AP: Clinton clinches Democratic Nomination

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I dunno, seems like a cheap way for the media to declare her the nominee before the California results. Almost like they don't want people to come out and vote for Bernie.

And no, don't call me out for being a hurt Sanders supporter. I know he won't be the nominee.
It's not that the media doesn't want people to vote. Clinton has enough delegates to be nominee and barring some weird miracle in the 4(I think) primaries tomorrow he won't have close to enough to challenge her. Super delegaes switching to the less popular nominee would be insane and unprecendted, I believe, so unless Bernie wins like 80% of the available delagates tomorrow she's the presumptive nominee.
 
I wish Bernie had won. But his campaign has pretty much just winged it. Hillary had 8 years to plan this out. If Bernie had been more organized, and had a plan that didn't include "screw the South", I really think he would have won. But he didn't and he lost.

Well, looks like I'm not voting Democrat then.

Hillary is hardly the ideal candidate. She's a liar. Her administration will have zero transparency.

But she's better than Trump, and SCOTUS is too important. In my mind I'm voting for the Supreme Court and she's the unfortunate baggage that comes with that.

Fucking super-delegates. Let the people decide.

She's something like 3m+ votes ahead of Bernie.
 
Political science should be a mandatory thing in high school. There are so many, that just don't understand how the process works.

It is in some districts, but I don't think they go in-depth enough with the election process. It usually ends up boiling down to History: The Political Edition.

I've talked to a lot of people this cycle who were confused or had a bad handle on how it worked. Doesn't help that social media lets folks spew really really bad information. I have a degree in American Government and still had people try to tell me some outlandish things. There is a difference between having an opinion and not understanding how the mechanisms of the electoral process work. And boy oh boy was there a lot of that this year.
 
The real issue is that the state doesn't want to move state and local primaries, and it's really expensive to hold a separate presidential primary. We could theoretically move as far back as March, but won't because ??? then candidates might seriously campaign here and pretend to care about Californian issues?

So really I should direct my ire at the state government. As usual.

If California moved ahead of any other state, that state would just leapfrog California. There is no scenario that ends with the California primary being relevant. The other issue is that it is highly likely that the DNC would not seat California delegates if California made an aggressive move to bump up the primary; this happened to Michigan and Florida last time around when they unilaterally moved up their primaries.
 
I dunno, seems like a cheap way for the media to declare her the nominee before the California results. Almost like they don't want people to come out and vote for Bernie.

And no, don't call me out for being a hurt Sanders supporter. I know he won't be the nominee.
There was/is concern from her campaign that in her formally becoming the presumptive nominee it would depress turnout for her. She had a bunch of superdelegates ready in waiting for after this Tuesday.
 
Haha. Whining about supers. She got more states, more pledged and more raw votes. If that's not the will of the people then I don't know what is.

To be fair, many Dem primaries were not open primaries. I think things would be a bit different if they were. And the south is still a weirdly right wing part fo the country. No way Sanders had a chance there.
 
I hope you don't live in a district with a tightly contested race then. Because you're directly hindering forward progress in this country if you do.

Take your ball and go home has never made sense.
Voting for a candidate you don't believe in has never made sense to me.
 
Well. At least she can easily make it look like the alien from American Dad.

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Dr.Penguin?

Edit: wait no, that episode I want to say he is Dr. Yaya.
 
You would assume, but this was not a given. It also didn't stop news outlets from reporting them along with pledged delegates.

I'm not sure why the system exists if they always vote with pledged delegates.

Sanders wasn't close though.

To keep from having contested conventions when no one hits the needed amount of pledged delegates.

Superdelegates that vote in the direction of the pledged delegate counts is much preferable to the party's nomination being decided by backroom deals made amongst party insiders.
 
I'm not voting from Trump either. Probably won't vote at all.

So you really aren't all that dedicated to a political revolution unless you get it exactly your way eh? This type of apathy and all talk but no conviction is the reason people roll their eyes at "Bernie Bros"
 
Watching the new threads roll in to r/s4p is fascinating.

The AP is lying, don't watch media, this is a GREAT time to donate to Bernie, let's go third party.
 
To keep from having contested conventions when no one hits the needed amount of pledged delegates.

Superdelegates that vote in the direction of the pledged delegate counts is much preferable to the party's nomination being decided by backroom deals made amongst party insiders.
It also lets them manually abort a Trump.
 
It is in some districts, but I don't think they go in-depth enough with the election process. It usually ends up boiling down to History: The Political Edition.

I've talked to a lot of people his cycle who were confused or had a bad handle on how it worked. Doesn't help that social media lets folks spew really really bad information. I have a degree in American Government and still had people try to tell me some outlandish things. There is a difference between having an opinion and not understanding how the mechanisms of the electoral process work. And boy oh boy was there a lot of that this year.

Yeah you're right. Usually "government" is taught for like a semester. But yeah it seems it is more of a history extension rather than understanding how the process works in depth.
 
I'm not voting from Trump either. Probably won't vote at all.

Ahh the "conscious" vote.

In the real world, sometimes you do not get all of the candy. Sometimes you get a little bit of the candy and that is better than getting a pile of actual flaming garbage. Don’t just think about yourself… Think about the people who will be affected by the policies of the next president, as well as the people who will be affected by the Supreme Court. Unless your politics is just about whatever T-shirt you wear, in which case you really ought to get more into football.
You think this is condescending? I’m using small words to help you understand what many, many, many of us get: your assertion that you can’t in good conscience vote for Hillary is an insult to me and women and queer folks and all the people who benefit and even have a chance to thrive under Democratic policies. You’d consign us to 4 years of Trump and two or three decades of a disgusting, vile Supreme Court because you have a sad feelz in your tum-tum?
You’re goddamn right I’m condescending to you. You deserve this.
Get with the fucking program.

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I'm kind of bummed that they announced this now, doing it before the CA primary where Bernie will likely get Berned just makes it look more rigged to people who think it's already rigged.

There's no coming back for them unfortunately. They were going to believe that regardless.
 
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We’re flattered, @AP, but we've got primaries to win. CA, MT, NM, ND, NJ, SD, vote tomorrow!
 
Saw this coming from a long time ago (like a lot of people). It was a good try, Bernie (except the last few months, that was pretty garbage).

Time to throw in with Hilary. She's not perfect but I think she gets a lot more flack than she should, and will overall be a good president. Hope she has a few good justice nominees lined up already.
 
So you really aren't all that dedicated to a political revolution unless you get it exactly your way eh? This type of apathy and all talk but no conviction is the reason people roll their eyes at "Bernie Bros"
So really, people aren't dedicated to a political revolution unless they vote how you see fit? People are entitled to exercise their right to vote in any way they choose, whether you agree with it or not.

Anyway, congratulations to Hillary!
 
Voting for a candidate you don't believe in has never made sense to me.

It's pretty common and normal to vote for a candidate that reasonably lines up with what direction you want to see the town/city/county/state/country go even if you don't agree with them 100%. It's also common to not vote in a vacuum and understand larger implications of what a vote means in context of who else is running for an office.
 
Hillary is hardly the ideal candidate. She's a liar. Her administration will have zero transparency.

But she's better than Trump, and SCOTUS is too important. In my mind I'm voting for the Supreme Court and she's the unfortunate baggage that comes with that.

There are days where I am legit cringing/raging/puzzled at some of what she does, says, chooses, etc.

But control of SCOTUS through the 2040s - along with the opporunity to overturn some of the truly shitty 5-4 decisions of the past 3-4 decades - is so damn monumental.

This kind of chance doesn't come up very often at all. We allllmost did it in 2000, and now, 16 years later, we have a shot to re-align the judiciary to the left. She as President will be gone in a mere 4 or 8 years, but for many, this election's results will echo into the future, covering much of the rest of our lives.

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For those who are disappointed, I understand to some extent. I'm not used to getting my primary pick; I usually pick the more liberal guy. But if Trump wins, Bernie's vision is judicially dead. At the very least, if you're in a swing state, you can vote to keep his vision alive.
 
To be fair, many Dem primaries were not open primaries. I think things would be a bit different if they were. And the south is still a weirdly right wing part fo the country. No way Sanders had a chance there.
It also would look different if we didn't have undemocratic caucuses, but those benefited Sanders so we've heard nary a peep about their terrible process and how they've disenfranchised voters (and in states that have held both, Clinton has won with the high turnout primaries but lost in low turnout caucuses).

Living in the south doesn't make you conservative, Clinton won there because it has a huge number of black voters and, like black voters in every other part of the nation, they chose her over Sanders. If being in a red state means he wouldn't win, he wouldn't have won Idaho or Utah.
 
I wish Bernie had won. But his campaign has pretty much just winged it. Hillary had 8 years to plan this out. If Bernie had been more organized, and had a plan that didn't include "screw the South", I really think he would have won. But he didn't and he lost.



Hillary is hardly the ideal candidate. She's a liar. Her administration will have zero transparency.

But she's better than Trump, and SCOTUS is too important. In my mind I'm voting for the Supreme Court and she's the unfortunate baggage that comes with that.

My feelings. I'm voting against Trump, as anyone purporting to support Bernie's ideas should. I tell you, though, the gloating in this thread is really off-putting. In my experience most folks aren't wild about Hillary--voting for her is a political expediency for many, nothing more.
 
I hope you don't live in a district with a tightly contested race then. Because you're directly hindering forward progress in this country if you do.

Take your ball and go home has never made sense.

Let him do what he wants. This is a democracy. If more people want to vote Trump or no one at all then that's the America we live in. You can't support democracy against a tyrant in one breath and then disenfranchise an American citizen of voting age in another.
 
So you wouldn't vote for Bernie either? Given the 93% similar voting record?
Chimps and humans have 96% shared DNA. Pretty much the same, right?

Hillary is a hawk that has supported the Patriot Act. I am having pangs of conscience over voting for her. Sanders has been losing my confidence as well over his increasingly paranoid attacks on his peers.

For many, it's the better alternative versus a candidate who I believe will do direct harm.
I think both will do direct harm, so I have trouble voting for either.

This has been the system since the dawn of democracy. You vote for whoever most closely aligns with you, not who necessarily completely aligns with you.
Maybe I will, in the end, but the interest isn't there right now.

It's pretty common and normal to vote for a candidate that reasonably lines up with what direction you want to see the town/city/county/state/country go even if you don't agree with them 100%. It's also common to not vote in a vacuum and understand larger implications of what a vote means in context of who else is running for an office.
When I did that survey GAF was passing around that determined which politician you agreed with the most, Bernie Sanders was my highest at 77%, and IIRC Hillary Clinton was below 70%, which means she's a "D" grade fit for me. It was hard enough to be interested in Sanders.

In my mind, when I vote for a candidate, I am on the line for what that candidate does. The wars Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump will start are on me. If there are no good choices, I feel it is more respectable to not support anyone.
 
Voting for a candidate you don't believe in has never made sense to me.

Because the alternative is demonstratively worse.

This isn't a hard concept to understand here. Being invested only to the point where your guy loses to the point where you're not even going to go out and vote in your local elections, I'm sorry, that's bullshit.
 
My feelings. I'm voting against Trump, as anyone purporting to support Bernie's ideas should. I tell you, though, the gloating in this thread is really off-putting. In my experience most folks aren't wild about Hillary--voting for her is a political expediency for many, nothing more.

Anyone who goes from Bernie supporter to Trump supporter clearly had absolutely no idea what Bernie's message was.
 
People keep saying this, but no they hadn't. Not all them. Not yet. Leading does not equal winning if you take out the supers. The people and only the people should have decided.
If he won every single delegate tomorrow and from Washington DC he would still be 100 delegates short of the nomination.

Ie in fantasyland bullshit fanfiction delusion world he still needed superdelegates.

The people decided already.
 
It's important to remind us Californians that our vote doesn't matter.

Can you imagine if California was the first state to vote in the primaries? It would be interesting to see that many delegates get sorted from the jump. Instead we are always dead last and the race is already decided by the time it gets here. Had California been first, I bet things would have been very different for the Republicans.
 
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