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AP: Clinton clinches Democratic Nomination
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Not voting means you're okay with the greater evil winning.
Oh yes, Bernie's early run was very admirable and a very necessary shake up in politics that moved the discussion to the left and opened itself to normally apathetic young voters.
His later days have been petty, immature and plain damaging to the party.
Frozenprince
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If your morals are for liberal progressivism then you need to stop thinking in a four year fucking window and think about the impact of the US Federal Supreme Court being dominantly Liberal for 30+ years is.
Bernie supporters trumpet his long term ideals and fixes yet when push comes to shove to bite the bullet for progressivism in their obfuscated reality, suddenly that all falls away.
The complete and utter inability for the voting public at large to think long fucking term is why the GOP will run this country into the dirt.
Voting for an avowed anti-vaxxer in Jill Stein isn't the most "moral" thing to do either, btw.
Get your ass out there and vote Hillary. Trump is a complete asshole.
Not at all. She's earned it.
It's just this isn't how I expected it to go down, I guess the AP really wanted the scoop before NJ polls closed.
Grover Cleveland
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Obama can make one statement and end the Democratic Primary.
And I'm thinking he would if this goes beyond the end of this week
And I'm thinking he would if this goes beyond the end of this week
Orbis Tabula
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This has probably been posted, but I wonder if the Clinton camp decided to let this break tonight because they were nervous about California.
Obviously, she wins the nomination whether or not she wins California, and obviously she's going to win a ton of delegates tomorrow anyway, but the media narrative will always be about which ever state was the closest, and who won it. Especially for one as big as California. Ending it tonight pre-empts any bump or story Sanders might get from winning CA (assuming he would, even though I think she's favored.) This takes the wind out of those potential sails.
Obviously, she wins the nomination whether or not she wins California, and obviously she's going to win a ton of delegates tomorrow anyway, but the media narrative will always be about which ever state was the closest, and who won it. Especially for one as big as California. Ending it tonight pre-empts any bump or story Sanders might get from winning CA (assuming he would, even though I think she's favored.) This takes the wind out of those potential sails.
It's been 18 months of "allies" showing their asses, but I trust that there is enough good people to make some kind of headway
No, but the system happening to align with how it should work doesn't make it a good system. It was dumb in 04, it was dumb in 08, it's dumb now, and it'll be dumb in 2020.
Andrew Korenchkin
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Sanders was always number one for me, but Clinton will be fine as president. I just can't deal with Trump so I'll go for Clinton.
Officerrob
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Give it a couple days
Jesus Christ Bernie, just pack it in you sore loser.
I can't believe I ever supported this moron. Dude got straight rekt since early March. Go home. You are not helping anyone by being so stubborn.
plagiarize
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Compared to a Komodo dragon, yeah. Pretty much. What's your point?
Our job from now until the convention is to convince those superdelegates that Bernie is by far the strongest candidate against Donald Trump.
What. Your job is to win the majority of votes and not go against the will of the people. What the fuck?
Aaronrules380
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Unlikely, given all the polls have her up in California. Literally all of them.
Karsticles
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What are you even sorry for?
I WILL go out and vote. No question about that. I might just not vote for a presidential candidate - I'll gladly leave that portion blank if I think that neither candidate is a good fit for this nation's future.
Amazing reading skills. The point isn't that Hillary Clinton is a chimp (she is not - she is a very bright woman with poor judgment and questionable character), but that the "only 7% figure" is stupid.
This is blaming me for slave labor practices in a foreign nation because I'm not out protesting their practices. It's just a little silly. I'm not on the hook for what millions of people decide as their president. I'm on the hook for who I endorse.
She is undoubtedly better on economic and social issues. That's why I am at a "disinclined" voting position rather than a "no way in the world" voting position. I am also sympathetic to the importance of SCOTUS, and the danger of Donald Trump having control over an appointment.
I think the deciding factor, for me, will be how Hillary Clinton handles Donald Trump in a debate, what they bring up, etc. It's probably the only thing that can sway me right now.
Thanks for trying to have a conversation about it.
KefkaPalazzo
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I definitely don't agree with all of the Green Party's positions (nor did I do with Bernie for that matter) but I probably fall more in line with their platform than I do with Hillary.
Not to say she doesn't have time to win me over still. I'm not going to be one of those people who hold it against her that she beat the candidate I wanted.
Spoiled Milk
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Bernie should go back to wherever he was clinched from.
whyamihere
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There's a picture, I think the NYTimes might have ran it with one of their articles the other day? It's from the floor and you can only see the bottom of Hillary's pants and shoes, and behind her a group of little girls walking her speak.
If anyone could find that picture, I'd be eternally grateful.
If anyone could find that picture, I'd be eternally grateful.
Clown show. Absolute clown show.
So be less Bernie, more Hillary. Got it!
Frozenprince
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Enjoy wasting the amount of time you vote in the booth then.
US politics is a plurality, you vote the progressive D on the ballot to shift congress and the senate or you might as well vote for the big R because voting Green or Libertarian is effectively the same thing.
BlastProcessing
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Competing in the South would have required Sanders to modulate his message. He never really displayed an ability or even a willingness to do so.
eBay Huckster
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their platform is literally nothing but "we'll do what the democrats are doing, except twice as much of it and ten times faster because political constraints will magically stop affecting us" when it isn't said anti-science positions
KefkaPalazzo
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Put "Some" in front of that and I'd agree with you.
Melkezadek
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What could she do to win you over? What is it about the Green Party that appeals to you?
(genuinely curious, because I see this a lot)
This guy....
Reasonable statement
GrantDaNasty
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I still don't quite understand what's so dire about a Hillary Presidency. If anyone wishes to give me the bullet-point list, feel free, I might learn a thing or two.
On-topic though: Tear Trump a new one!
On-topic though: Tear Trump a new one!
Aaronrules380
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He's literally saying his plan is to try and convince the superdelegates to vote against the will of the people
Tal Shiar Agent
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What an egotistical bastard. It's pretty fucking obvious that he only cares about being in the limelight and not about the American people or else he'd be doing everything in his power to get his supporters to back Hillary now instead of having a tantrum and dragging this out for months.
Like what? I'm genuinely asking. Hillary's platform is already extremely close to Bernie's so if you supported him then Hillary shouldn't be too far off.
Frozenprince
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Either put your money where your mouth is on progressivism in this country or stop bitching when the country continues to slide downwards.
That's really all I have left to say.
That's really all I have left to say.
0 respect left for Bernie at this point
whyamihere
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Let's not even call the presidential election until December. What if there is a swell of faithless electors?!
Sirpopopop
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wait, so now popular vote does not matter and it is all about the delegates? Didnt Bernie camp complain about delegates being more important than popular vote previously?
This is getting pretty sad.
Hillary will not have any issues beating Trump.
Maybe poster is anti-science?
plagiarize
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I should say I don't like the press calling it before Clinton has won the majority of the pledged delegates, because that's the point at which its insane to think the super delegates will flip.
I mean, that's definitely going to happen tomorrow. But it still hasn't happened yet.
I mean, that's definitely going to happen tomorrow. But it still hasn't happened yet.
Abstrusity
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What am I supposed to do with all of these guillotines if we're not gonna burn it down?
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