Isn't there one guy who posts about the El Salvadoran national team sometime too?
Also me...
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Also me...
Ooh alright I had a feeling it was you but wasn't sure.
We originally made it "American" instead of "US" so people could discuss other stuff, Canada was even added to the OP. People can already comment on Canada, Liga MX, Cuba, Central America... it's not like anyone is stopping them. I don't think we need to change the title, though. And this way someone like Verano doesn't have carte blanche to come here and troll US fans...
ActStriker
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Jozy didn't go through allocation
Garber pls
Garber pls
shoplifter
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What a joke.
smokeandmirrors
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Allocation matters, until it doesn't.
*sigh*
*sigh*
NT DPs who didn't have to go through allocation: Dempsey, Bradley, Jones
NT DPs who had to go through allocation: Beasley, Edu
NT non-DPs who had to go through allocation: Diskerud, Shea, Goodson, Parkhurst, Feilhaber, Bocanegra, EJ, Demerit, etc.
The differences between all three groups are just the salary levels. So shouldn't Altidore be in the first group based on his salary (assuming it's in the multi-millions)?
This actually makes more sense than Jozy having to go through allocation, based on past cases. I believe the league has even clarified this already, maybe when Edu came over and had to go through allocation?
NT DPs who had to go through allocation: Beasley, Edu
NT non-DPs who had to go through allocation: Diskerud, Shea, Goodson, Parkhurst, Feilhaber, Bocanegra, EJ, Demerit, etc.
The differences between all three groups are just the salary levels. So shouldn't Altidore be in the first group based on his salary (assuming it's in the multi-millions)?
This actually makes more sense than Jozy having to go through allocation, based on past cases. I believe the league has even clarified this already, maybe when Edu came over and had to go through allocation?
shoplifter
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Or maybe there just shouldn't be any levels
Should and shouldn't are different from are and aren't. As of now, it's in the MLS rules:
MLS Roster Rules and Regulations
I'm sure Jozy's salary is more in the Dempsey / Bradley / Jones range than the Beasley / Edu / Mix range, so that makes sense...
shoplifter
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Of a certain threshold just means whatever the league wants it to mean at the specific time they want it to mean what they want it to mean.
If it meant anything there would be actual numbers attached to it.
If it meant anything there would be actual numbers attached to it.
Except if you look at the salaries of the players on either side of the line, "a certain threshold" is clearly based on that. There are guys making multiple millions who are not subject to allocation, and there are guys making six figures to a million who are subject to allocation.
It's consistent across every case. So how exactly is it being arbitrarily applied?
It's consistent across every case. So how exactly is it being arbitrarily applied?
shoplifter
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Clearly state how it is defined.
Edit: I'm hitting the sack, we can agree to disagree for now. My bottom line is that it's time for the league to grow up and play by big boy rules if they want to retain any kind of credibility.
Edit: I'm hitting the sack, we can agree to disagree for now. My bottom line is that it's time for the league to grow up and play by big boy rules if they want to retain any kind of credibility.
If they had put a tree on it everyone would be thinking Christmas.
I think he'll do better than 9, especially if Toronto gets their shit together this season.
jamesinclair
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I read this thread and I have never heard of him before this week
Dr Campino
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I don't know how to feel as a huge TFC fan. If Defoe didn't want to be here, then I'm glad he's gone. I just hope Jozy stays healthy.
He's done poorly in Spain and England but he tore up the Eredivisie and was really good in MLS and unlike Defoe he won't bitch out mid-season.
Dr Campino
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I'm positive he was partially responsible for that 5-0 last game of the season defeat of TFC back when we could've made the playoffs.
Hasphat'sAnts
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Must be nice to flame out spectacularly in Europe but still cop a nice pay day in the MLS.
Grover Cleveland
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Jurgen Klinsmann today
Although I'm sure even he would argue that Jozy getting regular playing time in Toronto is better than sitting on the bench watching Sunderland crash and burn.
Although I'm sure even he would argue that Jozy getting regular playing time in Toronto is better than sitting on the bench watching Sunderland crash and burn.
Jurgen Klinsmann today
Although I'm sure even he would argue that Jozy getting regular playing time in Toronto is better than sitting on the bench watching Sunderland crash and burn.
I don't see how anyone could argue staying with Sunderland was the best option. Especially considering how well his form from the Eredivisie carried over to the national team.
smokeandmirrors
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Well why don't we ask Jurgen himself what he thinks:
http://www.si.com/planet-futbol/201...ann-talks-jozy-altidore-usmnt-transfer-advice
http://www.si.com/planet-futbol/201...ann-talks-jozy-altidore-usmnt-transfer-advice
smokeandmirrors
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Klinsy be all about that Zelalem lyfe.
and nothing unreasonable was said.
Dr Campino
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Possibly. I have held a slight grudge against Kandji since that time, too. Though it's more like disappointment in TFC.
Finally, Revs news!
yay
Seriously tho, If this is real I actually like it. Would buy
That green. Why?
That stank Jozy left in England. I love Jozy, but he is not worth anywhere near 10 mil...
Cornballer
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The year after that he scored the game-winning goal for Colorado in the worst MLS Cup ever. He injured himself on the play and I haven't heard much of him since.
For some reason someone makes Kandji highlight videos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeqXtdQWvQ4
A little something for the Portuguese Americans.
ActStriker
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The green looks awful used in that way. It should remain minute. Leave it on the flag on the back of the Jersey only.
E: Throwing this in here to avoid the double post:
Surprised this hasn't been discussed:
http://prosoccertalk.nbcsports.com/...igning-juventus-playmaker-sebastian-giovinco/
In terms of name recognition and age, this would be arguably as big a signing as MLS has ever had on an international scale (i.e. people outside the US who don't follow the league). Giovinco has been a bit frozen out at Juve in the past two seasons but would absolutely have many admirers in Europe still. For him to come to MLS at this point would be a major coup.
http://prosoccertalk.nbcsports.com/...igning-juventus-playmaker-sebastian-giovinco/
In terms of name recognition and age, this would be arguably as big a signing as MLS has ever had on an international scale (i.e. people outside the US who don't follow the league). Giovinco has been a bit frozen out at Juve in the past two seasons but would absolutely have many admirers in Europe still. For him to come to MLS at this point would be a major coup.
Cornballer
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A couple rumors from Galarcep:
jamesinclair
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Jurgen should consider looking at what happens to team Brazil when the coach decides he only wants players in Europe.
He should also look at team germany that relies on almost all domestic players.
You're probably right. Chemistry has more of an impact on a national team than talent in the long run, but I will say that it's not wrong of Jurgen to ask his players to play with the best, especially when we're a developing team.
With Brazil, the guys from the Brazilian league were pretty terrible by all accounts so I don't think this is a very good example. Some of their European selections were strange though (no Miranda or Luis).
Your German example is technically a good one but obviously the scenarios with the actual quality of the leagues and the quality of the teams those guys are on could not be any farther apart if they tried so it's a bit tenuous. There is a precedent for staying in the Bundesliga if you want to be recognized for the German national team though so maybe years down the line the USMNT will have a similar one and the quality to match. It'd be a very impressive feat.
I guess since the subject was brought up, I've been thinking about the thread as well for a couple weeks.
In roughly 3 weeks, this thread will be 1 year old. We don't have to do a new thread until 20k posts.
However, what do people want? We could wait until 20k and open an OT2 when it comes time and carry on straight into the new thread with no new main OP? Or we could be proactive and do updates now so it will be ready with some new info reflecting the 2014 season and things coming in 2015?
Do you guys want a new OP for each year? Would people like more information? Would people like less information? Does someone else want to have a go at the OP or I could update it again? Thoughts?
In roughly 3 weeks, this thread will be 1 year old. We don't have to do a new thread until 20k posts.
However, what do people want? We could wait until 20k and open an OT2 when it comes time and carry on straight into the new thread with no new main OP? Or we could be proactive and do updates now so it will be ready with some new info reflecting the 2014 season and things coming in 2015?
Do you guys want a new OP for each year? Would people like more information? Would people like less information? Does someone else want to have a go at the OP or I could update it again? Thoughts?
The Brazil team that lost to the eventual winners in the semi final? I doubt Jurgen would have minded that outcome. No one in Brazil was calling for a mass return of players to their domestic league after that 7-1 match, they lamented the lack of players with the quality to start at top European clubs. Russia's 23 was the only entirely domestic squad at the world cup and they had a woeful tournament.
And the point of note from the winning Germany squad is that all of the players play in one of Europe's top 4 leagues for clubs that regularly qualify for the Champions League. Their players mainly came from Bayern Munich, Borussia Dortmund, Lazio, Real Madrid, Chelsea and Arsenal. The Argentina squad they faced in the final was similarly biased towards Europe's top clubs with most of their players coming from clubs like Inter, PSG, Barca, Real Madrid, Man City and Napoli. Being good enough to play for the top clubs in the top European leagues was the linking factor for success, the fact that that group of clubs includes some domestic teams for Germany (but doesn't for Argentina, Belgium, Holland, Brazil, ect) isn't particularly relevant to their success and Klinsmann knows that.
jamesinclair
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The English team has a lot of players in the English league.
And they're always terrible.
The Dutch team has a lot of players in the no name Dutch league.
And they're great.
And they're always terrible.
The Dutch team has a lot of players in the no name Dutch league.
And they're great.
The English team is comprised of the only English players left in the English league.
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