Radical_3d
Member
Imagine paying the nVidia tax and ending with this combination of pixelation and what seems to be an impressionist version of the image. Van Gogh am cry.
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Imagine paying the nVidia tax and ending with this combination of pixelation and what seems to be an impressionist version of the image. Van Gogh am cry.
FingerBang
Member
The stock of 9070 cards is apparently a few times the one all the Nvidia cards at launch, combined, but apparently only around 20% will be at MSRP and the average price will be something like $680. The 5070 is going to be a full paper launch, with fewer units than the 5090.
Retailers expect the 9070s to be restocked weekly.
Retailers expect the 9070s to be restocked weekly.
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
So, has it turned out that fsr4 is better than PSSR as I legit expected fsr4 just to be pssr with a different name 
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
It is probably related to PSSR (AMD deciding to get a joint venture going with SIE for ML/AI seems to speak well of Sony’s efforts there) but it takes a similar per frame cost on a more powerful GPU (faster and newer CUs, more CUs, faster memory [Infinity Cache] and more time in the oven…). More resource hungry and delivering better results, it seems understandableSo, has it turned out that fsr4 is better than PSSR as I legit expected fsr4 just to be pssr with a different name
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FingerBang
Member
You should be able to get one easily. But I bet the MSRP ones will be gone in minutes
64gigabyteram
Reverse groomer.
Remember- It's AMD. It'll be shocking if ANY card sells out.
I'm half-joking by the way. There have been many instances where AMD mollywhopped Nvidia for price-to-performance and still lost at the end of it all.
I want gamers to wisen the fuck up and buy this thing in droves, but I also don't want them to because I like lots of stock and big discounts.
Lucifers Beard
Member
I'm so torn as to whether the 9070XT would be the right purchase to replace my 3080. I'm gonna hold out for a bit I think, but path tracing at 60+FPS seems great if some of the other settings are lowered. It really feels like the GPU upgrades are much smaller gen on gen for the last few years. I wonder whether this will be the case moving forward now...
FingerBang
Member
Well, normally I would agree with you, but the ridiculous stock situation caused by Nvidia means there's A LOT of people for which the 9070xt will be the best option and the ONLY option for their upgrade.
If you want more than a 7800xt, you can't buy any card at a reasonable price right now. And even at MSRP these cards are barely more powerful than the previous generation.
Here's a cars that gets you closer to what used to cost $1000 for 40% off.
Basically, unless you're looking for a 5090 (and you honestly shouldn't buy one for gaming), the 9070xt is probably what you want instead of a 5070, 5070ti and a 5080. The MSRP versions will evaporate in minutes, the others will probably last a few days.
un1que
Member
I’m in the same boat. Was going to go all out for an rtx5090 till I saw all the issues, prices, etc. if I could get one near cost I’d probably bite but it’s mental
Autistic_Pancake
Neo Member
Chinese review (极客湾Geekerwan):
FingerBang
Member
The issue with the 3080 unfortunately is still the amount of VRAM. If that doesn't bother you because of the games/resolution you play at, then it's fine, but it will definitely be a big issue moving forward.
The 9070XT is mostly a nice jump up from the 3080, but I agree it's disappointing 2 generations later. The 5080 at MSRP would be a great option, but it might take a few months for stock to stabilize and you're getting 15/20% more performance (and stronger upscaling/RT) paying 70% more.
It really comes down to how much money you're willing to spend and what kind of performance you're looking for.
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Lukaku's First Touch
Member
I have a RTX3090 but don't think it's worth upgrading for only 30% extra power. i'll sit this one out. I can run most games on my ultra wide 2k with DLSS at 90fps which is fine by me.
Ogbert
Member
I’m going for the 9070xt.
Feels like the workhorse card that offers the right balance of cost vs performance well into next gen.
And as ever with performance tests, you drop a couple of settings here and there and the frame rates jump up again. I have zero interest in Wu Kong’s raytracing test. It’s simply a demo and has little relation to practical gaming.
un1que
Member
4k 60 with all the bells and whistles is all I’m asking for.. why’s it cost so much to get there
Luipadre
Member
In 2.5 hours i thinkSo.......where are the GPUs?
ResilientBanana
Member
Which is possible if you buy a founders edition.
dgrdsv
Member
Combination of what? DLSS TNN just outputs higher detail here than either DLSS3 or FSR4. And this is typical in all comparisons I've seen.
Imagine paying the nVidia tax and ending with this combination of pixelation and what seems to be an impressionist version of the image. Van Gogh am cry.
FSR4 seem to trade blows with DLSS CNN but it is definitely worse than the TNN.
Nankatsu
Gold Member
These are MSRP for the reference models, Sapphire however has 2 "Pulse" versions they sell for MSRP. Availability is another question, though, hence I am saying "if you can get one"
Verfügbarkeit und Preise: Hier gibt es AMD Radeon RX 9070 XT und RX 9070 zu kaufen
Wir informieren, wo es AMD Radeon RX 9070 XT und Radeon RX 9070 zu welchem Preis ab Lager zu kaufen gibt.www.computerbase.de
You'll have to wait another 12 hours before you can buy them.
Jesus, what is Asus smoking? More 210€ on the TUF Gaming OC model?
My GRE is an Asus TUF Gaming OC model, but I bought it for 570€ back then.
One of the big retailers here in Sweden gave some deets on MSRP prices, confirming it's a limited launch price:
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Gen.Grievous
Member
Very good price but several outlets mentioned that AMD is basically sponsoring the stores to have cards at MSRP but after those are sold they will go up with like 10% or more. So if you're in the market for an MSRP card you may need to act quick.
How could it not be better? It's running on much newer hardware.So, has it turned out that fsr4 is better than PSSR as I legit expected fsr4 just to be pssr with a different name
ValiantInstance
Member
Not gonna lie I like the look of that Sapphire Nitro, but I already have a 7900XT. If I could click my fingers and trade them for 150 I would but shifting a GPU is hard work without a box.
twilo99
Member
Yes.
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
Ok, mr twitter person...but what about all the other parts? Cooler, substrate, PCB, Ports, Packaging and shipping.
Never mind R&D.
Some people are dumb as fuck.
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Corporal.Hicks
Member
I thought the 9070XT was supposed to go head-to-head with the RTX4080, even in RT. What's happened? It seems that leakers have been spreading fake benchmarks and naive people really believed them.
Worse perfomance in raster compared to the 4080.
Much worse in RT
And still one generation behind in PT
In cyberpunk Harwade Unboxed used only standard RT instead of PT byt still there's quite a big gap
Worse perfomance in raster compared to the 4080.
Much worse in RT
And still one generation behind in PT
In cyberpunk Harwade Unboxed used only standard RT instead of PT byt still there's quite a big gap
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Bojji
Member
I thought the 9070XT was supposed to go head-to-head with the RTX4080, even in RT. What's happened? It seems that leakers have been spreading fake benchmarks and naive people really believed them.
Worse perfomance in raster compared to the 4080.
Much worse in RT
And still one generation behind in PT
In cyberpunk Harwade Unboxed used only standard RT instead of PT byt still there's quite a big gap
Yeah, as always with AMD some people were too optimistic. BUT I think overall 9070XT is a very good GPU and worth buying IF the price is right.
Nankatsu
Gold Member
WELL EUROPE FOLKS, LET THE SCALPING BEGIN.
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Reizo Ryuu
Member
They aren't supposed to go on sale until 1500 CET, which is 75 minutes from now; whatever that store is you linked looks lik it's trying to scalp.
delishcaek
Member
At least wait until the card releases which is 70 minutes from now.
WELL EUROPE FOLKS, LET THE SCALPING BEGIN.
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Nankatsu
Gold Member
Yeah, it's scalping. I edited the post, because it's sold on their marketplace and I didn't noticed it.
It's not a L for us, at least for now.
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Luipadre
Member
They can fuck off with prices like that
WELL EUROPE FOLKS, LET THE SCALPING BEGIN.
LordBritish
Member
amazon had the sapphire nitro + for $799 for a bit, no thanks.... $649 is my max
twilo99
Member
Reizo Ryuu
Member
It's not out yet officially, wait another 40 minutes
Donald mac Ronald
Member
If AMD can deliver similar 507ti performance for nearly half the price . Then that's a win.
Luipadre
Member
Why would they put up a fake price 1 hour before launch. I have no faith in todays gpu market, its fucked
Reizo Ryuu
Member
It's not a fake price if they can get people to buy it and make a huge profit from fomo.
CrustyBritches
Gold Member
Well, good luck to everyone. 
ValiantInstance
Member
I can still add to cart 50 minutes after you posted this. Seems this won't be a paper launch.
WELL EUROPE FOLKS, LET THE SCALPING BEGIN.
Edit: Just clocked the price, never mind. Built in scalping
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rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Not bad. Considering changing my 3080 12GB to this.
ValiantInstance
Member
Weirdly the 4K average is a lot closer to the 4080. I presume it's some kind of memory bandwith constraint, I'm no expert.I thought the 9070XT was supposed to go head-to-head with the RTX4080, even in RT. What's happened? It seems that leakers have been spreading fake benchmarks and naive people really believed them.
Worse perfomance in raster compared to the 4080.
Much worse in RT
And still one generation behind in PT
In cyberpunk Harwade Unboxed used only standard RT instead of PT byt still there's quite a big gap
And yes these benches are from Hardware Unboxed.
SolidQ
Member
Because for RDNA4 higher res = better perf