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kharma45

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RuGalz said:
Why wouldn't the comparison results be invalid? Let's say a chart simply compare a 32G iPhone vs 32G Pixel NAND performance. That result would be very different if it was 128G iPhone vs 32G Pixel. Also that means we don't know how 32G Pixel is vs 128G Pixel is or how 32G vs 64G vs 128G S7 is. Sites doing these benchmarks don't compares variations usually. But if what you say is true that the typical difference in performance between sizes can be as large as 32G iPhone7 vs 128G (8-10x), all the charts out there comparing NAND speed in reviews are basically useless. The link you shown only have 2-3x difference for the worst case, most are <1 to 2x.
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Fair point, but what sites aren't disclosing what sized memory device they're testing?

What I'm saying is true though, look at any SSD review where different sizes are tested.

http://techreport.com/review/29733/transcend-ssd370-solid-state-drive-reviewed/2

http://www.anandtech.com/show/10674/the-toshiba-ocz-vx500-ssd-review

https://www.pcper.com/reviews/Stora...-250GB-25-SATA-SSD-Full-Review-Return-2D-NAND

Bigger the drive the faster it'll be.

TR has a brief article too on the iPhone

Still, the difference seems to be a result of well-understood limitations in flash storage architectures, not because Apple "went a little bit chintzier in terms of the quality or caliber" of the 32GB phone's storage.
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RuGalz

Member
kharma45 said:
Fair point, but what sites aren't disclosing what sized memory device they're testing?
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The problem is all the comparison charts typically only lists the maker + model for mobile devices (the review of the specific device may specify the size but not necessarily in the comparison charts). It's not as if you could select 32G iPhone vs 32G Pixel or 128G iPhone vs 32G Pixel on review sites. They typically just give you relative performances of different model + make. So if the typical performance difference on mobile devices are as high as iPhone 7's (8-10x) that makes the charts completely useless since they don't always stick to the lowest or the highest end models. I'd love to see more sites test the variants to know if 8-10x difference is the norm or if it's just an oversight in this case.
 
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PipefishUK

Banned
Update on regular Pixel battery life -

Forget the size/rating of it. It's amazing. Left the house at 5:30am yesterday with 71% did a 14 hour shift and when I got home I still had 20%.

Left the house this morning at 5:30am with 100% battery, it's now 3:35pm and I have 48% - this is with reasonably heavy use (a lot more than yesterday) including a few hours as a mobile hotspot.

My S7 would have required topping up for sure. I'm confident I'll have 20% at least by the time I get home at about 8pm!
 
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CreepingFear

Member
Cross post from the Google Pixel thread:

Here is a test video of 1080p 60fps video with EIS I did today. I am walking down hill on a cloudy, drizzling day. Please forgive my actual photography. I am the worst. I also wasn't really trying. I just had my hand with my phone out directly in front of me without trying to stabilize it at all.

https://youtu.be/4nhhzfYlxNM
 
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HawkeyeIC

Member
Had my Pixel XL about a day and a half. Yesterday was setup most of the day, so no impressions, but today was good. A few thoughts:

-phone is easily the fastest Android phone i've used.
-got about 4 hours SoT, off charger for 13 hours before plugging in with 10% left. Don't have battery saver set to turn on until 5%. This is about an hour more SoT than I got with my 6P
-Phone got a little hot at the end of the day, which surprised me
-Haven't really used the camera other than opening it and snapping a few quick pictures, so much faster than 6P
-Assistant seems fine, seems like a beta though
-Chrome battery usage/slowness and the messed up Messaging situation are my two biggest issues with Android at this point

Overall, best Android phone I've used, but Chrome and Messaging obviously aren't magically fixed. We'll see what Andromeda brings...
 
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reKon

Banned
You all need to realize that you need a week or so until you have a good idea on your general battery life. The few days are typically more sporadic.
 
SolidSnakeUS

SolidSnakeUS

Member
I'm trying to figure out a good way for my family to switch over to AT&T so we can enjoy basically every phone that comes out (GSM basically). Hmmm...
 
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wilflare

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how many of you guys keep WiFi and Bluetooth ON even when not connected to a network or Bluetooth device? it does help with faster locating
(and with that, there's no need to keep the scanning options on right?)
 
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remz

Member
Jeffrey said:
Didn't 6p have similar issues with the glass ?
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I have dropped my 6p like 20 times. Once from my bike onto the road, another down the damn stairs outside my apartment and my glass is fine... took a nice chip out of the aluminium tho.

Speaking strictly about LG made phones- the back of my Nexus 4 spontaneously shattered when it was sitting on a table once with a pretty dank spiderweb pattern, and the LG G3 I had died after a drop onto concrete. The moral of the story is i shouldn't be allowed near expensive technology.
 
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mokeyjoe

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wilflare said:
how many of you guys keep WiFi and Bluetooth ON even when not connected to a network or Bluetooth device? it does help with faster locating
(and with that, there's no need to keep the scanning options on right?)
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Does it help anything? I have my Bluetooth on all the time because of my Pebble, but I turn WiFi off when I leave the house. Partly because it improves battery life, but also because as I walk around it connects to public WiFi spots I don't have access to, effectively cutting my internet.
 
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Jeffrey

Member
Any impressions of pixel owners coming from other fast phones of 2016 ala one plus 3 and honor 8, HTC 10 etc?

Really curious how much more 'smooth and responsive ' it is.
 
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wilflare

Member
mokeyjoe said:
Does it help anything? I have my Bluetooth on all the time because of my Pebble, but I turn WiFi off when I leave the house. Partly because it improves battery life, but also because as I walk around it connects to public WiFi spots I don't have access to, effectively cutting my internet.
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cutting your internet?
it supposedly improves locating (faster locating = less battery spent trying to locate)
- but if you turn off locating, then I guess this makes no difference to you.

seems like Android has changed its CA certificate requirements too :/
 
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CreepingFear

Member
wilflare said:
how many of you guys keep WiFi and Bluetooth ON even when not connected to a network or Bluetooth device? it does help with faster locating
(and with that, there's no need to keep the scanning options on right?)
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I pretty much never use Bluetooth and I just about always keep wi-fi on unless I'm on an airplane or something. I keep my location on high accuracy.
 
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wilflare

Member
CreepingFear said:
I pretty much never use Bluetooth and I just about always keep wi-fi on unless I'm on an airplane or something. I keep my location on high accuracy.
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that's what I'm doing now.
do you guys really keep the Web & Search Activity, Voice Activity, Device Information, Location History on as well?
 
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Maddrical

Member
I am loving my Pixel XL so far. So fast and clean, screen looks great too. I downloaded this Rewards app that people mentioned the other day but haven't received a notification to undertake a survey yet, how regular are they?

Had my music uploading to Google Play Music since Friday night, only 9k/26k songs done so far! Getting there. EDIT: Any good apps for Windows 10 for Google Play Music? The official one doesn't even allow me to use my keyboard media buttons which is a shame.

taco543 said:
The surveys will start to come more often, basically it tracks where you've been via GPS and then asks you about locations. It's like market research on your phone.
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Ah okay, thanks for the info.
 
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taco543

Member
Maddrical said:
I am loving my Pixel XL so far. So fast and clean, screen looks great too. I downloaded this Rewards app that people mentioned the other day but haven't received a notification to undertake a survey yet, how regular are they?

Had my music uploading to Google Play Music since Friday night, only 9k/26k songs done so far! Getting there.
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The surveys will start to come more often, basically it tracks where you've been via GPS and then asks you about locations. It's like market research on your phone.
 
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reKon

Banned
Maddrical said:
I am loving my Pixel XL so far. So fast and clean, screen looks great too. I downloaded this Rewards app that people mentioned the other day but haven't received a notification to undertake a survey yet, how regular are they?

Had my music uploading to Google Play Music since Friday night, only 9k/26k songs done so far! Getting there. EDIT: Any good apps for Windows 10 for Google Play Music? The official one doesn't even allow me to use my keyboard media buttons which is a shame.



Ah okay, thanks for the info.
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If you don't have location services enabled then you won't get surveys in my experience
 
The Faceless Master

The Faceless Master

Member
This might convince me to bring it back.
As part of Samsung's continued efforts to make amends with disappointed customers, the company is offering a big incentive to South Korean Note7 owners to stick with the brand. Those who exchange a defective Note7 for a Galaxy S7 will be able to trade the S7 in and get a Note8 or S8 when those phones come out; the total price paid by the customers will be half of the price of the S7 model they choose, with no charge for upgrading.
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http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/1...-note7-owners-chance-buy-note8-s8-half-price/
 
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reKon

Banned
If Action Launcher already has app shortcuts, then I'm expecting Nova Launcher to have it very soon in a beta version. Already got my Pixel launcher and it runs as smooth as the official app version (SDK is out in case anyone wants it).

Once I have this, I'll continue to not care about having the latest version of stock android (at least until they integrate a one handed mode). Running Nova Launcher on an Android device where the processor is properly optimized with the software is just as smooth as iOS (see One Plus 3, Pixel, and Galaxy S7 Exynos performance)

Also I just learned this: http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/09/06/its-happening-chase-now-officially-supports-android-pay/

So that means if won't be all too terrible if I switch to a Pixel phone next year, despite Samsung Pay being superior.
 
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Prototype Viktor

Member
Maddrical said:
I am loving my Pixel XL so far. So fast and clean, screen looks great too. I downloaded this Rewards app that people mentioned the other day but haven't received a notification to undertake a survey yet, how regular are they?

Had my music uploading to Google Play Music since Friday night, only 9k/26k songs done so far! Getting there. EDIT: Any good apps for Windows 10 for Google Play Music? The official one doesn't even allow me to use my keyboard media buttons which is a shame.



Ah okay, thanks for the info.
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You'd get wah more surveys if you are a woman and hit up malls or best buys
 
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reKon

Banned
this_guy said:
Comparison between Pixel and Galaxy S7 Exynos. Google bloat vs Samsung bloat.

https://youtu.be/okDtNUbKK5M

Galaxy S7 seems quicker
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It's reasons why threads like this are stupid:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1267584&page=2

People on these forums who don't follow mobile tech don't get it. I'm really wondering if Samsung will even spend any time optimizing the snapdragon 830 for their next year flagship. On the plus side, they are the ones manufacturing it so you think they would. But the only problem is that they still haven't determined the reason for the Note 7 issues, which is a problem because they are already behind in S8 development because of this. That mean's they'll either have to delay the release of the S8 or it will be another rushed product.
 
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emag

Member
FYI, the Moto G(4) is Amazon's deal of the day at $120 (for Prime Members).

The G(4) isn't perfect (notably lacking a magnetometer and a fingerprint scanner), but it's probably the best Android device you can get at anywhere near that price (offering much better compatibility and support than the non-US brands and still reasonable specs/performance).
 
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clav

Member
Qualcomm 61X chipset is bad, so it's not a deal.

Also the phone is huge, making it difficult to use with one hand.

If you want something around that price range and don't care about updates, Alcatel Pop 4S might be worth a look.
 
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peppermints

Member
Got an iPhone 7+ on Thursday and am really missing Android. I love the camera on it coming from a Nexus 6, but I really wish I would have gotten an S7 instead.

Might end up returning it within the return period and getting an S7 instead.
 
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reKon

Banned
Very tempted to pick up a Exynos S7 Edge from Swappa for for $500 - $550 and just use this as my main phone until all flagships next year are released (likely would go with the next Galaxy or Pixel depending on what Google puts together).

I mean there's nothing wrong with my S7 - it's a great phone but I feel like I should have just went with a the Edge the first time, but I love the design and the battery life is better. My fear is that it ends up being too big and I end up regretting it due to more annoyances than I'd like. I don't know how many times accidental edge touches would happen.The smaller S7 is nearly a perfect size. I was coming from an Xperia Z3 Compact which could last me three days easily with light/medium usage w/ 2.5 - 3 hours of on screen time over that period.
 
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tariniel

Member
reKon said:
Very tempted to pick up a Exynos S7 Edge from Swappa for for $500 - $550 and just use this as my main phone until all flagships next year are released (likely would go with the next Galaxy or Pixel depending on what Google puts together).

I mean there's nothing wrong with my S7 - it's a great phone but I feel like I should have just went with a the Edge the first time, but I love the design and the battery life is better. My fear is that it ends up being too big and I end up regretting it due to more annoyances than I'd like. I don't know how many times accidental edge touches would happen.The smaller S7 is nearly a perfect size. I was coming from an Xperia Z3 Compact which could last me three days easily with light/medium usage w/ 2.5 - 3 hours of on screen time over that period.
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I'm considering doing similar. The other phones I'm considering are the Pixel XL and iPhone 7+, either would cost me $900+ most likely and will be a month+ before I could even get my hands on one. Heck I even considered the OnePlus3 and that thing has a wait too.

My biggest concern is warranty though. If I ended up with a lemon I don't know what would happen.

I think the smart thing for me is to just wait though, at least until Black Friday/Cyber Monday. It's not like my current phone is unusable, I just want to upgrade. Hard to fight that urge.
 
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teiresias

Member
Jazzy Network said:
Picked up a Moto Z Play. Battery is so nice. Off the charger at 8:15 and I'm still at 92% with moderate use.
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Yes, I'm enjoying mine. Only qualm is the overly large icons due to the dpi setting and the screen resolution and size. I hope they retain the built-in Nougat dpi settings when they finally get Nougat out for it, because I could really do with shrinking the UI. My only complaint with the device.
 
The Faceless Master

The Faceless Master

Member
There's a new method for rooting Android devices that's believed to work reliably on every version of the mobile operating system and a wide array of hardware. Individuals can use it to bypass limitations imposed by manufacturers or carriers, but it could also be snuck into apps for malicious purposes.

The technique comes courtesy of a Linux privilege-escalation bug that, as came to light last week, attackers are actively exploiting to hack Web servers and other machines. Dirty Cow, as some people are calling the vulnerability, was introduced into the core Linux kernel in 2007. It's extremely easy to exploit, making it one of the worst privilege-elevation flaws ever to hit the open-source OS.
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http://arstechnica.com/security/201...ed-by-most-serious-linux-escalation-bug-ever/
 
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Asgaro

Member
Europol started a campaign to make the public more aware regarding mobile malware: https://www.europol.europa.eu/content/mobile-malware

I can't believe we still, to this day, don't have a solution to the Android update cycle. It's a mess with no end in sight: for instance the Pixel will only get 2 years of updates; 3 years of security updates. Still too short in my opinion. Also considering it's Google's.

One day, shit will hit the fan.
 
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reKon

Banned
Played with a Pixel at the Verizon store. It was exactly how I expected it. I have to say it definitely looks better in person, but it's still boring. Also every flagship in that store felt like premium quality and all looked pretty different. HTC 10, LG G5, Moto Z, S7 series, iPhones, etc. I find it silly when people have to mention in reviews that the device feels premium. You HAVE to be premium now a days to compete in the high end.

I ended up playing with a S7 edge again for a bit and doing so reiterated the fact that it's the most visually appealing phone out in the market. Huawei is copying the right company with the design of their next flagship, lol.
 
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reKon

Banned
tariniel said:
I'm considering doing similar. The other phones I'm considering are the Pixel XL and iPhone 7+, either would cost me $900+ most likely and will be a month+ before I could even get my hands on one. Heck I even considered the OnePlus3 and that thing has a wait too.

My biggest concern is warranty though. If I ended up with a lemon I don't know what would happen.

I think the smart thing for me is to just wait though, at least until Black Friday/Cyber Monday. It's not like my current phone is unusable, I just want to upgrade. Hard to fight that urge.
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So yeah....

There aren't that many unlocked selling on Swappa, but they still fucking sell fast as shit. $530 and brand new and boom it's gone. I was eyeing that one too.
 
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