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I knoooowwwwwww, my room has been filled with tears of joy since this morning. Greatest of days indeed
I am with you. And looks ugly too. Making everything black is not a style, its just lazy.
I can understand AOSP fans (its a political statement), but stock fans makes no sense to me.
Vyse The Legend
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If the Nexus pricing stays the same, yearly updates are a no-brainer for me. $300 off-contract is a steal.
The Faceless Master
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no, ADM doesn't work if the phone is wiped, and yes, apps that do require root for this feature because they are converted to being System apps on the system partition and that isn't cleared by a wipe.
cuevas. PhD.
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Hopefully they keep the nexus 4 as a cheap phone with a new nexus 5 that has LG2 type specs and each getting yearly update like the tablets.
/dreams
/dreams
I have my doubts it will be $300 cheap.
Maybe $450.00 off contract with those specs.
cuevas. PhD.
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I've never seen a n4 ad, do they spend any money promoting the thing?
I updated Lite Flow this morning, turned on the notifications thing for it, now the light doesn't go on for my email. Used to work fine before this update with the "janky" way of doing it.
Update: used to run Lite Flow in "root mode". Unchecked that with this new 4.3 notifications thing and it seems to work fine now.
The Faceless Master
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so yeah, about Google and MTP and SD Cards etc...
Lenovo IdeaTab A1000 update gives a much needed boost to internal storage
this is one of the reasons why they moved away from the whole SD and USB MSC (UMS) functionality
Lenovo IdeaTab A1000 update gives a much needed boost to internal storage
this is one of the reasons why they moved away from the whole SD and USB MSC (UMS) functionality
Psychotext
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Does anyone know if android works well with exchange? I'm using my tablet more and more these days and I'm wondering if it's worth linking it up to my exchange account.
If the built in stuff doesn't, are there any apps that are particularly good with it? (Specifically in regard to calendaring)
If the built in stuff doesn't, are there any apps that are particularly good with it? (Specifically in regard to calendaring)
Nope.
Well, other than placing it on the Google front page for about a month and plastering it on the Gmail front page now.
Saw this, and 1.5GB is still ridiculously low. IIRC, the system takes about about 400MB of it, so you are effectively left with a little over a gig of storage for apps. Lenovo pretty much shot themselves in the foot with this thing over storage usage...
Vyse The Legend
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People said the same thing last year. The Nexus 4 was one of the first phones, if not the first phone, to sport a S4 Pro, which was a top-of-the-line, cutting-edge processor at the end of 2012. It also had every feature under the sun sans out-of-the-box LTE (wireless charging, NFC, etc.). Yet, it was only $300 due to Google subsidizing the cost.
If they do subsidize again, the Nexus 5 could easily hit the same price mark, and considering the Nexus 4 is in the top-10 of a recent usage survey, I'm sure Google is keen on keeping the Nexus line going. The N4 was a home run for them.
Have you seen those AT&T commercial with the guy talking to the little kids? What's better? Fast or slow? How about 1080 vs 720?
You can take Apple's claim that anything above 300 ppi doesn't matter, but all of the reviews still say the Galaxy S4 and HTC One have nicer screens. The reviews I've read for the Motorola X basically say the screen doesn't suck. What would you rather have? A beautiful 1080 screen or a screen that doesn't suck? C'mon, you can say it - we all know.
At that price? Hell yeah!
They just introduced the Google Play devices into the mix. That's why I have my doubts they will be undercutting their own partners by so much.
njean777
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I am at a crossroads. I recently left Verizon and went to ATT as I was with them before and never had a problem, but I cannot decide on an HTC One or and Iphone 5. I know the 5s is coming, but I really could care less as apple usually takes care of their prior phones. Anywho I really love the design of the HTC One, but IDK if I can deal with the OS itself. Anybody in here who left the iphone for the htc?
Vyse The Legend
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If their partners want to subsidize their Play store versions, by all means, they can. Google has zero incentive to do it for them.
Prices for the Nexus line have gone down from phone to phone (Nexus One: 529; Nexus S: 529; Galaxy Nexus: 400; Nexus 4: 300). I don't see them spiking back up. I could see $400 for the high-end one, nothing more.
I'd go HTC One and replace the launcher.
If google sell the LG G2 at 299 and offer no expendability is going to drive me nuts. My podcast alone takes up more than 10gb.
Save me Sony/Samsung.
The Faceless Master
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10GB? holy shit! do you subscribe to every podcast that exists?
My roommate's girlfriend was in the same predicament. She went with the One but a few weeks later decided she didn't want to learn a new OS so she returned it for an iPhone 5 as you can do within 30 days, I believe. That seems like a good option. Personally, after switching from iOS to Android a few years ago I can never go back unless Apple makes huge changes. The Android OS is just so much more powerful and customization and I use all Google services so those are obviously integrated very well.
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Usability is the opposite of what skins offer.
People actually want software buttons? what the christ?
I don't need more screen real estate taken up by buttons.
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ThatObviousUser
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It's a design decision. Cutting out the unnecessary is harder than shoving as much crap as possible in and making it look as gaudy as possible.
Software buttons are the future for a reason.
#teamsoftbutt
I have an S3, and hardware buttons for the big 3 are just fine. By removing them and increasing them to 5.2 inches or whatever, you're really not getting any more real estate on a higher resolution screen for your homescreen/apps/whatever
Now, I'd like it a lot more if there were hardware buttons, then there'd be a ton of space to do shit.
The Faceless Master
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show me a phone with not enough bottom bezel for HW buttons.
even the extremely impressive LG G2 with over 76% screen or something ridiculous like that has enough space
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Yeah I wish that the S4 active came to Verizon purely for all hardware buttons. Even capacitive are inferior to a physical button.
impressive!
This one has no room for hw buttons, so it's enabled in the software.
edit: or i guess they just went capacitive buttons
MuddyDonut
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#teamtoolazytoflashsoijustslappednovaonthereandcalleditaday
The Faceless Master
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*looks @ screencap* Sprint S3 or Sprint Note 2?
MuddyDonut
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Firstly, quoting an AT&T commercial when arguing about phones? Really?
This has nothing to do with apples claim. Human visual acuity is 1 arc minute (This is a measurement of angle, so it's independent of distance) When you incorporate distance, you get a DPI/PPI measurement at that distance up to which the human eye can discern. It's basic math that at one foot and one arc minute that PPI is 300. Phones are almost always used at 1 foot or more (same as a magazine). There's a reason they don't print magazines above 300PPI, because it doesn't make a difference.
It's clear that those stuck in the spec trenches are so overcome with cognitive dissonance that the fact that some tech has reached the point that is simply good enough for 99% of humans won't appeal to them because samsung, apple, and htc's marketing teams have drilled the idea that SPECS=BETTER so far into their heads.
The screen certainly "doesn't suck":
Here's the first 4 reviews of the X from google ("moto x reviews) and what they have to say:
Giz:
BGR
Engadget:
Gigaom:
When I read that, "doesn't suck" Isn't the impression I get from any of them. I see "better than good enough", ie you won't notice a difference and in some cases it looked really good.
here's what you'll do since you don't want to believe this:
A) You'll attack the source: "Those aren't anandtech, I hate giz, blah blah blah, it's not true"
B) You'll cherry pick: "That one review said it's oversaturated because it's AMOLED!" well, we were talking about resolution, so what's that have to do with it?
The argument that the X is too expensive stems from the logic that "worse specs = cheaper". If you take that to be true, then sure, it's too expensive. But that's not how economics work. The phone would be too expensive if the utility provided by it was less than other phones providing the same utility. However, based on what I've read, the X offers equal utility wherever there are specs involved (the experience with the screen and with the processor is as good (or damned close) as the competition), and it offers GREATER utility everywhere else. Software experience, design experience, battery life.
At the end of the day, I'm buying a phone, and you guys are buying a processor and a screen. Enjoy it.
Nap I just count for you, 49 feeds. Split even between tech, movies reviews and games. Not a single twit feed btw.
I just like to keep 3 episodes on most feeds.
Anybody from the Bay Area? I'm really looking to jump into the Tmobile world, but the problem is, I pay for my family plan and most of my family lives up in the Bay Area, so I want to know what kind of service Tmobile gets up there, before I jump in and potentially throw away my Verizon unlimited.
ThatObviousUser
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How about good battery life? Something you can't get today with a 1080p screen and quad core processor.
The specs race isn't over yet but its time is at hand.
That AT&T commercial was all that needed to be said. You posted a long rant justifying the screen, when at the end of the day it's widely considered the S4 and One have better screens. I'll agree it's good enough. But what's better? Better screen or good enough? Just like the AT&T commercial.
I'm happy you like the phone. I like it too - just wish it was cheaper off contract. That's the argument.
The Galaxy S4 gets great battery life according to the reviews, probably the best outside of the Razr Maxx and Galaxy Note 2 at the time of its release.
http://blog.gsmarena.com/samsung-galaxy-s4-battery-tests-are-done-heres-how-it-did/
I want a phone with a 4k screen and a VW bug to haul the battery around in.
Ephemeris
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Brothers in arms.
I read that as Teams oft butt
I think I'm broken.
After all this back and forth I think I forgot, what's the off contract price? (honest question)
ThatObviousUser
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And reviews say that the Moto X far outclasses it when it comes to battery.
575/630 from ATT, or 700 from best buy.
AT&T has it somewhere around $650. I think everyone (including me - I like the phone, it's just the price) is hoping Motorola or Google will sell it direct for less. $300 like the Nexus and I'll definitely get one, $400 I think it's still worth owning.
of course I'd love it for less. The 16gb GS4 google play edition is $650, is that the going price or can you get it cheaper elsewhere?
Junior Mint
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As opposed to the cognitive dissonance that somehow has you convinced that paying more for less is good or that you're buying some sort of life-changing experience?
Look, most of us have already said we are fine with the specs. The pricing is just completely retarded. Look at it this way, put an S4 Pro and 720p in an HTC One - hell even price it the same as it is now - and I still take it over a Moto X. You still have an amazing design, better materials being used, bigger battery, still have the differentiating features (boomsound, IR), and best of all, it's already cheaper than the Moto X! When you add 1080p AND an S600 to the equation, I just can't see myself paying MORE for the Moto X.
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