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[Rodney McKay]

Nah, I would love to see this. No crow needs to be eaten. Android has so much potential and it is all the flavors running around that makes it loose its luster.

It's all the flavor of Android that keep me picking them as my phone.

Assuming the Pixel is as amazing as people are saying in terms of performance, I agree that it will be great for Android as a whole. But personally I'll always take sd card support and great battery life with good performance and late updates over a phone with perfect performance and timely updates, but none of the hardware features I care about.

 

[Dobsie]

How is the Moto z play getting such incredible battery life? It's only got a 3500mah battery.

 

[rc213]

http://www.reddit.com/r/googlepixel/comments/56vcje/_/

Guy with a Pixel XL on hand answering questions. He's posted videos and pictures comparing to 6P.

From the last 2 days I've learned EIS will work on 4K video supposedly.

 

[Randy Lanzarote]

I had a chance to play with a Pixel C yesterday, as I'm in the market for a new tablet. Initial impressions were good ie. Screen, build quality etc. but when I had a look online for reviews/impressions the general consensus was not that positive. Have issues been ironed out with updates/nougat? £399 is a lot for a flagship tablet, but there's not a lot of choice out there in that end of the market that offers the same performance/battery life. :/

when people say iOS smooth i wonder if they actually use iOS because i do at work and that shit is just as janky as everything else.

This. I've been using an ipad air from work recently, and I can only think that when people say ios is smooth, what they really mean is that animations/scrolling speeds are so slow, that they've got no chance to be laggy.

Epic battery life though, one reason I'm considering an ipad mini 4 as possible tablet option, even with shitty ios and all its restrictions.

 

[bonchooski]

How is the Moto z play getting such incredible battery life? It's only got a 3500mah battery.

A snapdragon 625 and 1080p screen will help.

 

[Mindwipe]

Cant wait for next week.

No one is going to give a shit about sd cards, wireless charging and water proofing when the Pixel reviews starting trickling in. Everyone is going to find out the Pixel phones offer a far smoother UI experience than any Android phone on the market.

Want iPhone level smoothness on Android then Pixel is your only option. Period

Don't forget to quote me if I'm wrong so I can eat crow.

To be honest, I've never cared about OS smoothness. I don't have good framerate detection in general, I honestly can't tell the difference between 30 and 60 FPS easily at all.

Meanwhile I note that the Pixel is still too big to comfortably use and has no software features to mitigate that, and has very ugly hardware.

 

[bonchooski]

FYI OnePlus3 in gold is available to ship immediately on their website.

 

[Volotaire]

The Note ends with a bang.

 

[VanMardigan]

The Note 7 is the phone I wanted most this year. Too bad.

 

[Skux]

That Pixel video stabilisation is absolutely nuts. It's like it's on a steadicam.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HP4xa5HBtt8

 

[Bboy AJ]

Camera comparison

6p: https://imgur.com/gallery/IyFXJ

Pixel: https://imgur.com/gallery/OWHZU

I'm guessing HDR wasn't on for the 6P.

Assistant https://youtu.be/7PDawvB_PcM

When do reviews drop?

 

[Vyse The Legend]

Camera comparison

6p: https://imgur.com/gallery/IyFXJ

Pixel: https://imgur.com/gallery/OWHZU

I'm guessing HDR wasn't on for the 6P.

Assistant https://youtu.be/7PDawvB_PcM

When do reviews drop?

You're right. He did a second test with HDR on for both, and the quality is nigh indistinguishable. As expected, the sensor is basically the same as last years. Main differences will come from software.

I'm guessing reviews will hit next week.

 

[Aiii]

You're right. He did a second test with HDR on for both, and the quality is nigh indistinguishable. As expected, the sensor is basically the same as last years. Main differences will come from software.

I'm guessing reviews will hit next week.

Pfft, Peasant 6P only has a DxOMark of 84, not 89 like God Pixel.

 

[Cynosure]

if my phone is stolen, someone can boot recovery mode and factory reset from there. How do I lock access to that?

at first, i thought that's what "secure startup" was for, requiring password to boot the phone, but it's not and seems like a totally useless feature now.

 

[HazySaiyan]

FYI OnePlus3 in gold is available to ship immediately on their website.

Man I'm so tempted, need to keep telling myself I don't need it.

 

[Aiii]

if my phone is stolen, someone can boot recovery mode and factory reset from there. How do I lock access to that?

at first, i thought that's what "secure startup" was for, requiring password to boot the phone, but it's not and seems like a totally useless feature now.

You can lock, erase and ring it via http://www.android.com/devicemanager

 

[Donny Hayabusa]

Can someone help me?

I've got a Sony Z3 and Android 6 on my phone. The internal space is 16gb and I got a 64gb SD card. Before Android 6 i could put every app on the SD card.

Now I have to manually put every app on it. The Problem is the internal space isn't getting bigger. It's always full and it's driving me insane. Apps get updated and you have to repeat the whole process. Am i just too dumb?

 

[RuGalz]

if my phone is stolen, someone can boot recovery mode and factory reset from there. How do I lock access to that?

at first, i thought that's what "secure startup" was for, requiring password to boot the phone, but it's not and seems like a totally useless feature now.

Is your bootloader unlocked? Actually never mind, if you want to stop someone from factory reset the phone and make it usable again, I'm not sure if you can guard against it. The secure startup stuff is only to guard your data.

edit: looks like you can factory reset but still need to enter the password after a reboot https://support.google.com/nexus/answer/6172890?hl=en

 

[Aiii]

Can someone help me? I've got a Sony Z3 and Android 6 on my phone. The internal Space is 16gb and I got a 64gb sd Card. Before Android 6 i could put every App on the sd Card.

Now I have to manually put every App on the sd Card. The Problem is the internal Space isn't getting bigger. It's always Full and it's driving me insane. Apps get updated and you have to repeat the whole process. Am i just too dumb?

You have to set-up the SD Card as internal storage instead of an external SD card, instructions are here: http://www.howtogeek.com/242937/how-to-set-up-a-new-sd-card-in-android-for-extra-storage/

 

[Groof]

You're right. He did a second test with HDR on for both, and the quality is nigh indistinguishable. As expected, the sensor is basically the same as last years. Main differences will come from software.

I'm guessing reviews will hit next week.

Which is definitely not a bad thing. The thing that annoys me about the 6p's camera is that the lens is so wide it distorts at the edges. And of course it's slow af. But that seems to be fixed.

 

[RuGalz]

You're right. He did a second test with HDR on for both, and the quality is nigh indistinguishable. As expected, the sensor is basically the same as last years. Main differences will come from software.

I'm guessing reviews will hit next week.

With same/similar sensor performance (and many years to come), the main difference will be speed. Post processing in camera software is probably the same. They could artificially limit slower phones with 3 image blend instead of 6 or 9 or 12 for a single image in the future to get better results.

 

[g0tm1lk]

Couldn't resist dat +10h of SOT? 😱

Is there any other phone that can have a similar SOT?

 

[bonchooski]

Is there any other phone that can have a similar SOT?

My 2015 Moto E that I got for 10 bucks on black friday would get me 8hrs on a consistent basis.

 

[Mindwipe]

Can we name the next thread "Android |OT8| Smoke Signals Are The New SMS"?

 

[hitgirl]

Wow the Nexus 6P is very slippery. Usually go without a case but it almost seems like a Dbrand skin is a must.

and it's already hot. I sort of want a pixel..

 

[Vic]

Wow the Nexus 6P is very slippery. Usually go without a case but it almost seems like a Dbrand skin is a must.

and it's already hot. I sort of want a pixel..

Don't think it's possible to properly hold this phone without a case.

 

[The Faceless Master]

smoothness of the os is just one factor.

Android needs to solve the impossible problem of fragmentation aka app performance suffers in the mean time.

If pixel has the magic to get app load times to speed up without issues, and to get poorly optimized android games compare to their ios counterpart (cough, Final fantasy brave exvius) to run well without anything on the developers end....

fuck it, ill plop down $650 or w/e it costs to import from brexitville.

So Android needs to be 2 new models a year so game devs can optimize?

 

[SolidSnakeUS]

Don't think it's possible to properly hold this phone without a case.

I held it fine. I use a RhinoShield bumper case and it works just great.

 

[hitgirl]

I was actually surprised how little difference the size of the 5X and 6P seemed side by side. And I just confirmed that as I just left the house and picked up the 6P and put it in my pocket instead of the 5X on accident.

 

[NotBacon]

Phones without OIS are worse than equivalent devices with OIS, yes.

Not the argument. Nice try though.
Moving the goalposts back, a Google rep put it nicely:

"And despite lacking OIS, Pixel is still very strong in still low-light photos, beating other cameras that do have OIS modules. That’s a testament to its world-class software algorithms, notably HDR+. And with software algorithms instead of OIS hardware, Pixel can get better and better over time.

At the end of the day, Pixel takes some of the best low-light photos you’ll find on any smartphone, even without OIS. And that’s what really matters — better pictures, not how Pixel does it."

Talking nonsense now. Let's just wait for the phone instead of grasping at magical straws.

*Hand-on videos showing amazing performance and touch latency*

"You guys are talking nonsense now."

when people say iOS smooth i wonder if they actually use iOS because i do at work and that shit is just as janky as everything else.

Truth

 

[Jeffrey]

So Android needs to be 2 new models a year so game devs can optimize?

google magic.

Let the AI do it!

 

[Vyse The Legend]

Not the argument. Nice try though.
Moving the goalposts back, a Google rep put it nicely:

"And despite lacking OIS, Pixel is still very strong in still low-light photos, beating other cameras that do have OIS modules. That’s a testament to its world-class software algorithms, notably HDR+. And with software algorithms instead of OIS hardware, Pixel can get better and better over time.

At the end of the day, Pixel takes some of the best low-light photos you’ll find on any smartphone, even without OIS. And that’s what really matters — better pictures, not how Pixel does it."

Google said the exact same thing for at the 6P launch, and the lack of OIS is glaring to me. The large sensor can only do so much to accommodate handshake and slower shutter speeds. My hands shake slightly (I was born with this condition), and I've had plenty of shots ruined because the phone can't compensate for it.

Google's solution with the Pixel appears to be leaning on their new Smart Burst algorithm. As a photographer that regularly uses his f/4 lens at night, I can attest to burst/continuous shooting being an effective way to mitigate handshake in lowlight, since you just need to sift through the photos and find the one sans motion blur. With Smart Burst, the algorithm will do the work for you. Great!

However, imagine if the Pixel had OIS AND used Smart Burst; that would be incredible. Keep in mind that Googy is using a software solution, and considering the sensor in the 6P and the Pixel are closely related, I can see the new camera app making its way over and gaining the same lowlight benefits -- whereas a hardware difference (having OIS in the Pixel) could have never be replicated in the 6P.

 

[Zombie James]

Samsung taking no risks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pySvc17K2jE

 

[Vanillalite]

So does anyone even give a fuck about DayDream?

Feels like their whole VR presentation which was more about boxer briefs on your headset failed to engage the masses.

 

[diaspora]

Not the argument. Nice try though.
Moving the goalposts back, a Google rep put it nicely:

"And despite lacking OIS, Pixel is still very strong in still low-light photos, beating other cameras that do have OIS modules. That’s a testament to its world-class software algorithms, notably HDR+. And with software algorithms instead of OIS hardware, Pixel can get better and better over time.

At the end of the day, Pixel takes some of the best low-light photos you’ll find on any smartphone, even without OIS. And that’s what really matters — better pictures, not how Pixel does it."

Except it doesn't. Objectively, any OIS flagship is inherently superior to an EIS suction for image stabilization, the loss of actual sensor space doesn't cease to matter because of fanboyism. The application of a software solution can be applied in conjunction with OIS, OIS cannot be applied to phones without it.

Edit, as an example- had the Pixel been using OIS on the same sensor you'd still have better results that what's currently being delivered as per physics and optics where the lens assembly is moved parallel to the image plane resulting in the full use of the sensor.

 

[VanMardigan]

Got my Axon 7. Still setting it up but this is one nice piece of kit for $399.

 

[CronoShot]

So both the Galaxy Note and the Nexus lines died in 2016.

Didn't see that one coming.

 

[ArchAngel]

More EIS for you. So damn good!
https://youtu.be/1oftbNhz8fU

 

[LeleSocho]

More EIS for you. So damn good!
https://youtu.be/1oftbNhz8fU

Impressive but those swift lateral movements look pretty bad

 

[Vyse The Legend]

So does anyone even give a fuck about DayDream?

Feels like their whole VR presentation which was more about boxer briefs on your headset failed to engage the masses.

I can answer for everyone: No.

And, I'm reading about the battery life on the Z Play. Insane! Considering how shit my battery life is on the 6P, I'm certainly tempted...

 

[kharma45]

Google said the exact same thing for at the 6P launch, and the lack of OIS is glaring to me. The large sensor can only do so much to accommodate handshake and slower shutter speeds. My hands shake slightly (I was born with this condition), and I've had plenty of shots ruined because the phone can't compensate for it.

Google's solution with the Pixel appears to be leaning on their new Smart Burst algorithm. As a photographer that regularly uses his f/4 lens at night, I can attest to burst/continuous shooting being an effective way to mitigate handshake in lowlight, since you just need to sift through the photos and find the one sans motion blur. With Smart Burst, the algorithm will do the work for you. Great!

However, imagine if the Pixel had OIS AND used Smart Burst; that would be incredible. Keep in mind that Googy is using a software solution, and considering the sensor in the 6P and the Pixel are closely related, I can see the new camera app making its way over and gaining the same lowlight benefits -- whereas a hardware difference (having OIS in the Pixel) could have never be replicated in the 6P.

Except it doesn't. Objectively, any OIS flagship is inherently superior to an EIS suction for image stabilization, the loss of actual sensor space doesn't cease to matter because of fanboyism. The application of a software solution can be applied in conjunction with OIS, OIS cannot be applied to phones without it.

Edit, as an example- had the Pixel been using OIS on the same sensor you'd still have better results that what's currently being delivered as per physics and optics where the lens assembly is moved parallel to the image plane resulting in the full use of the sensor.

Agreed. I'll wait for actual reviews than the word of a Google rep.

 

[Big Blue]

So does anyone even give a fuck about DayDream?

Feels like their whole VR presentation which was more about boxer briefs on your headset failed to engage the masses.

I think outside of gaming VR has little to no application

 

[The Faceless Master]

sooo... my sister hit me up on Hangouts

S7 too small, doesn't like sharp corners of S7 Edge

only wants AMOLED screens

she would trade in her Note 7 if she could get a 128GB Pixel XL, no other phone she looked at was good enough

BBBBUUUUUTTTT it's only on Verizon so she can't get it at the on-contract price (like the $399 contract price for Note 7)

she's keeping her Note 7

holdat L Google

 

[Toki767]

Doesn't Google offer monthly payment plans on the Pixel XL?

Or is she only willing to pay the cost up front?

 

[LeleSocho]

doesn't like sharp corners of S7 Edge

I'm sorry but... what? The S7E doesn't have sharp corners.

 

[The Faceless Master]

Doesn't Google offer monthly payment plans on the Pixel XL?

Or is she only willing to pay the cost up front?

because grandfathered contract plan etc etc

$399 vs $869

I'm sorry but... what? The S7E doesn't have sharp corners.

compared to the Note 7 it's a Katana.

 

[tmac456]

Got my Axon 7. Still setting it up but this is one nice piece of kit for $399.

same here. fucked up and didn't realize it needs a nano sim so now I have to go into AT&T i guess

 

[teiresias]

Think I'm going to go put in a pre-order for the Moto Z Play at my local Best Buy today. The battery life is going to be very important to me this coming year since I'll be doing a great deal of traveling for work (nothing worse than frantically charging your phone just to be able to have access to your electronic boarding pass), and it also lets me give the Pixel concept at least a year to see flesh itself out and see how it goes from a support end from Google.

 

[The Faceless Master]

Looking at the comments and testimonials from people everywhere on the internet, the majority of Note 7 owners and potential future buyers of the Note 7 seem to be switching to iPhones.

Samsung may have just ruined the reputation of Android.

 

[Vyse The Legend]

Think I'm going to go put in a pre-order for the Moto Z Play at my local Best Buy today. The battery life is going to be very important to me this coming year since I'll be doing a great deal of traveling for work (nothing worse than frantically charging your phone just to be able to have access to your electronic boarding pass), and it also lets me give the Pixel concept at least a year to see flesh itself out and see how it goes from a support end from Google.

I'm leaning toward the same thing. I don't play games on my phone, so raw performance means little to me. I need a phone that doesn't die after 2.5hrs screen on-time, which is what I currently get on my 6P.