Anti-Trump Conservatives react to state of the Republican Party after Trump's Win.

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They're just mad because they can no longer pretend that their problems are all about image. It's about the priorities and values that are at the heart of the party that paralyze their ability to respond to a candidate running on the things Trump's been running on.
 
Pretty much. My parents are already rationalizing jumping in with trump.

My parents (Dad and stepmom, my mom is a die hard Hillary supporter to the point I get rants from her about Bernie) already long ago decided he's not bad (they just preferred other candidates). But, I'm surprised they don't prefer him. Dad has always loved Rush Limbaugh and found everything he said "so true" and mom thinks the tea party has a point. And they're both big Fox News watcher who swallows the "only non biased news" line hook, line, and sinker. I dunno, it seems like he is catering directly to their stuff (even with the anti political correctness feel. One of dad's pet peeves is political correctness. For example he liked Star Wars except that he thought it was too contrived that they used a female and a black person as main stars and it was too obvious just catering to those PC people).

Right now they just like teasing me with Trump cause they feel it would hit my hot buttons best (even though honestly I'm a little relieved it's not going to be Cruz. Not that I like Trump or think he isn't a disaster but he's still better than Cruz imho. Says more about how badly I think of Cruz than what I think of Trump).

Oh, and they'd vote whoever is running Republican. Before McCain won the candidacy he was my dad's least favorite (Rino! and too willing to cater to the other side) until he won. And all the sudden he then had my dad's support. I have no illusions that they'd support who ever won the Republican nomination.
 
http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-acti...confirm-supreme-court-nominee-after-trump-win
GOP urged to confirm Supreme Court nominee after Trump win
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ALL HANDS ON DECK, THE SHIP IS SINKING AND WE NEED TO GET ON THIS MORE MODERATE LIFE RAFT OR ELSE THE NEXT ONE WILL BE FULL OF GAYS, ABORTION AND COMMIES FOR SURE.
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But wait! They weren't playing politics with the Supreme Court seat. It was about allowing the people to have a voice. And the people are choosing Trump or Hillary. So clearly they should wait for the winner of that election to make the decision!
 
people are confusing the Republican Base with the Republican apparatus

the Establishment of the Party is not in sync with Republican Base or leaning Republicans
The Republican apparatus has whipped the base towards this very logical conclusion of all their xenophobic, race-baiting, anti-intellectual, post-policy dog whistle rhetoric, for years. Everyone had their marching orders and everyone seemed pretty happy with them until they lost plausible deniability for their endgame once Trump took over.
 
They stood by and let this happen to their party. Fuck em. They're so far to the right that I can't support them. I share many conservative values, but I can't support a party that tolerates and runs on bigotry and ignorance. Best thing that can come out of this is a more moderate Republican Party, but I doubt we'll see it.
 
They (Republican Party) only have themselves to blame.

I'm hoping to see they have a complete restructuring come as a result of this, but we'll see what happens in the end.
 
Are these republicans upset?

I mean this is what they've supported all these years, Trump just bought it up to the surface

Most of the smarter republicans are upset that he's going to lose the general election thanks his overt racism, not upset that he's a racist.

There's also a ton of elites that do hate his policies because he's basically the first republican since Eisenhower to ever have any policies that big corporations dislike.
 
I know people are enjoying the implosion of the GOP, but I really do hope there is some genuine self reflection.

Not all Conservatives have contributed to the hateful rhetoric that's enabled people like Trump to prosper. Their party has been hijacked by radicals and it's sad.
To be honest, they should've started reflecting after Romney lost, but it just seemed to make matters worse.
 
They're still going to vote for him. The lesser of the L's as far as they're concerned. We can't ignore that we're dealing with a great deal of GOP figureheads that would rather shore up their support and wealth and watch it all burn down around us than concede and do the right thing. Watch the narrative flip completely and Trump be held as a savior for republican standards across the board. Trump IS your GOP now.
 
The fact you have some establishment republicans saying they will vote for Hillary instead of Trump should speak volumes. Not to mention his horrendous polling with women and minorities.
 
I wonder if the Dems get pulled right a bit via an influx of centrists over the next 2 years or so.

Nation quickly moving left, but it could temper things slightly in a not-so-obvious way.

I suppose that's possible, but even two years with a government full of Lieberman's and Crist's would be a significant move left over republican control and obstructionism.
 
I know people are enjoying the implosion of the GOP, but I really do hope there is some genuine self reflection.

Not all Conservatives have contributed to the hateful rhetoric that's enabled people like Trump to prosper. Their party has been hijacked by radicals and it's sad.

True, not all of them are hateful, but the party and it's core tenants are still deplorable and embarrassing. Read about the Southern Strategy. It's been the GOPs core strategy since the 60s to target and focus primarily on white Southern voters and hope minorities either don't vote or can't vote
 
I know people are enjoying the implosion of the GOP, but I really do hope there is some genuine self reflection.

Not all Conservatives have contributed to the hateful rhetoric that's enabled people like Trump to prosper. Their party has been hijacked by radicals and it's sad.

If they fell in line with the race-baiting, misogynistic, transphobic, classist, obstructionist platform the Republican party has run on for about 40 years then yes, they are complicit in the rhetoric of their party.

They had two chances for self-reflection in 2008 and 2012 that seemed blatantly obvious to any observer, but they repeatedly followed their strategy of trying to con poor white people into voting against their own interests, and riling up their usual base of evangelicals, nutjobs and old racists.
 
I know people are enjoying the implosion of the GOP, but I really do hope there is some genuine self reflection.

Not all Conservatives have contributed to the hateful rhetoric that's enabled people like Trump to prosper. Their party has been hijacked by radicals and it's sad.

Eh, 99% of the leadership and establishment had ignored the means for the end results. Now that the logical conclusion of pushing those means hits them, they cry foul?

Sorry that they though playing with xenophobia, domination politics, and anti-intellectualism would never come back to haunt them. But it had. They need to own this, and fix their damn mess.

Where's the fucking leadership?
 
A lot of these people probably won't vote for Hillary, but there's a decent chance they just don't vote for the presidential race. That's what I kind of expect to happen, especially in suburbia.
 
Not all Conservatives have contributed to the hateful rhetoric that's enabled people like Trump to prosper. Their party has been hijacked by radicals and it's sad.

How many of them have contributed to:

- Making voter ID laws unacceptable in a post-Civil Rights Movement America?

- Ending modern forms of discrimination against minorities and women, such as the gender pay gap, drug wars, scapegoating of immigrants, demonization of Muslims and anyone else from the Middle East/Southeast Asia, perpetuation of Middle Age sexual norms based on the idea that female promiscuity is the worst possible sin, etc.?

- Advancing the study of climate change and policies aimed at curbing climate change as a serious matter that it is unacceptable for their colleagues to ignore?

- Fixing our broken campaign finance system?

- Addressing income inequality through measures that limit the ability of the super-rich to exploit working class people to amass huge wealth?

- Making healthcare a right and not a privilege?

The problem with the Republican Party today is that it - as a party institution - is committed to exactly the opposite of all of these things. And those commitments make it toothless against, and indeed a contributor to, hateful rhetoric, xenophobia, misogyny, anti-scientific policy, increasing inequality and decreasing economic mobility, etc.
 
I know several moderates (or people who typically vote Republican but not always) in my family that have already said they were going to be voting for Hillary if Trump got the nomination. They were supporting Rubio lmao.
 
Who exactly did they want to win instead? Trump is the best option out of all the terrible candidates they offered this election...


Bush, Rubio, Cruz, etc were all nightmares and would have done far worse to this country than Trump can even imagine.
 
Donald Trump is backed by the KKK and Neo-nazis. He advocates war crimes, is a massive racist, and has a terrible grasp on politics. Why would anyone think he's not that bad?
 
In a few decades when someone makes a thread about great historical quotes or burns this will be in there.

Ben Shapiro said:
You're a conspiratorial piece of progressive refuse with fewer brain cells than your average supporter has teeth.
 
Craziest part about this is like Hilary and Obama to some extent are way more centrist than they are as far left as the fox news has led people to believe.

Republicans have totally created a monster with their overall rhetoric and coded hate speech.

Fact is the Republican Party by in large is a party of white people (no hyperbole).

In the 2012 Presidential Election 88 percent of the voters who voted GOP were white.

Among state level elected Republicans nationwide 98% are white.

in 2012 Romney won 59% of the white vote.

white women favored Romney 56% to 42 %
White males were at 62%

Even the youngest white age bracket only 44% voted for obama.
This was from a book i highly recommend anyone who wants a great understanding of todays political climate to read. Called:
Dog Whistle Politics: How Coded Racial Appeals Have Reinvented Racism and Wrecked the Middle Class

Now this isnt to say all white people are racist etc, however this does say that it seems like race is one of the biggest factors in how people vote.

Pretty damn crazy.
 
Donald Trump is backed by the KKK and Neo-nazis. He advocates war crimes, is a massive racist, and has a terrible grasp on politics. Why would anyone think he's not that bad?

Someone else said it best in poligaf,

"Clinton: God she's such a phony. All she does is pander, you can't believe a word she says!
Trump: He's a real genuine guy. All the crazy stuff he says is just pandering, you know deep down he's a liberal and a-ok!"
 
Donald Trump is backed by the KKK and Neo-nazis. He advocates war crimes, is a massive racist, and has a terrible grasp on politics. Why would anyone think he's not that bad?
Because the people that think he's not that bad are the ones that don't get affected by the toxic shit he says.
 
Someone else said it best in poligaf,

"Clinton: God she's such a phony. All she does is pander, you can't believe a word she says!
Trump: He's a real genuine guy. All the crazy stuff he says is just pandering, you know deep down he's a liberal and a-ok!"

Huh? where is the problem in people thinking Hillary is going to be way right of what she is campaigning as and Trump will be way left of what he is campaigning as? If you believe they are both pandering, then the one who ends up closest to your ideal position is the best bet...

But it's a stretch to think Hillary will swing so far right and Trump will swing so far left that they'll criss cross.
 
Trump is just a manifestation of George Wallace conservatism. It's not a hard right as some of Cruz's stuff, but it's nationalistic and based on a theory of white supremacism. So that's not someone I'd consider "centrist".

Huh? where is the problem in people thinking Hillary is going to be way right of what she is campaigning as and Trump will be way left of what he is campaigning as? If you believe they are both pandering, then the one who ends up closest to your ideal position is the best bet...

Neither has shown that they're moderating their tone or ideas. Hillary's been the presumptive nominee since New York (really, earlier) and Trump spent the night after winning the Acela Primary saying that Hillary would be at 5% if she were a man. So...
 
So it's gonna be Hillary vs Trump, huh. What a time to be alive.

Fellow sometimes republican voters, time to jump ship to the libertarian ticket. I mean, Hillary is probably gonna win, anyway. Might as well see how many votes we can throw behind Gary Johnson or something while we're at it.
 
"It's OK, he's just pretending! I bet based on no evidence he'll reach across the aisle!"

That is by far the craziest thing i hear people say. like they dont believe this man doesnt want to fully torture people etc. " Its a joke!" like what? are you that deluded and disenfranchised that you cannot see how bad this guy is.
 
Donald Trump is backed by the KKK and Neo-nazis. He advocates war crimes, is a massive racist, and has a terrible grasp on politics. Why would anyone think he's not that bad?

If you think all of those things are unacceptable, I think a very large segment of Republican (and Independent) voters will probably disappoint you.
 
So it's gonna be Hillary vs Trump, huh. What a time to be alive.

Fellow sometimes republican voters, time to jump ship to the libertarian ticket. I mean, Hillary is probably gonna win, anyway. Might as well see how many votes we can throw behind Gary Johnson or something while we're at it.

I tried that last election. Didn't amount to diddly squat.

If you want some actual change, vote straight democrat. The best thing that can possibly happen right now is that the republican party gets completely destroyed and rebuilt. It'd be nice to have some meaningful voting options.
 
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