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Android |OT7| Now With a Whole New Messaging System
- Thread starter Hasney
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I think mainly storage performance plus some software. Not a high bar when it was such ass on older Nexus devices.
On the PS Vita you could scroll webpages with the rear touchpad. The implementation was kinda clunky (smaller movements were ignored and it was sensitive enough to react to my legs through my jeans), but when it worked it was really nice scrolling through a page with no a fingers in the way and not having to think about accidentally pressing a button or link.
So I get what Google is doing with wanting to compete with ios on and fully realize the Google ecosystem of products (it's a half step measure like Microsoft with Windows ). That said I'm still surprised there wasn't a mid range pixel to go alongside the flagship models.
This year feels like a stop gap on the phone side, to what Google really wants to do next year.
This year feels like a stop gap on the phone side, to what Google really wants to do next year.
Saiyan-Rox
Member
Fuck sake
I'm not really given the Pixel brand.
BoboBrazil
Member
Pixel XL will be under $500 by January. I'd just wait. I bet black Friday has them under $500.
Prototype Viktor
Member
Where the fuk it my tablet announcement Goog!
BoboBrazil
Member
Also my 6P will be here Thursday for $279+ tax. Suck it Google.
AyaisMUsikWhore
Member
You're still buying a Google phone tho lol! This isn't hurting them.
BoboBrazil
Member
I know lol I will have all the Pixel features ported and Android 7.1 as soon as they are available though. Plus the benefit of having the final Nexus.
Rushersauce
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I'd get the 5S Plus. The dual camera setup+bigger battery are a big plus for me.
Next year is the year. Non-exploding Samsung phones, iphone redesign and Google with time to maybe do something to the Pixel 2.
The Faceless Master
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strangely, my SM-N910P Samsung Galaxy Note 4, released in October 2014, (24 months ago) is on Software Version VPU4DPH4 with an Android Security Patch Level of September 1. 2016.
AndroidPolice is saying it'll be a dev preview before the end of this year. Google isn't in a hurry to update current Nexus devices. http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/1...vices-pixel-c-will-land-end-2016-dev-preview/
Rushersauce
Banned
Guys, if you're looking for a cheap and kickass phone, grab thE ZUK Z2. It's an amazing device for its price (260USD)
BoboBrazil
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osiris3355
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true, but your average joe isn't gonna drop $650+ on a googly phone instead of your samsung or apple either. So it really is a catch 22.
Apple got the brand, samsung got the wow factor (curved edge screen really stands out at a glance with the hot AMOLED screen).
Google pixel looks like your typical chinese apple knock off at a glance (you don't see the ass of a phone at a display unless you pick it up).
'unlimited full res cloud storage' and '24/7 customer support' aren't really selling points.
BoboBrazil
Member
The back of the Pixel is incredibly ugly by the way. Half glass and half aluminum is so dumb.
The Faceless Master
Member
Wow...
Saiyan-Rox
Member
Well there it is.
In a way Google had no choice but to give pixel all the help it can get and exclusive software. If they gave it to the Nexus people would go and get a 6P instead.
It's not right by any means at all but it's why they're doing it. But Fragmenting your own user base which was pretty much made up of the top Android fans and alienating them isn't a good move.
No mention of the pixel c and it's software....I mean technically it should get this stuff but I have a feeling Google will screw that over swell.
How many versions are there lol, yeah I want that one.
It's in the link. It's bundled in with Nexus support.
Think I'm out on Google phones if this trend continues. May as well custom ROM other manufacturers if they:
- Lock software features to the newest phone
- Lock bootloaders
- Timed exclusive software update in general
- Keep shrinking the bigger phone
- Aim at the premium market by just using the iPhone design
That's fine though. Removing the reasons I went Nexus means I have more choice when I do upgrade as more phones will be in the conversation for me.
The Faceless Master
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the competition has waterproofing
or
the competition has wireless charging
or
the competition has removable batteries
or
the competition has OIS
or
the competition has modules
or
the competition has Quad DACs
or
the competition has stereo speakers
or
the competition has iOS
Mine is. 910F here
BoboBrazil
Member
Verizon bootloader confirmed locked. No confirmation on ones from Google store. Also apparently new security which will make root harder according to XDA. This phone is a fail all the way around. The only nice thing is snapdragon 821.
Ah, just Verizon so far? I bet EE does too, but good to hear there's still hope on the vanilla one.
Also, fuck EE having carrier exclusivity over here. Such a bad network.
AyaisMUsikWhore
Member
And guess what. One single phone doesn't have all of this so what's the point of arguing what it doesnt have compared to its competition. One of its competition doesn't have a Headphone jack... And what?
We can go all day about what each competition doesn't have. Like this is pointless. It doesn't stop people from buying phones that never had these features of willingly didn't add them because they have no value to them right now. It's boring and so ridiculous.
Why is Lenovo making smartphones after buying Motorola? Aren't they just competing with themselves at this point?
The Faceless Master
Member
that's why i used or instead of and.
the point being the competition has more.
this more or that more or the more over there.
sometimes more for less money.
As people have mentioned, this is silly because no flagship has all of that. You could grab any phone and create a list of things it doesn't have.
Are there things missing from Pixel that would be nice to have? Sure. Wireless charging and waterproofing would be nice. Does that mean the phone is not a flagship and doesn't deserve to be priced accordingly? Absolutely not.
Vanillalite
Ask me about the GAF Notebook
Biggest problem with Pixel phones today and going forward is their fall release window means they are at the end of the run.
If they put this premium phone out 6 months ago at the beginning of this year's crop of phones it would be all good. Instead it's the last phone to go. So essentially your paying premium pricing too late in the cycle for me.
That's not to say it isn't fast or the hardware isn't good enough. But if you want me to pay $800 for a phone then I'd like it to not be immediately outclassed in 3 months by next year's chips.
Apple doesn't have this problem cause the chips are solely Apples so there is always a year in between, and you know when it's getting late in the cycle to buy.
It's a different ballgame in Google land with different OEMs on different schedules compared to Google.
Hell Anandtech had their Snapdragon 820 preview article up Dec 10th of last year. If we follow that trend the 830 is gonna be previewed in basically 2 months. It also means the longer you wait for a price drop the closer 830 phones will be.
If they put this premium phone out 6 months ago at the beginning of this year's crop of phones it would be all good. Instead it's the last phone to go. So essentially your paying premium pricing too late in the cycle for me.
That's not to say it isn't fast or the hardware isn't good enough. But if you want me to pay $800 for a phone then I'd like it to not be immediately outclassed in 3 months by next year's chips.
Apple doesn't have this problem cause the chips are solely Apples so there is always a year in between, and you know when it's getting late in the cycle to buy.
It's a different ballgame in Google land with different OEMs on different schedules compared to Google.
Hell Anandtech had their Snapdragon 820 preview article up Dec 10th of last year. If we follow that trend the 830 is gonna be previewed in basically 2 months. It also means the longer you wait for a price drop the closer 830 phones will be.
Add to that, the phones that bomb in the spring, aka the LGs and HTCs of the world, those flagships can be had for discounted prices around this time and the holidays.
Vanillalite
Ask me about the GAF Notebook
That too especially if you look for sales in all the usual places.
BoboBrazil
Member
I mean for the price of a Pixel XL you can pretty much get a Note 7. Why would you get a Pixel XL? They are catering to a market that doesn't and will never exist for them.
AyaisMUsikWhore
Member
No, the competition doesn't always have more. Some have less like the iPhone, and some have exclusive features to their hardware like Samsung and iPhone... But it's BS to make it seem like both of those companies that has removed and added and removed features were not clocking in at the same price we are witness right now with even less blow back (except for Samsung) and than what's happening today.
The 6S didn't have OIS and it didn't stop people from buying that phone. None of the iPhone up until the 7 are water resistant.. Not even proof.
None of the iPhone have wireless charging and they don't have fast charging either but yet still here we are. Shit they are still rocking 1080p resolution and the price remains the same... Even removing storage options.
Like I said, it's pointless. What does matter is what this phone can do for what's inside of it. No one uses these bs metrics to criticise Apple phones the way they do Android and I will never understand it. If people buy their phones because they want it to work regardless of the gimmicks involved then it really doesn't matter doesn't it.
So again, this ridiculous need for Google to be more humble than their counterparts that have done the same thing without any change in their momentum in selling etc is ridiculous. We've already seen phones that have a ton of features and still flop regardless of how cool it is because it simply doesn't work effectively. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt of not including things that really don't make a substantial difference to the user who just wants a better android phone.. Not one plagued with features that they will never use, find useful or just straight out doesn't work.
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Moving on from that, why is OIS such a big deal? The 6P doesn't have it and I don't remember ever feeling like I was at a large disadvantage for not having it. On top of that, what if this new method Google is using is actually better in practice? Where would that sit it?
Jazzy Network
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No OIS is inexcusable. I'm sure it has a good camera, but it will have and even better one with it.