It's not that the media doesn't want people to vote. Clinton has enough delegates to be nominee and barring some weird miracle in the 4(I think) primaries tomorrow he won't have close to enough to challenge her. Super delegaes switching to the less popular nominee would be insane and unprecendted, I believe, so unless Bernie wins like 80% of the available delagates tomorrow she's the presumptive nominee.
AP: Clinton clinches Democratic Nomination
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Dash_Riprock
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They have.
DrForester
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I wish Bernie had won. But his campaign has pretty much just winged it. Hillary had 8 years to plan this out. If Bernie had been more organized, and had a plan that didn't include "screw the South", I really think he would have won. But he didn't and he lost.
Hillary is hardly the ideal candidate. She's a liar. Her administration will have zero transparency.
But she's better than Trump, and SCOTUS is too important. In my mind I'm voting for the Supreme Court and she's the unfortunate baggage that comes with that.
She's something like 3m+ votes ahead of Bernie.
Hillary is hardly the ideal candidate. She's a liar. Her administration will have zero transparency.
But she's better than Trump, and SCOTUS is too important. In my mind I'm voting for the Supreme Court and she's the unfortunate baggage that comes with that.
She's something like 3m+ votes ahead of Bernie.
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
It is in some districts, but I don't think they go in-depth enough with the election process. It usually ends up boiling down to History: The Political Edition.
I've talked to a lot of people this cycle who were confused or had a bad handle on how it worked. Doesn't help that social media lets folks spew really really bad information. I have a degree in American Government and still had people try to tell me some outlandish things. There is a difference between having an opinion and not understanding how the mechanisms of the electoral process work. And boy oh boy was there a lot of that this year.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
If California moved ahead of any other state, that state would just leapfrog California. There is no scenario that ends with the California primary being relevant. The other issue is that it is highly likely that the DNC would not seat California delegates if California made an aggressive move to bump up the primary; this happened to Michigan and Florida last time around when they unilaterally moved up their primaries.
shinra-bansho
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There was/is concern from her campaign that in her formally becoming the presumptive nominee it would depress turnout for her. She had a bunch of superdelegates ready in waiting for after this Tuesday.
To be fair, many Dem primaries were not open primaries. I think things would be a bit different if they were. And the south is still a weirdly right wing part fo the country. No way Sanders had a chance there.
Karsticles
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Voting for a candidate you don't believe in has never made sense to me.
sturgboski
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Well. At least she can easily make it look like the alien from American Dad.
Dr.Penguin?
Edit: wait no, that episode I want to say he is Dr. Yaya.
It's all been for nothing.
Grover Cleveland
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To keep from having contested conventions when no one hits the needed amount of pledged delegates.
Superdelegates that vote in the direction of the pledged delegate counts is much preferable to the party's nomination being decided by backroom deals made amongst party insiders.
DietRob
i've been begging for over 5 years.
So you really aren't all that dedicated to a political revolution unless you get it exactly your way eh? This type of apathy and all talk but no conviction is the reason people roll their eyes at "Bernie Bros"
Lol
It also lets them manually abort a Trump.
GoldenEye 007
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Yeah you're right. Usually "government" is taught for like a semester. But yeah it seems it is more of a history extension rather than understanding how the process works in depth.
Aaronrules380
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So you wouldn't vote for Bernie either? Given the 93% similar voting record?
GutsOfThor
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Ahh the "conscious" vote.
Taken from this article:https://medium.com/@SaraJBenincasa/...not-a-human-tire-fire-4a3f48dff372#.kf5vdxs9t
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
There's no coming back for them unfortunately. They were going to believe that regardless.
smokeymicpot
Beat EviLore at pool.
First time checking out that subreddit today and they are insane.
Officerrob
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‏@HillaryClinton Hillary Clinton Retweeted AP Politics
Were flattered, @AP, but we've got primaries to win. CA, MT, NM, ND, NJ, SD, vote tomorrow!
‏@HillaryClinton Hillary Clinton Retweeted AP Politics
Were flattered, @AP, but we've got primaries to win. CA, MT, NM, ND, NJ, SD, vote tomorrow!
People keep saying this, but no they hadn't. Not all them. Not yet. Leading does not equal winning if you take out the supers. The people and only the people should have decided.
eBay Huckster
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Shit, in some places that might actually improve the general state of infrastructure.
A Link to the Past
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For many, it's the better alternative versus a candidate who I believe will do direct harm.
echoshifting
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Smart but also unsurprising.
burn this down
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"But here's why Bernie still has a chance!"
Saw this coming from a long time ago (like a lot of people). It was a good try, Bernie (except the last few months, that was pretty garbage).
Time to throw in with Hilary. She's not perfect but I think she gets a lot more flack than she should, and will overall be a good president. Hope she has a few good justice nominees lined up already.
Time to throw in with Hilary. She's not perfect but I think she gets a lot more flack than she should, and will overall be a good president. Hope she has a few good justice nominees lined up already.
So really, people aren't dedicated to a political revolution unless they vote how you see fit? People are entitled to exercise their right to vote in any way they choose, whether you agree with it or not.
Anyway, congratulations to Hillary!
3 million more votes, the people have decided.
She shook.
User 463088
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yasssss queen yasssss.
I wanted it tomorrow....OMG.
I wanted it tomorrow....OMG.
She knows he still has a chance!
GoldenEye 007
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It's pretty common and normal to vote for a candidate that reasonably lines up with what direction you want to see the town/city/county/state/country go even if you don't agree with them 100%. It's also common to not vote in a vacuum and understand larger implications of what a vote means in context of who else is running for an office.
There are days where I am legit cringing/raging/puzzled at some of what she does, says, chooses, etc.
But control of SCOTUS through the 2040s - along with the opporunity to overturn some of the truly shitty 5-4 decisions of the past 3-4 decades - is so damn monumental.
This kind of chance doesn't come up very often at all. We allllmost did it in 2000, and now, 16 years later, we have a shot to re-align the judiciary to the left. She as President will be gone in a mere 4 or 8 years, but for many, this election's results will echo into the future, covering much of the rest of our lives.
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For those who are disappointed, I understand to some extent. I'm not used to getting my primary pick; I usually pick the more liberal guy. But if Trump wins, Bernie's vision is judicially dead. At the very least, if you're in a swing state, you can vote to keep his vision alive.
Bonen no Max'd
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It also would look different if we didn't have undemocratic caucuses, but those benefited Sanders so we've heard nary a peep about their terrible process and how they've disenfranchised voters (and in states that have held both, Clinton has won with the high turnout primaries but lost in low turnout caucuses).
Living in the south doesn't make you conservative, Clinton won there because it has a huge number of black voters and, like black voters in every other part of the nation, they chose her over Sanders. If being in a red state means he wouldn't win, he wouldn't have won Idaho or Utah.
balladofwindfishes
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This has been the system since the dawn of democracy. You vote for whoever most closely aligns with you, not who necessarily completely aligns with you.
freethoughtbubble
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My feelings. I'm voting against Trump, as anyone purporting to support Bernie's ideas should. I tell you, though, the gloating in this thread is really off-putting. In my experience most folks aren't wild about Hillary--voting for her is a political expediency for many, nothing more.
OneEightZero
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*avatar bump*
Let's do this. ^_^
#TeamHills
Let's do this. ^_^
#TeamHills
BenjaminBirdie
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Let him do what he wants. This is a democracy. If more people want to vote Trump or no one at all then that's the America we live in. You can't support democracy against a tyrant in one breath and then disenfranchise an American citizen of voting age in another.
Karsticles
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Chimps and humans have 96% shared DNA. Pretty much the same, right?
Hillary is a hawk that has supported the Patriot Act. I am having pangs of conscience over voting for her. Sanders has been losing my confidence as well over his increasingly paranoid attacks on his peers.
I think both will do direct harm, so I have trouble voting for either.
Maybe I will, in the end, but the interest isn't there right now.
When I did that survey GAF was passing around that determined which politician you agreed with the most, Bernie Sanders was my highest at 77%, and IIRC Hillary Clinton was below 70%, which means she's a "D" grade fit for me. It was hard enough to be interested in Sanders.
In my mind, when I vote for a candidate, I am on the line for what that candidate does. The wars Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump will start are on me. If there are no good choices, I feel it is more respectable to not support anyone.
Frozenprince
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Because the alternative is demonstratively worse.
This isn't a hard concept to understand here. Being invested only to the point where your guy loses to the point where you're not even going to go out and vote in your local elections, I'm sorry, that's bullshit.
BlastProcessing
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(The race was considerably closer in 2008. That race ended almost tied in total vote.)
DrForester
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Anyone who goes from Bernie supporter to Trump supporter clearly had absolutely no idea what Bernie's message was.
shinra-bansho
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If he won every single delegate tomorrow and from Washington DC he would still be 100 delegates short of the nomination.
Ie in fantasyland bullshit fanfiction delusion world he still needed superdelegates.
The people decided already.
Can you imagine if California was the first state to vote in the primaries? It would be interesting to see that many delegates get sorted from the jump. Instead we are always dead last and the race is already decided by the time it gets here. Had California been first, I bet things would have been very different for the Republicans.
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