ValiantInstance
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My 7900XT hit 55-60 at 4K, so I presume it would be better.
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Reizo Ryuu
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iQuasarLV
Member
Pot-kettle, take a look back at response #95It sure does
Least of worries for these gens of cards is fucking raster at >150 fps
It does. Max setting path tracing baseline can be optimized further with tweaks to hit 60 fps with DLSS. Frame gen can also go in and AMD has it. This is the type of game that frame-gen is totally justifiable for a generational leap in graphics.
Even better at 1440p which these mid range cards should actually target.
That's like your opinion, and I really don't give a shit about it.
7900XTX were benched for it. Why the fuck not the new gen? It has to show a substantial boost.
Wow, don't forget to take your pills. Where the fuck am I saying that there's no point to these reviews because path tracing? Calm the fuck down.
I'm flabbergasted that not a single reviewer has it. Like I don't care if hardware unboxed doesn't or gamers nexus, because they never cared for these tech, but all of them? I call bullshit.
Take your meds
Plenty of ways to make cyberpunk path tracing viable
Even I can run it on a 3080 Ti. Surely a 9070 XT beats my card?
- 1440p would be 100% viable
- Tweaking under max settings is viable
- Frame gen is viable, AMD has it, use it. Don't care about the whole fake frame fucking drama for brainlets
- Upscaling performance
If its 30 fps? So fucking be it! Who the fuck are you to judge what is acceptable. Who the fuck are you?
The purpose of reviews is to inform users and they did a shit job by neglecting the most demanding titles.
SolidQ had a leaked benchmark of it in path tracing and it looked promising, I even said so in the reply to him. So again, GTFO with your baseless accusations.
How else are people supposed to take your attitude? no PathTracing no merit, right?
And in a review thread you say bullshit to all of them, really? You can click on every video and google printed reviews. NO ONE did path tracing.
I read
tomshardware
eurogamer
techspot
And balanced several of my go to videos, and no one used path tracing on the x70 cards. Yet, I am the one living in a glass house eh?
SolidQ
Member
I think there is, just no founded. Let's see tomorrow
StereoVsn
Gold Member
Looks to be about 40-50% in RT games and 30ish percent in vanilla uplift.
I am thinking of biting the bullet. 5080 would be the next card up, availability is non existent and pricing is ridiculous.
SolidQ
Member
AMD always after release improve RT perf, let's see how it's turn in 6 month. on RDNA3 in latest driver(RDNA4) they improve RT
StereoVsn
Gold Member
Oh, sure, but I am not going to wait to buy if I can get one tomorrow. I suspect prices are going to go up with these dumb tariffs in US.
If you are outside US, it’s probably not as urgent.
SolidQ
Member
yeah it's going up
yeah outside US, but i'm not hurry, i stil have games which, i can play it on old card. Will see in autumn, maybe will get 9070nonXT(i'm don't like cards above 250W)
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iQuasarLV
Member
Yea, I had this conversation with my friend last night. He was skeptical that I would buy one, however, I made a point that if I go past March the tariffs will price me right out of an upgrade this gen. $600 + tax + shipping is almost $200 over my limit. tack on another flat % to the us gov't and forget about it.
Buggy Loop
Member
Naw that's not enough to go on I think.
They've been stacking these at stores since CES.
The systems being down for internet might actually be a good thing. Scalpers typically find a way around the code to basically bulk buy these cards before the timer is even on for starting orders. Not allowing them to sniff the internet page ahead of time I think will mean that tomorrow it might last longer than 10 ms before stock goes out (or copium)
Unknown Soldier
Member
I mean the real prices are whatever the scalpers are charging
Let's be honest here, nobody is going to get a 5070 or a 9070 at MSRP
analog_future
Resident Crybaby
I couldn't be happier with my 5090, but at this point I think it's the only 5000 series card worth even considering.
No point of getting a 5080 with the 4090 existing, and you just go with AMD for everything else.
No point of getting a 5080 with the 4090 existing, and you just go with AMD for everything else.
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Topher
Identifies as young
Perhaps, but they are not doing that for Nvidia cards. I don't know man. This seems off
StereoVsn
Gold Member
You can’t buy a 5090 for a reasonable price anywhere. And by “reasonable” I mean under $2500. You can’t buy a 4090 since they stopped producing them.
Scalper prices for both are insane. Not that 5080 prices are reasonable either. But at MSRP or near it, 5080 would be an ok pick. Not great certainly but ok.
At $1500-2000 5080 is a ridiculous choice.
Topher
Identifies as young
I really think anything more $1k for any GPU is ridiculous. We’ve just been conditioned to think otherwise
un1que
Member
Not a pc expert in the slightest. So after some advice…
I’m Aiming for 4k 60. Could this achieve it for games like cyberpunk and wukong with path tracing without framegen? I don’t mind upscalling if it’s as good as they say but can’t stand lag.
What’s the best make to aim for/avoid?
Whats the Best processor to go with it?
I’m Aiming for 4k 60. Could this achieve it for games like cyberpunk and wukong with path tracing without framegen? I don’t mind upscalling if it’s as good as they say but can’t stand lag.
What’s the best make to aim for/avoid?
Whats the Best processor to go with it?
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PaintTinJr
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Just out of curiosity I checked scan.co.uk, which are rarely cheapest but typically will have stock if it can be found at a price, and despite them having one MSI RTX 5070 nonTi at £709 to buy in amongst many cards as either "Pre-order" (at high prices) or "notify me when available". The entire AMD RX 9070 range is all "notify me when available", suggesting they don't have any, and don't know when they are coming to even take a pre-order.
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SolidQ
Member
No if Native, even 5090 can't
CompleteGlobalSaturation
Member
This is awesome to see.
analog_future
Resident Crybaby
I'm one of the lucky ones that got my 5090 at MSRP. But yeah at scalper prices no 5000 series card is worth it.
loktaiextatus
Member
So you dont know about FSR I see.
un1que
Member
I know that. lol.
I mean with fsr 4 without it looking terrible.
Buggy Loop
Member
Where have I said that no path tracing no merit? Merit of what? Why are you so fucking keen that these cards have no merit in path tracing? I'll repeat again, leaked benchmarks for cyberpunk 2077 overdrive seemed promising
But sure, let's bundle up >18 games in raster as if we can't tell exactly where it is located in raster against competition. Not a single one to know where it is located for path tracing, not one. Brilliant journalism. Brilliant.
What a nice way to test a new architecture promising a total revamp for RT/PT. RDNA 4 should easily score above 200% gain in PT compared to RDNA 3. Fucking odd to omit that.
MSI GeForce RTX 5070 Ti Ventus MSRP card review - Interesting chip for gamers and the end of the GPU shortage? | Page 10 | igor´sLAB
With the RTX 5070 Ti, NVIDIA has now launched a new graphics card on the market that is intended to position itself in the mid-range and promises both performance and modern features. The MSI RTX 5070…
www.igorslab.de
Nvidia RTX 5070 Ti Review ft. MSI - KitGuru
January saw the launch of both the RTX 5090 and RTX 5080, but today the 50 series rollout continues
www.kitguru.net
Nvidia GeForce RTX 5070 Ti review: bad start, decent GPU
Our RTX 5070 Ti review reveals a capable high-end GPU that's currently being let down by its excessive launch pricing.
www.rockpapershotgun.com
(alan wake 2 PT)
MSI GeForce RTX 5070 Ti Vanguard SOC Review
The MSI GeForce RTX 5070 Ti Vanguard comes with the most powerful cooling solution tested today. It's also the quietest card and runs at lower temperatures than any other model—out of the box, no BIOS switch required. Performance is excellent, too, but pricing is very high.
(minecraft path tracing)
Nvidia GeForce RTX 5070 Ti review: A proper high-end GPU, if you can find it at MSRP
A decent upgrade from the RTX 4070 Ti, but a smaller bump from the 4070 Ti Super.
In the meantime, I can't gamble on a card where I have 0, zero information on titles that interest me to upgrade to begin with. Don't even bother replying again if its to say "buT I doNT CArE aBoUT PT?".
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Buggy Loop
Member
I mean we'll see soon enough, just imho its not enough to say there's a shortage.
AMD would have to be a special kind of stupid to stack these since CES in stores and have nothing to show for it.
Topher
Identifies as young
You are probably right. I've learned to become quite the pessimist when it comes to this kind of thing
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Buggy Loop
Member
Voila! There is interest for AMD fans to know where RDNA 4 lands compared to RDNA 3 architecture, including RTX Turing & RTX Ampere users, 100%, me included. If you're on Ada then I doubt there's a point, but again, let the numbers speak for themselves. I'm sure AMD has a huge improvement here due to the architecture changes.
Even 4k max settings overdrive if it gets 10 fps native it would still be 200% climb gen to gen over a 7900XTX (!). Journalists not even mentioning it when talking about the architecture and the changes for RT is a huge miss. There's a ton of ways to make them playable beyond just native. Its required in fact, even for the strongest cards. There's no GPU in the world right now where you can run overdrive mode native 4k. Doesn't mean its not worth benching.
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rofif
Can’t Git Gud
You assume too much.
I've watched 3 videos about new fsr4 today. All after that comment.
64gigabyteram
Reverse groomer.
for 1080p that perf isn't the worst thing in the world. Since 9070XT has vastly improved RT tech it'll be interesting to see how much better it is
Voila! There is interest for AMD fans to know where RDNA 4 lands compared to RDNA 3 architecture, including RTX Turing & RTX Ampere users, 100%, me included. If you're on Ada then I doubt there's a point, but again, let the numbers speak for themselves. I'm sure AMD has a huge improvement here due to the architecture changes.
Even 4k max settings overdrive if it gets 10 fps native it would still be 200% climb gen to gen over a 7900XTX (!). Journalists not even mentioning it when talking about the architecture and the changes for RT is a huge miss. There's a ton of ways to make them playable beyond just native. Its required in fact, even for the strongest cards. There's no GPU in the world right now where you can run overdrive mode native 4k. Doesn't mean its not worth benching.
For me I only really care about PT performance insofar in how well it'll be able to run a select few RTX remix titles and Doom RTX.
I know I shouldn't get my hopes too high since it's Nvidia tech, but still
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FalconPunch
Member
The average is 52 fps with DLSS performance. Who references 1% highs when talking about a cards performance?AMD marketing kit telling them not to? Again, shady as fuck.
It doesn't put a light for gamers like me who would just upgrade from Ampere to a new card just because of path tracing. I really don't care raster performances going beyond my monitor refresh rate.
5070 Ti 4K Cyberpunk 2077 Overdrive hits 64 fps with DLSS 4 performance.
Page 8 | Nvidia GeForce RTX 5070 review: DLSS 4 doesn't deliver 4090 performance
Digital Foundry tests the GeForce 5070. On this page: we introduce our test system, benchmarking methodology and initial impressions.www.eurogamer.net
Totally playable. Still not a card I want to buy but for sure, hiding AMD under the rug against the big performance hitters like path tracing is not doing anyone any good. We'll be the judge if the performances are acceptable.
Of course you can.
Peoples don't misunderstand this sometimes but there's no "RTX", RTX is an SDK to see each DXR call performances and miliseconds on the game you are working on. Once implemented the DXR just makes vendor agnostic function calls that AMD has to answer to. RDNA 3 & 2 can run overdrive, just at shit performances. I was really hoping to see the generational leap of RDNA 4 over RDNA 3 for this in particular. I was expecting a good 200% uplift, but I have no fucking data.
Fbh
Member
Seems pretty good for the price, though shame they are still lagging significantly behind in ray tracing.
As I said in another thread though, If I could find one at MSRP it might tempt me to finally jump to PC. At the original price it seems to reach a nice balance between price and performance.
Based on the benchmarks going around, if you want Ray Tracing with this at 60fps or more you'll be aiming for 1440p (sometimes upscaled 1440p)
As I said in another thread though, If I could find one at MSRP it might tempt me to finally jump to PC. At the original price it seems to reach a nice balance between price and performance.
Based on the benchmarks going around, if you want Ray Tracing with this at 60fps or more you'll be aiming for 1440p (sometimes upscaled 1440p)
Buggy Loop
Member
Well I found what I was looking for ! Fucking finally.
Best channel around of course, optimum tech. Doesn't go into fucking drama, without funny faces on thumbnail and does not put big explosions or sensationalist titles for clickbaits unlike 99% of other techtubers.
Don't know how to compare my 3080 Ti to that for now but this is acceptable performances. Before even enabling AMD frame gen. For those wondering, yes, Cyberpunk 2077 overdrive is playable at 1440p based on this optimum test.
That was easy wasn't it?
Again, don't care about 5070 Ti performance next to it, I do not want to pay close to $1k for that turd. Can't believe it was as hard as finding a pin in a haystack to find an overdrive performance metric.
Best channel around of course, optimum tech. Doesn't go into fucking drama, without funny faces on thumbnail and does not put big explosions or sensationalist titles for clickbaits unlike 99% of other techtubers.
Don't know how to compare my 3080 Ti to that for now but this is acceptable performances. Before even enabling AMD frame gen. For those wondering, yes, Cyberpunk 2077 overdrive is playable at 1440p based on this optimum test.
That was easy wasn't it?
Again, don't care about 5070 Ti performance next to it, I do not want to pay close to $1k for that turd. Can't believe it was as hard as finding a pin in a haystack to find an overdrive performance metric.
Boo Who?
Member
Nope.
Path tracing benchmarks were conspicuously absent from the 5000 series reviews also. While, in the 5080 review Rich said: "we've got limited access to path traced games in the review period", and proceeded only to test percentage performance differentials at different DLSS levels in Cyberpunk PT, with no absolute figures given. To me that implies that Nvidia themselves are preventing access to the PT benchmarks, perhaps because Blackwell fares worse relative to Ada in math/VRAM limited applications.
Buggy Loop
Member
DF put almost 15 mins non stop video of 5070 Ti path tracing
Either way, I got 1 dude so far who benched 9070XT overdrive so that's a start.
iQuasarLV
Member
Where have I said that no path tracing no merit? Merit of what? Why are you so fucking keen that these cards have no merit in path tracing? I'll repeat again, leaked benchmarks for cyberpunk 2077 overdrive seemed promising
But sure, let's bundle up >18 games in raster as if we can't tell exactly where it is located in raster against competition. Not a single one to know where it is located for path tracing, not one. Brilliant journalism. Brilliant.
What a nice way to test a new architecture promising a total revamp for RT/PT. RDNA 4 should easily score above 200% gain in PT compared to RDNA 3. Fucking odd to omit that.
MSI GeForce RTX 5070 Ti Ventus MSRP card review - Interesting chip for gamers and the end of the GPU shortage? | Page 10 | igor´sLAB
With the RTX 5070 Ti, NVIDIA has now launched a new graphics card on the market that is intended to position itself in the mid-range and promises both performance and modern features. The MSI RTX 5070…
Nvidia RTX 5070 Ti Review ft. MSI - KitGuru
January saw the launch of both the RTX 5090 and RTX 5080, but today the 50 series rollout continues
Nvidia GeForce RTX 5070 Ti review: bad start, decent GPU
Our RTX 5070 Ti review reveals a capable high-end GPU that's currently being let down by its excessive launch pricing.
(alan wake 2 PT)
MSI GeForce RTX 5070 Ti Vanguard SOC Review
The MSI GeForce RTX 5070 Ti Vanguard comes with the most powerful cooling solution tested today. It's also the quietest card and runs at lower temperatures than any other model—out of the box, no BIOS switch required. Performance is excellent, too, but pricing is very high.www.techpowerup.com
(minecraft path tracing)
Nvidia GeForce RTX 5070 Ti review: A proper high-end GPU, if you can find it at MSRP
A decent upgrade from the RTX 4070 Ti, but a smaller bump from the 4070 Ti Super.www.tomshardware.com
In the meantime, I can't gamble on a card where I have 0, zero information on titles that interest me to upgrade to begin with. Don't even bother replying again if its to say "buT I doNT CArE aBoUT PT?".
Why proceed to show weeks old reviews and videos with nothing to do in context to this review thread. This is a 9070 review thread. Its as if you are flinging things at the wall just to see what sticks to point a finger and yell, "Hah, see? They do review pathtracing. So shut the fuck up!"
How does that have any bearing on my two points that
A. These cards suck for what you want them to do. Pathtracing without MFG max and DLSS at the lowest level will get you 60fps
2. No reviewer that is listed in this thread nor in my pointed to references used pathtracing in their reviews. You seem to think it is some conspiracy on AMD's part that they were not allowed to include pathtracing in their reviews. All of them? Ever. Single. One. From today's RX 9070 XT reviews?
Yes, but with absolute performance figures?DF put almost 15 mins non stop video of 5070 Ti path tracing
Buggy Loop
Member
There's no x70 reviews with path tracing
I find x70 reviews from a few weeks ago with path tracing.
"No, not like that!"
I found my video that benchmarked the card in overdrive for 9070XT, NOT THANKS TO YOU.
No the performance does not suck. The card has ~58 fps in 1440p before any frame gen. A lot of peoples will be interested to know about this. Why put under the rug? What a weird fucking defense you have here.
Don't even bother replying. Never seen something like this in a review thread. I critiqued Gamers nexus and hardware unboxed also for any Nvidia reviews they skip path tracing benchmarks too in the past. These tech "journalists" are a fucking joke.
iQuasarLV
Member
Shit, you found one. I have to say I am shocked the 9070 xt can do that at 1440p Balanced. There is still room there for more fps before frame gen. I just may get a 5th playthrough in pure RT mode this go-round.
Good catch.
Buggy Loop
Member
Uh? It goes from native → DLSS Perf with MFG in all cases in their usual benchmark scripted path.
Native information as being playable or not does not make any fucking sense for cyberpunk overdrive. You WILL use upscalers and if you have FG? Might as well use it too. Its not an esport game.
There's also tweaks to optimize outside of overdrive settings to improve further.
Just ignoring it is mind blowing attitude to me.
9070XT has playable framerates for cyberpunk 2077 overdrive. I suggest any new buyers of that card to test it out and optimize around it. It's a generational leap in visuals.
I thought they were just percentages but I just checked and they do give frame rates. It still is strange that there is no comparison to other GPUs.