gigabyteram
Reverse groomer.
great numbers! I game at 1440p too so my purchase is secure
Topher
Identifies as young
Microcenter is usually good at having the models up prior to launch but all they have is a landing page currently.
AMD Radeon 9000 Series | Micro Center
All you need for ultra-fast gaming - Radeon RX 9000 Series Graphics Cards. Speed, performance, and visuals work together for smooth frames and total immersion.www.microcenter.com
They seem to be the only ones in the US who know the thing exists
64gigabyteram
Reverse groomer.
we'll get the card in less than 24 hours. whatever needs to be revealed will be in due time.AMD marketing kit telling them not to? Again, shady as fuck.
It doesn't put a light for gamers like me who would just upgrade from Ampere to a new card just because of path tracing. I really don't care raster performances going beyond my monitor refresh rate.
5070 Ti 4K Cyberpunk 2077 Overdrive hits 64 fps with DLSS 4 performance.
Page 8 | Nvidia GeForce RTX 5070 review: DLSS 4 doesn't deliver 4090 performance
Digital Foundry tests the GeForce 5070. On this page: we introduce our test system, benchmarking methodology and initial impressions.
Totally playable. Still not a card I want to buy but for sure, hiding AMD under the rug against the big performance hitters like path tracing is not doing anyone any good. We'll be the judge if the performances are acceptable.
Of course you can.
Peoples don't misunderstand this sometimes but there's no "RTX", RTX is an SDK to see each DXR call performances and miliseconds on the game you are working on. Once implemented the DXR just makes vendor agnostic function calls that AMD has to answer to. RDNA 3 & 2 can run overdrive, just at shit performances. I was really hoping to see the generational leap of RDNA 4 over RDNA 3 for this in particular. I was expecting a good 200% uplift, but I have no fucking data.
Reizo Ryuu
Member
You're right, I just tried it and it ran with it on, I was confused by the tooltip saying it requires at least a 4070ti or 3090
iQuasarLV
Member
Per that article, try an avg of 52 with a peak of 64fps and a low of 40fps. You need fake frames to smooth that out or G-sync at the minimum to compensate for the fluctuation. Really though adding compromises into the mix of lacking the horsepower to even push 60fps @ 4k(dlss4 performance) is just copium for a $900 usd card.AMD marketing kit telling them not to? Again, shady as fuck.
It doesn't put a light for gamers like me who would just upgrade from Ampere to a new card just because of path tracing. I really don't care raster performances going beyond my monitor refresh rate.
5070 Ti 4K Cyberpunk 2077 Overdrive hits 64 fps with DLSS 4 performance.
Page 8 | Nvidia GeForce RTX 5070 review: DLSS 4 doesn't deliver 4090 performance
Digital Foundry tests the GeForce 5070. On this page: we introduce our test system, benchmarking methodology and initial impressions.
Totally playable. Still not a card I want to buy but for sure, hiding AMD under the rug against the big performance hitters like path tracing is not doing anyone any good. We'll be the judge if the performances are acceptable.
Of course you can.
Peoples don't misunderstand this sometimes but there's no "RTX", RTX is an SDK to see each DXR call performances and miliseconds on the game you are working on. Once implemented the DXR just makes vendor agnostic function calls that AMD has to answer to. RDNA 3 & 2 can run overdrive, just at shit performances. I was really hoping to see the generational leap of RDNA 4 over RDNA 3 for this in particular. I was expecting a good 200% uplift, but I have no fucking data.
Again, shit performance at that level all around the table. Its captain obvious at this point.
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Senua
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570 all the way to 800 for different AIBs is ridiculous lolUK
Not bad but the only thing really impressive here is the 9070xt's price at $600. Performance per watt isn't great, and while RT and FSR4 are big improvements they're not better than what Nvidia's offering. Value is very good though at $600.
9070 is basically a 5070 with 4GB more VRAM and whatever other advantages it has shrink when DLSS/FSR4 is applied. I like this card more than the XT version because AMD kept perf/watt reasonable here. Price is too close to 5070 though; it needs to be $450, then it becomes interesting.
All in all pretty good but not enough for me to bite. I'll just wait for Nvidia to get their act together (or for 9070 to drop down to $450).
9070 is basically a 5070 with 4GB more VRAM and whatever other advantages it has shrink when DLSS/FSR4 is applied. I like this card more than the XT version because AMD kept perf/watt reasonable here. Price is too close to 5070 though; it needs to be $450, then it becomes interesting.
All in all pretty good but not enough for me to bite. I'll just wait for Nvidia to get their act together (or for 9070 to drop down to $450).
Buggy Loop
Member
Are you fucking dense?
I'm not trying to sell anyone a 5070 Ti, I DO NOT WANT THAT CARD, Nobody should buy this shit at $750-$900
I still want to see path tracing performances. It's the ONLY reason I want to upgrade from a 3080 Ti.
Baseline max settings + path tracings anyone can then see that a few minor graphic adjustments and upscaling will bring them to good performances. Hell even on my 3080 Ti its playable, especially with DLSS 4 performance now but I didn't have time to test too much, I just want more path tracing performances.
Frame gen? WELL YES! Include it also FFS, AMD has it. Go for it. Hiding it under the rug is POOR JOURNALISM.
Very silly to defend that these benchmarks are not done because you think native performance is not acceptable. Again, where is the fucking performance?
We
don't
know!
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SolidQ
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BangforBucks will get 9070XT and he will compare vs 3090
Buggy Loop
Member
That's a long ass wait
Can't believe journalists didn't bench overdrive, FFS. Especially since the leak seemed promising. I don't get it.
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iQuasarLV
Member
No I am not DENSE.
What you are fucking championing is your opinoin that Path Tracing has value in this context of card reviews. IT DOES NOT
You wanted to say that the 5070 Ti can hold its own in Path Tracing. IT DOES NOT
There is ZERO alternate realities where this segment of GPUs (9070, 9070 XT, 5070, 5070 Ti) will push acceptable frame rates when path tracing is thrown at it.
I know you don't want the 5070 Ti, but I also know you are trying to convince people that there is no point to these reviews because PATH TRACING.
Like I said twice (2X) now, all the cards are shit performance! Even with the $900 card, with DLSS 4, transformer, and performance level upscaling at once. SO, again I say NO you do not need to see pathtracing numbers because these cards are barely even able to hand regular differing levels of Ray Tracing. So I pass the ball back. Who is DENSE?!
But hey if you want that MFG go adhead and just soak this little clip in
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Bry0
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It’s frustrating right now. I want to have the store pages bookmarked and everything so I’m ready to go. I want to grab the nitro+. Lol
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Denton
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I am playing Cyberpunk pathtraced at 60fps on 3080Ti in good image quality thanks to DLSS transformer.
It actually made my desire to upgrade completely non-existent.
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Lucifers Beard
Member
This is clearly a 1080p and 1440p card looking at the benchmarks. They'll test 4K but you would be mad to buy this card if you actually want to play max settings 4K.
Wolzard
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Soodanim
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So what are we saying for UK warranties, service etc? Am I good going with those reasonable lads at Sapphire or Power color? I get the feeling Sapphire is more respected but I know very little about the brands.UK
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SolidQ
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Sapphire and Powercolord/XFX top AIBs for AMD
Germany prices. tax included
- Asus PRIME Radeon RX 9070 16GB - 739,00
- Asus TUF Radeon RX 9070 16GB - 789,00
- Asus PRIME Radeon RX 9070 XT 16GB - 799,00
- Asus TUF Radeon RX 9070 XT 16GB - 879,00
- Sapphire Nitro+ Radeon RX 9070 XT - 879,00
- Sapphire Pure Radeon RX 9070 XT - 789,00
- Sapphire Pulse Radeon RX 9070 XT - 689,00
Asus drunk prices for nonXT
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Soodanim
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I'm on a 1660ti, a base card will be a wonderful upgrade. Thanks!
Pimpollo818
Member
Maybe for Xmas. RIP 1080GTX.
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SolidQ
Member
9070nonXT is good also, 50$ difference, but that for people who want low power consumption
Soodanim
Member
Haven't considered it, but I might. I do like lower consumption.
TheRedRiders
Member
Chips&Cheese now have a YT channel, this is a big deal. Thank you for sharing.
Buggy Loop
Member
It sure does
Least of worries for these gens of cards is fucking raster at >150 fps
It does. Max setting path tracing baseline can be optimized further with tweaks to hit 60 fps with DLSS. Frame gen can also go in and AMD has it. This is the type of game that frame-gen is totally justifiable for a generational leap in graphics.
Even better at 1440p which these mid range cards should actually target.
That's like your opinion, and I really don't give a shit about it.
7900XTX were benched for it. Why the fuck not the new gen? It has to show a substantial boost.
Wow, don't forget to take your pills. Where the fuck am I saying that there's no point to these reviews because path tracing? Calm the fuck down.
I'm flabbergasted that not a single reviewer has it. Like I don't care if hardware unboxed doesn't or gamers nexus, because they never cared for these tech, but all of them? I call bullshit.
Take your meds
Plenty of ways to make cyberpunk path tracing viable
- 1440p would be 100% viable
- Tweaking under max settings is viable
- Frame gen is viable, AMD has it, use it. Don't care about the whole fake frame fucking drama for brainlets
- Upscaling performance
If its 30 fps? So fucking be it! Who the fuck are you to judge what is acceptable. Who the fuck are you?
The purpose of reviews is to inform users and they did a shit job by neglecting the most demanding titles.
SolidQ had a leaked benchmark of it in path tracing and it looked promising, I even said so in the reply to him. So again, GTFO with your baseless accusations.
Topher
Identifies as young
Hate to say it, but right now......all indications are this is another paper launch.
asdasdasdbb
Member
It might go quickly but retailers have been sitting on inventory since January.
Moses85
Member
Where did you get this info?
Thanks
So, I will buy a 9070 XT
If NVIDIA dont want my money, AMD will get it.
Buggy Loop
Member
What's indicating this?
SolidQ
Member
Reddit, but for real all prices need to see tomorrow
1 in stock only for premium price
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Crayon
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Buggy Loop
How many heavy rt games are out there? I think they got three, which is literally most of them.
Maybe after getting some, but I think it's wukong, cybertron, Indiana Jones, Alan Wake two, and I remember anymore but maybe someone can correct me.
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SolidQ
Member
for now it's. Next is doom, and AMD sponsored PT games
Topher
Identifies as young
The fact that it is launching tomorrow and it can't be found anywhere in the US except for a single splash page at microcenter. Maybe I'm jumping the gun, but nothing would surprise me at this point.
LordBlodgett
Member
Hope this is in stock. 9070XT is my new card if so.
Corporal.Hicks
Member
Novigrad with maxed out settings is completely CPU limited. So this is basically a driver overhead test.
I dont know how many fps the 9070XT gets in this game, but the 7900XTX has between 40-50fps at 1440p TAA native with full RT,
For comparison my RTX4080S gets 55-80fps. The Witcher definitely runs better on nvidia cards, but not just because of the raw RT performance, but mainly because of DLSS. DLSS FG helps a lot in CPU limited locations (Novigrad). Also DLSS (transformer model) looks a lot better than TAA native in this game, while FSR (whatever version the game use) looks quite blurry and shimmers a lot. The witcher 3 looks amazing and runs like a dream thanks to DLSS, I get 140-170 fps at 1440p and around 85-100 fps at 4K.
I'm assuming the 9070XT can run this game much better in RT mode compared to 7900XTX, and it should be also possible to force FSR4 instead of FSR3, so the image quality should be improved a lot. Maybe even there are mods that can add FSR FG support.
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