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[AkuMifune]

Here's a quote from your googled study. "These brain differences don’t mean that young people can’t make good decisions or tell the difference between right and wrong. It also doesn’t mean that they shouldn’t be held responsible for their actions. But an awareness of these differences can help parents, teachers, advocates, and policy makers understand, anticipate, and manage the behavior of adolescents."

Sorry, does not say anything about 15 year olds not being rational to the point of not having personal responsibility.

So, we are back to square one where it's basically you telling us something is a fact while it's not.

And yeah, i made no claims about the issue.

You don't have to make outright claims to your opinion when they're implicitly stated. You obviously feel like the 15-year old knew what they were doing. You referred to it in rational vs. legal terms after all. The 'fact' you take umbrage with is that I I think a 15-year old isn't capable of making that decision. Like every 15 year old would make that decision. The issue is that the teacher is taking advantage of him through a position of power and age.

I have to assume the age of consent is lower in your country which is why you're so defensive about it. If that's true than we can go back to the culturally advanced argument.

Or not. I also think you just like to babble your opinions as universal truth, so let's just hug it out.

 

[darscot]

People are missing the point:

Not only was she abusing her position as a teacher, but she was feeding a minor alcohol.

Add in totally shitting on the unsuspecting husband by doing this.

15 years is totally reasonable, PLUS she won't have to serve it all!

Feeding a minor alcohol? Really that gets you prison time? Did the kid die?
Cheating on your husband is also not something you go to prison for.
15 years is crazy, she obviously has some issues, 5 years in prison out on parole in 3 would be reasonable. And that only if the boy is truly broken up and damaged by this, if he is high fiving his pals then her simply being label a sex offender and some type of counseling or parole would be fine with me.

 

[Dude Abides]

Probably tbe reason for the sentence length is every time they had sex is a separate count.

 

[Griss]

To put in context how crazy this sentence seems to me, here in Ireland the sentencing for a full-blown, no-queston-if-there-was-any-consent rape is 5-7 years. Coming from that background 15 years for this is so insane it boggles the mind. I can't help but wonder if the private prison industry in America has something to do with these ludicrous, cruel and unusual punishments.

 

[SURGEdude]

The rational part of a teen's brain isn't fully developed and won't be until he or she is 25 years old or so.

5 seconds. I still think you're jumping through hoops to rationalize statutory rape.

I'm curious, since the brain doesn't reach apex until 25 are you suggesting that should be the age of consent? If not then what insight does that research provide into this case?

 

[Kiritsugu]

Completely insane. She should be fired for acting inappropriately in her role as a teacher, of course, and I suppose a month or two of community service for buying the guy alcohol would be reasonable to act as deterrent of such behavior in the future, but otherwise? No harm was done. It was consensual sex. If the boy suffered any trauma it was caused by knowing that his lover will waste years of her life in jail.

 

[JC Lately]

These people wake up one day and go

Shit, you know what? Let me throw away these years of getting an education, a job, and a life in order to fuck on that little asshole in class who gives me the eye. That's what I'll do today. Fuck that kid. Literally.

Like everyone who is about to do something they know is wrong, they most likely were convinced they would never get caught.

 

[AkuMifune]

I'm curious, since the brain doesn't reach apex until 25 are you suggesting that should be the age of consent? If not then what insight does that research provide into this case?

I was just providing evidence that 15-year olds aren't rational. I have no issue with 15-year olds engaging in sexual activity. It's with a teacher who is 30 that makes is rape, legally or otherwise.

 

[Damerman]

Whats the point of having sex with an adolescent when you are married adult? Its clear something is wrong with her. 15 years sounds right.

She could have fucked 20 year olds if she looked hard enough, which wouldnt be that hard for someone that looks like her. But to deliberately go after high school students... Thats just wrong and predatory.

 

[riotous]

Isn't taking huge risks to have sex a component of sexual addiction? (and one of the markers of an addict in general)

Not that it excuses her actions in any way (IMO); just commenting on the "why would she do this?" train of thought.

 

[Jenenser]

gotta admit, didn't see that twist comin

 

[Damerman]

Isn't taking huge risks to have sex a component of sexual addiction? (and one of the markers of an addict in general)

Not that it excuses her actions in any way (IMO); just commenting on the "why would she do this?" train of thought.

This is the only argument for her case... I would personally investigate to see if she was a sex addict.

 

[zeemumu]

dang my mother has glasses just like those

she was afraid they weren't fashionabluh i have to show her that photo

I uh...I wouldn't go telling your mom that her glasses are fashionable because a rapist is wearing them.

 

[Lothar]

Whats the point of having sex with an adolescent when you are married adult? Its clear something is wrong with her. 15 years sounds right.

Something is clearly mentally wrong with her so no prison time, no more job as a teacher, and some required therapy sounds right. A insane person says locking her up for 15 years sounds right.

 

[SURGEdude]

I was just providing evidence that 15-year olds aren't rational. I have no issue with 15-year olds engaging in sexual activity. It's with a teacher who is 30 that makes is rape, legally or otherwise.

Ok I can agree on that.

The issue with rationality isn't a great one to base an argument on with regards to age though. I mean the woman is 30 and her act/s were certainly less rational than those of a horny 15 year old. In fact you could argue that the law is structured as such to punish her for doing something that is considered beyond unreasonable.

What he did makes sense for a horny teen(rational thinking), what she did was abuse of power and risking life in prison (irrational thinking).

 

[Northeastmonk]

I have to wonder how many cases of this go unnoticed. To think this always happens when the kid's parents or someone notices they're at their house or they're having sex in a car outside of a parking lot. Obviously this has been the most popular form of adult females committing sexual crimes lately or at least to my knowledge. I wonder about how much treatment she will need. What caused her to do this and how she'll cope with it. Men are basically harassed beyond words in prison. I'm not quite sure about women. A lot of men think they've done their time in prison and it doesn't help them when they get out. They don't think they need any more help.

It's still under age. Some people want men thrown in for their entire life. What can you say now that it's deemed like its a fantasy more than reality. Age of consent is still the age of consent no matter who you are. There's probably male offenders out there who are dead inside from their crimes.

 

[Griss]

Congratulations, you proved you can't read, because at no point in that bolded statement did I say it was infallible. Try again.

It is unfortunate that you don't understand what you yourself wrote, doubly so that even with assistance you could not understand, and triply so that you accuse me of being illiterate to hide said failing.

I'd love for you to explain what you think that bolded statement means.

 

[Volimar]

To put in context how crazy this sentence seems to me, here in Ireland the sentencing for a full-blown, no-queston-if-there-was-any-consent rape is 5-7 years. Coming from that background 15 years for this is so insane it boggles the mind. I can't help but wonder if the private prison industry in America has something to do with these ludicrous, cruel and unusual punishments.

Wow that's pretty rough for rape victims. Going through the trauma of a trial, reliving everything that happened while defense attorneys try to pick apart your story just to know that the person that raped you will be out in as little as five years...

 

[Timeaisis]

Is it just me or is it in bad taste to have the defendant's facebook photos plastered all over the news site?

Anyway, fucked up story.

 

[RadioJoNES64]

I thought the teacher would be 15 years old and the student would be 30 based on the thread title.

 

[Cream]

Seriously don't understand why these people just don't fuck people their own age. We have so many damn apps and websites dedicated to it. Shit boggles the mind. I'm sure she could have found some 2x year old dude who looks like he's stuck looking 16 and live out her fantasies that way.

I mean really, I don't understand risking your life over something like this.

Its kind of like asking a gay guy why he doesn't just fuck women. Mentally, I mean. People are just hard wired a certain way, unfortunately.

 

[Despera]

Something is clearly mentally wrong with her so no prison time, no more job as a teacher, and some required therapy sounds right. A insane person says locking her up for 15 years sounds right.

I have to agree with this.

But for your spouse to cheat on you with a 15 year old... damn

 

[dofry]

I clicked on this thread instead of CSI: cyber.
The OP made very little sense to a point.

 

[Volimar]

Its kind of like asking a gay guy why he doesn't just fuck women. Mentally, I mean. People are just hard wired a certain way, unfortunately.

You might get some shit for this post. People might think a comparison involving a woman going after a 15year old and a homosexual to be pretty distasteful.

 

[Northeastmonk]

Something is clearly mentally wrong with her so no prison time, no more job as a teacher, and some required therapy sounds right. A insane person says locking her up for 15 years sounds right.

You'd have to defend the couple hundred cases where the person may of touched someone outside their clothes or had done something thought provoking. It's a questionable judgment call on how long is long enough. There are sex centers like inpatient therapy. She could do the same thing a year from now. She had sex with a minor, a minor.

 

[Cream]

You might get some shit for this post. People might think a comparison involving a woman going after a 15year old and a homosexual to be pretty distasteful.

I figured :/

 

[Derekloffin]

It is unfortunate that you don't understand what you yourself wrote, doubly so that even with assistance you could not understand, and triply so that you accuse me of being illiterate to hide said failing.

I'd love for you to explain what you think that bolded statement means.

Look up "appropriate" in the dictionary... now look up "infallible"... oh they are different definitions and not even close to meaning the same thing. In fact, a common defense to making a mistake (so failing, you know not infallible) is that you took the appropriate action given the circumstances. So yeah, try again.

 

[Rembrandt]

Shes fucking hot, holy shit

Well, she is...

Doesn't make it right, but I'm really ambivalent about how we handle cases like this. Including male teachers and female students.

 

[Damerman]

I figured :/

Your analogy is saying sexual preference involves pedophilia. Pedophilia is not sexual preference... Thats predatory behavior.

 

[not_so_special]

What she didn't wasn't right due to the teacher-student relationship, but holy shit, 15 years? Are you fucking kidding me? That is utterly, utterly ridiculous and can only be evidence of some perverse puritan streak in the US criminal justice system.

only in the criminal justice system..its everywhere

 

[Cream]

Your analogy is saying sexual preference involves pedophilia. Pedophilia is not sexual preference... Thats predatory behavior.

Um...I thought Pedophilia was a sexual preference. A sexual preference for children.

 

[Beefy]

Is it just me or is it in bad taste to have the defendant's facebook photos plastered all over the news site?.

I thought the same.

 

[Angry Grimace]

Your analogy is saying sexual preference involves pedophilia. Pedophilia is not sexual preference... Thats predatory behavior.

Actually by the definition of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, she is not a pedophile. The DSM-V does not consider sex or even consistent fantasies with a 15 year old to be, generally speaking, pedophilia (unless they're an prepubescent 15 year old).

Acting on her desire to have sex with a 15 year old isn't indicative of a particular mental disorder, its indicative that she has a disdain for social mores and for the law.

 

[mantidor]

That sentence is insane.

 

[Toxi]

Um...I thought Pedophilia was a sexual preference. A sexual preference for children.

Acting on pedophillia is a bit different from acting on homosexuality.

Something is clearly mentally wrong with her so no prison time, no more job as a teacher, and some required therapy sounds right. A insane person says locking her up for 15 years sounds right.

We're talking about someone who repeatedly committed statutory rape. Having some (hypothetical in those case) mental issues does not mean you don't go to prison.

 

[CTLance]

Ooooh. That's gotta rank quite high on the normalised nutso scale. Married, rape of minor half her age, "just like in college", alcohol, teacher-student abuse. All that's missing is some sort of armed standoff upon being discovered.

That woman needs to see a shrink, pronto. This is just all kinds of wrong.

 

[blackflag]

Damn 15 years seems like a long time for statutory rape especially considering some other crimes.


On the other hand.....It's not very hard to not rape your students so I don't feel bad for her either.

 

[Mechanized]

Male pedophiles get fucked up in prison, I wonder if it's the same for female pedophiles?

 

[Cream]

Acting on pedophillia is a bit different from acting on homosexuality.

Obviously

 

[GameGuru59]

Completely insane. She should be fired for acting inappropriately in her role as a teacher, of course, and I suppose a month or two of community service for buying the guy alcohol would be reasonable to act as deterrent of such behavior in the future, but otherwise? No harm was done. It was consensual sex. If the boy suffered any trauma it was caused by knowing that his lover will waste years of her life in jail.

I was going to write a long post about how pissed I am about silly sentances like this. But then I saw this post, and it took the words right out of my mouth.

 

[Dai Kaiju]

Only because society tells them they should be having sex and they are somehow lesser or not "man enough" if they don't.

Men and women are only different because of society. There is no "male brain" or "female brain". Rape is rape. There are no qualifications.

Genuinely not sure if serious...

When you say "rape is rape" are you saying you don't think there is any distinction between a boy going through puberty and willingly having a sexual relationship with an adult vs. an adult forcing themselves onto someone who wants nothing to do with it?

 

[Northeastmonk]

Obviously

It's obviously different in today's society because we live past the age of 30. We aren't sworn into marriage at an early age (at least here we aren't). Plus every country has their own set of rules regarding a legal age of consent. We won't ever agree to a certain age, so it's just going to be accepted as is. That's what I took from a documentary I watched called, "Are all men pedophiles?". There's classifications on what people "prefer", but overall treatment for such things goes back to understanding what they did was wrong and how to prevent it. Lots of it stems from a person having prior abuse in their lives, so I'm not entirely sure if its natural. I've listened to cases before and a lot of it had previous abuse in their lives. She sounds like this may of been the reason for her committing the crime, but again she might have more to say once they analyze her. I've also had time to learn about said behavior in college.

 

[Griss]

Male pedophiles get fucked up in prison, I wonder if it's the same for female pedophiles?

I'm not sure, but as the criminal here is not a pedophile she won't get to find out.

 

[sooWoo!]

Byebye

??? I'm not condoning what he said if that's what you thought he meant, but that shouldn't warrant a ban for commenting on someone's looks. Jesus Christ.

 

[J-Rod]

Sounds good to me. Doesn't seem too much to ask of our educators not to fuck our children during the time we pay them to teach.

 

[Angry Grimace]

Only because society tells them they should be having sex and they are somehow lesser or not "man enough" if they don't.

Men and women are only different because of society. There is no "male brain" or "female brain". Rape is rape. There are no qualifications.

I mean, this is just factually wrong. There are many obvious physical and mental differences between men and women, its not even a debatable point.

You're taking the "gender is a social construct" thing way too far.

 

[GameGuru59]

Sounds good to me. Doesn't seem too much to ask of our educators not to fuck our children during the time we pay them to teach.

Some folks just have an itch that's gotta be scratched...

 

[la flama blanca]

nvm

 

[Killing_Joke]

Sorry but life in prison is ridiculous, idk how that was even on the table. 15 with parole sounds reasonable. She'll mmost likely get out early but tagged as a sex offender for life. Since she's pretty cute i wonder if that would hurt her chances at a good job or an uncomfortable neighborhood. Kinda curious.

 

[cashman]

I feel like the people making these sarcastic posts would be the same ones calling for a lynching if the genders were reversed.

What in the world could possibly cause you to think I would be sarcastic about the rape of a minor?

I abhore rape. Absolutely abhore it. But you think she should receive the same punishment as a murderer?

She should do time, no doubt, and the time should be equal as anyone else. A potential life sentence is way beyond what makes sense for rehabilitation (not that prisons manage that anyways).

Comparing rape and murder to disvalue rape is disgusting. This woman used a position of power as a teacher to drug and ruin a child's life. Being a teacher is a huge position of responsibility and should be held to a higher standard, how can you not say 15 years in jail is too light?