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- Jeff Carlisle for ESPNFC: Bruce Arena, DaMarcus Beasley and more on Landon Donovan's early years
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American Soccer |OT| Life, liberty and the pursuit of the beautiful game
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Yeah, plus it's confusing that RBNY have bulls on their logo and so do FC Dallas. Two teams can't rock the same animal...
I really dig the Crew's new crest. Man that is nice.
#ComeHomeJo-
Goddamnit.
#ComeHomeJo-
Goddamnit.
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The NYC inside nycfc's is really distracting. I think if they got rid of that it would go along way. But that won't happen.
Two clubs playing within a stone's throw of the country's most iconic skyline and no one references it. Its sad.
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Yep. NYCFC really missed their opportunity...
Quick 5 minute fix. Add in some other buildings cause I was incredibly lazy and you'd be set.
Yuck.
Couldn't even do it with 7(?!) minutes of stoppage time. Lol.
... don't deserve to be in the playoffs. Hoping you guys finally put us out for good this Saturday so I can officially stop caring.
Cornballer
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Lots of players missing for the Quakes vs the Timbers tonight. This won't be pretty:
Super happy to see this. I'm at the game. Even the bench is a disaster. We really need this game. If we don't win I honestly don't think we are gonna make it to the playoffs.
Cornballer
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Heh, have fun.
At this point, I just hope the Quakes kids get some playing time in the remaining games. I'm ready for this season to be over - bring on 2015.
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At least put the crest on there or something.
NihonTiger90
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It's intentional and meant to reflect Columbus' large German heritage; at their peak, the city's population was one-third German immigrants.
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I can't believe how lackluster the TFC performance was. They knew they needed to win that game. What a joke. Same shit every year.
Cornballer
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Bummer about Green still being injured. He needs to bulk up a little.
Cornballer
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Let's get it done! We'll be without Cahill, Oyongo, and Miller though
Petke is thinking of starting Armando as a LB
Eckersley is most likely going to get another turn. I don't think Duvall is in the doghouse as much as it's fatigue. This is his first season outside of college soccer which is 16-20 games if I'm not mistaken.
Cornballer
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- Jeff Carlisle: Sources: Juan Agudelo gets Wolverhampton Wanderers trial
I think him and Brek Shea are best bros
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All these years later I still chuckle at what a fucking moron that guy is.
After 11 I don't like most of those, actually. Though Cansas and Houston should really be higher. I'm surprised that Montreal didn't get more votes for best logo, but then again I imagine people vote for the logo of the team they like most.
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Pretty much agree with most of the list. I would probably rank Columbus' a little higher.
I absolutely love Orlando City's though.
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- Noah Davis at Grantland: Is the U.S. Mens National Team Getting Better?
Both choices for NYCFC were ugly as sin, they never had a chance as far as getting a good crest goes.
Very surprised that haskar hasn't posted this yet.
Donovan lying about multiple things? Shocking stuff.
Sorry to disappoint you, busy day... but if I'm being called out by name:
I think Klismann has pretty much proven through is comments to be full of shit over the last few years (confirming what others like Lahm have said about him). It's a bit frustrating for those who actually believe words have meanings, although it is amusing to watch his personality cult engage in mental gymnastics to justify his bizarre decisions based on his comments like amateur Kremlinologists. Klinsmann's statements are about as internally consistent as your average thousand-plus year old religious text. Of course those holy books are followed by billions of people so I'm not surprised self-loathing Eurosnobs (granted some others are just suffering from Stockholm Syndrome) believe everything he says just because he was once a star Euro player (it's true he's a better coach than other former stars like Maradona or #1 worst MLS coach Ruud Gullit, but then Klinsmann did unleash #4 on that list Aron Winter on the league).
What's really amusing about this comment is that anyone who expressed agreement with Donovan's position did so when it was the only one out there, and now you're mocking those people for circlejerking while simultaneously buying into the other position now that there are two competing (and mutually exclusive, barring some strange timing stuff and LD not checking his email) stories.
Personally I'm willing to consider all evidence. I can't think of any case over the last decade where Donovan has straight up made false statements, but who knows maybe he is a liar as well (whitney houston receipts . gif)... are there any examples you'd like to share? From what I've observed, Donovan is far too honest, from publicly discussing his mental fatigue before his infamous hiatus (that mostly coincided with the offseason and caused him to miss 3.5 of the Galaxy's league games) to handing Klinsmann the rope to hang him with his pre-WC comments in that ESPN video series, as if not being the same player he used to be meant he's not still better than a guy like Brad Davis will ever be. With Klinsmann, on the other hand, it seems to me like there is almost no connection between what he says and does. Since I asked for examples from Donovan, here's one I dug up, reaching way back to October 7 of the year 2014:
"We left quite a few of the experienced players out because we want to give the younger players a chance to break in. Guys like...Chris Wondolowski...are not in this roster...simply because we want to see the youngsters make their point." -Klinsmann October 6, 2014
Chris Wondolowski added to USA roster for friendly vs. Ecuador -October 7, 2014... because when you're giving younger players a chance to break in why call up Andrew Wooten or Jack McInerney or half a dozen guys who wouldn't be 35 in Russia.
You seem pretty sure of that, based on... who knows what.
When Klinsmann left Donovan out of hex games following his hiatus, saying he had to work his way back into the team, he completely dominated the 2013 Gold Cup like few have dominated a tournament before. And then in the hex he had both the goal and assist in the 2-0 win over Mexico to clinch qualification.
Also, Donovan didn't start in back to back games elimination games for the US at a tournament once: the quarterfinal and semifinal of the 2011 Gold Cup. He came in as a substitute and made the game-winning assist to Dempsey in the 1-0 semifinal win over Panama:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxbYvmAdI0I
Still, it was up in the air whether he'd start the final against Mexico or not. According to Bradley:
Donovan's reaction before the game:
Donovan's reaction in the game:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTjxVoLGxyw
(by the way he was also right there at the far post on Bradley's header, just in case)
But hey if you say he'd be an "absolute cancer" who can dispute that rock solid argument....
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On another note, I find it interesting that some people are so ready to believe what some anonymous source at US Soccer told Alexi Lalas and that he tweeted out (does the source have first hand knowledge? has he seen the email or have proof of the phone call? or is that just what he has been told?). I assume those same people must really be convinced that Klinsmann is a completely incompetent coach based on Brian Straus' 5,000+ word Sporting News article which had 22 sources....
In that case there was good reason for the anonymity, Klinsmann is running things and could really harm someone's career if they publicly spoke out against him. I'm not sure why anonymity is necessary here, Donovan has no real power (see: getting left off the WC roster) and his international career will be over in another 30 minutes. People discussing what kind of guy he is have nothing to really gain (aside from Arena for a couple more months, we'll have to see if he comes out with a Lahm-style book exposing Donovan as a fraud once the season ends).
Donovan pretty much publicly accused Klinsmann of being a two faced liar, if Klinsmann can provide evidence (emails, voicemails) that Donovan is lying to harm his reputation, he should do so to reputable journalists, what could even diehard "Donovan circlejerkers" do at that point but accept it?
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EDIT: MYSTERY SOLVED
Brian Straus @BrianStraus
Klinsmann says he hadn't talked to LD since May. He left msgs on LD's cell, but number was changed. His son sent email to an old address.
6:33 PM - 10 Oct 2014
May... that was well before the World Cup, hell the cuts from camp were near the end of May. That seems to back up Donovan comment that they haven't spoken since the summer.
So Klinsmann and his son didn't have Donovan's current phone number or email address? It must be tough for the US national team coach and technical director to get that kind of up-to-date contact info for a professional soccer player, maybe they got off Donovan's old geocities homepage instead asking US Soccer or the LA Galaxy... hilarous.
I don't think this has been posted...
Minnesota United bolsters potential MLS bid with Twins, T-Wolves backing
Speaking of logos, I'd love to see Minnesota and Sacramento both in MLS, two of my favorite lower division logos:
More:
MLS officials meet with United, Vikings; Twins owner sits in with first group
Minnesota United bolsters potential MLS bid with Twins, T-Wolves backing
Speaking of logos, I'd love to see Minnesota and Sacramento both in MLS, two of my favorite lower division logos:
More:
MLS officials meet with United, Vikings; Twins owner sits in with first group
Should be sponsored by Bangbros
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Well you were also the person who disparaged any "Klinsmann fanboys" as you so put it.
All I'm saying is I can totally believe Donovan acting like a petulant child. It happens all the time with sports stars and well, stars in general, especially ones that have been fellated by the media as "the best ever" and blah blah blah (not that he isn't the face of american soccer, nor it's best player). He took being left off the team personally and he knows he will have the american sports media under his thumb no matter what happens.
But we can't be critical of Donovan lest we be called "Klinsmann fanboys", sooooo....
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Not that it really matters at this point. Something happened when Donovan was left off the team. What it is is neither here nor there anymore. He's retiring. He's being honored tomorrow night end of story. If Landon was not fit, for whatever reason in Klinsmann's eyes to play in the world cup, then so be it. It's done and over with.
Gonna add some actual news:
Gonna add some actual news:
Cornballer
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Folks, if you're arguing with someone else in the thread, just make sure you're addressing their argument rather than hurling insults, generalizing about other posters by labeling them as fanboys, or complaining about their circlejerk. I'm sure you get the point, but feel free to PM me if you have any questions. Thank you.
Cornballer
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A couple more snippets from the presser:
There should be a few articles out later.
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Regarding Klinsman's tactical acumen, I really don't know who to believe here. One of the most highly regarded German players of his era or Juergen Klinsman?
Soo... no actual evidence that you can provide, then? Just that "you can totally see it" because "sports stars"? You do realize Klinsmann was also a pretty big sports star, right?
The media will hardly care about Donovan in mere months, he will no longer be playing for club or country and has like negative charisma. If Klinsmann provides actual evidence of phone calls and emails, what's the "under Donovan's thumb media" going to do, not report it? He is the coach of the national team through 2018, not some powerless victim.
Not just Lahm:
http://www.sportingnews.com/soccer/...ach-national-team-usa-american-world-cup-2013
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You'll noticed I haven't said anything about Klinsmann handling this yet, nor have I said anything remotely related to "well Donovan acting like a jackass is totally 100% true", just that it's totally possible Donovan isn't a freaking saint in this whole thing like everyone is making him out to be. No idea why you're getting all defensive about this. I just pointed out my opinion on the issue with no definitive about who was right and who was wrong and you seem to be taking a huge issue with me not being 100% enamored with Donovan or believing that he is 100% the victim in this...
And yes, I am completely aware of Klinsmann's career and what he's done. No I'm not saying he's been vindicated by sourced tweeted by Lalas. Nor am I saying he is infallible, nor he's the greatest thing to happen to American Soccer...
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Who's going to the game tomorrow? Want to meet up?
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