To be honest, I only really care about the "stock" nature of the Nexus line insomuch as it means I get exceedingly timely system updates directly from Google. So long as whatever Nexus morphs into is still Google-controlled to the point where immediate (or nearly) OS updates come for it without a carrier or 3rd party manufacturer middleman making the process take months, then I will be content I think. It's not like Google's own UI design language will change because of this.
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osiris3355
Banned
No shit. He should just go work for Kirt McMaster
Huh? Nothing is going to change. People like the Nexus devices because of the clean os and fast updates and it will be exactly the same with the new phones.
This is just a way for Google to now differentiate the "Nexus/Gooogle" devices from other Android devices.
If anything this is a much better situation since google is putting more care into the phones. The worst part of the nexus devices is that they were starting from scratch every year. For the first time we may have a more iterative approach like Apple and Samsung.
The 'stock Android' label is becoming increasingly meaningless, anyway, unless 'stock' simply means AOSP. Google has gradually been severing more and more pieces of Android (or at least, Google's Android) from AOSP. As each version of Android gets released, more and more processes and APIs get untethered and get linked to either the Play Store or Google Play Services. System UI is next up on the chopping block.
Which makes sense given the horrendous state of fragmentation in the Android landscape (more devices are running Kit Kat today than Marshmallow. Kit Kat is 3 years old) so that way Google can ensure maximum compatibility for the apps that matter, but also it's a way of wielding as much power as possible over the experience by divorcing it from its open source roots.
In that sense the Google Android experience is just another interpretation of AOSP just like Touchwiz, not the 'Vanilla' pure experience we've been calling what ships on Nexus phones. If you want vanilla Android, you'll have to build it yourself and experience the increasingly barren wasteland of AOSP apps.
The genie is out of the bottle so Google can't undo the open source heart of Android, but I'm not sure if that's the path they'd follow if they were to do it again.
Which makes sense given the horrendous state of fragmentation in the Android landscape (more devices are running Kit Kat today than Marshmallow. Kit Kat is 3 years old) so that way Google can ensure maximum compatibility for the apps that matter, but also it's a way of wielding as much power as possible over the experience by divorcing it from its open source roots.
In that sense the Google Android experience is just another interpretation of AOSP just like Touchwiz, not the 'Vanilla' pure experience we've been calling what ships on Nexus phones. If you want vanilla Android, you'll have to build it yourself and experience the increasingly barren wasteland of AOSP apps.
The genie is out of the bottle so Google can't undo the open source heart of Android, but I'm not sure if that's the path they'd follow if they were to do it again.
Vanillalite
Ask me about the GAF Notebook
Probably would have tried to go with some form of BSD instead of Nix for licensing.
Either way they would need a starting point. There is a reason even mega companies like Google don't just create their own kernels for shit all the time.
Either way they would need a starting point. There is a reason even mega companies like Google don't just create their own kernels for shit all the time.
brotkasten
Member
I had to look that guy up and now you hurt my feelings, osiris.
But let me assure you, that it's not all black and white. Just because I want to remove Google's bloat from my phones, it doesn't mean that I hate them. Just like it doesn't mean that you work for Google or a Google company, just because you defend them so hard at every opportunity.
And now come here and let me give you a hug.
osiris3355
Banned
Funny. Speaking of defending google. What the hell happened to NotBacon?
The Faceless Master
Member
It all started when they sealed in the battery on the Note 5.
Nubia bringing their flagship to the US and europe next month.
http://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2016/8/31/12730434/the-nubia-z11-america-europe-release
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4gb ram 64gb storage, 6gb ram 128gb storage.
A bit pricey, but its cool that China is invading america full force. Competition is better for the consumers.
And more note 7 woes.
http://www.androidauthority.com/sam...pments-korea-possibly-due-fire-hazard-713668/
http://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2016/8/31/12730434/the-nubia-z11-america-europe-release
4gb ram 64gb storage, 6gb ram 128gb storage.
A bit pricey, but its cool that China is invading america full force. Competition is better for the consumers.
And more note 7 woes.
http://www.androidauthority.com/sam...pments-korea-possibly-due-fire-hazard-713668/
Jazzy Network
Member
Overpriced. Rather get an Honor 8 tbh. Hell even the Axon 7 is better and it's the same company!
alpinestars1980
Member
He's holed up in a bunker with his Nexus 6.
Veritigo_X
Member
Any 6P users getting random restarts after updating to 7.0? Once and awhile I'll check my phone and notice it's starting up again.
Time to throw away your smartphone now even though it works.
brotkasten
Member
Not to mention that every phone over 299 is worthless now, if it doesn't have that chip.
osiris3355
Banned
If your smartphone is encrypted and on the 808 or 810 than it doesnt work.
Jazzy Network
Member
Moto Z is $700? There are not enough laughs in the world to express how much of a joke that is.
pay premium to use expensive accessories and no headphone jack.
titiklabingapat
Member
I did that and it's still opening links in the app itself. What a POS app.
Looks like the Z Play has a headphone jack? That didn't last long. :lol
Crimson_Gold
Member
Happened to me in the middle of a call yesterday. Smh. Hasn't happened any other time I can recall
Vanillalite
Ask me about the GAF Notebook
So what we assumed. It's basically a over clock or higher clock rebranded as the 821.
About 4 hours? I haven't measured it fully. I never drain the battery below 20% and charge it randomly.
The notification "issue" is so overblown, typical forum crybaby shit. It's a fucking button that hides the notifications but 90% of the time you're using the fingerprint sensor... Plus it's not a big deal to tap the bell to see notifications. Just a bunch of OCD babies that need their diapers changed crying about something inconsequential. Plus there are ways around it.
The camera is good but I feel like the software needs to be updated and the focus needs to be tweaked. My LG G4 focused way better.
osiris3355
Banned
You don't gain power efficiency by just turning up the clock. I really doubt that 5% gain is from tasks finishing faster.
Also i saw geekbench scores and it was a 14 - 15% score improvement for cpu so thats good.
Hey guys Sony made a different Xperia this time around -
http://www.xperiablog.net/2016/08/31/xperia-xz-and-xperia-x-compact-press-photos-leak/
...never mind
http://www.xperiablog.net/2016/08/31/xperia-xz-and-xperia-x-compact-press-photos-leak/
...never mind
Jazzy Network
Member
The S4 Pro was legit when it first came out.
Wonder if compact is still 720p.
Jazzy Network
Member
Xperia XZ? OK they're making shit up now.
If the Moto Z Play had an SD652 and went for $400 it'd actually be an interesting contender at that price range.
As it stands it's just DOA. There's absolutely no reason to ever even consider this phone in a world where the OP3, Axon 7, Honor 8 and Idol 4 exist. They are all better phones that cost less.
As it stands it's just DOA. There's absolutely no reason to ever even consider this phone in a world where the OP3, Axon 7, Honor 8 and Idol 4 exist. They are all better phones that cost less.
Bboy AJ
My dog was murdered by a 3.5mm audio port and I will not rest until the standard is dead
New Zenpad. @AndroidPolice: Asus announces the ZenPad 3S 10 with a 2048x1536 9.7-inch display, 5.3mm bezels https://t.co/3JCfTSwRsL
No thanks.
No Allo.
No thanks.
No Allo.
Speaking of Zenstuff, the ZenFone 2 just got updated to Marshmallow. I wonder if the older tablets will get the update as well.
The Faceless Master
Member
why would anyone want to remember lies?
The Faceless Master
Member
"or" not "and"
it can be up to 9% faster OR it can be up to 5% more efficient at the same speed.
Jazzy Network
Member
Hmm not sure if I should get the Gear S3. I have the S2 and really like it, but the upgrades seem minimal.
Vanillalite
Ask me about the GAF Notebook
I figure there probably are a few other random under the hood changes, but this info is right in line with Anandtech's earlier article.
Keep in mind the 820 was the first of the new CPU arch. So it started out relatively low compared to where the last arch ended up with the 805.
The Nexus 6 was clocked at 2.7GHz compared to 2.26GHz for the Nexus 5. The LG G3 was at 2.45GHz.
It's no surprise if they get a similar uptick from current 820 devices like the GS7 clocked at 2.15GHz.
Keep in mind I'm with the current Anandtech article about the efficiency. I'm not sure if they mean power consumption, overall SoC efficiency, or they mean the power efficient 2 core cluster.
I mean if you check the clocks it's the power cluster that got a huge 600MHz bump.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/10616/qualcomm-details-snapdragon-821-clocks-efficiency-and-ip
What throws me is the VR SDK deal. Is that new for the 821? Is it also for the 820? Any reason why it wouldn't work on both seeing as the hardware is relatively the same other clocks?
nature boy
Member
Not sure what folks were expecting with the 821, looks like a decent refresh to the 820 for the holiday season.
The Faceless Master
Member
it has MST!
Vanillalite
Ask me about the GAF Notebook
Oh it's fine. It's what I expected. Higher clocks on the same chip.
Biggest thing will be for apps that are more single threaded. Getting that clock up helps a lot vs wishful thinking that they will make great use of multiple cores/multithreading
Jazzy Network
Member
Yea but who knows if the MST works only with Samsung devices or not.
Vanillalite
Ask me about the GAF Notebook
Did Samsung unveil the Tab S3 yet?
That's the tablet I want to see. Not that Zen bullshit.
That's the tablet I want to see. Not that Zen bullshit.
Vanillalite
Ask me about the GAF Notebook
So I wonder how well Android DayDream is gonna run. I mean rumor is it has to be on a QHD 820 device.
I wonder if it'll be smooth or if this will be sorta round 1 still janky needing to wait for the 830 or beyond to smooth out issues.
I wonder if it'll be smooth or if this will be sorta round 1 still janky needing to wait for the 830 or beyond to smooth out issues.
The Faceless Master
Member
does NFC on the Gear S2 work on other devices?
Jazzy Network
Member
Dunno I haven't tried it.
I assume its gonna be like PSVR where googleplay 'daydream certified apps' will have some sort of performance requirement for day dream certified devices.