AP: Clinton clinches Democratic Nomination

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Meh. Will vote for her if it looks close and if there is any distinct possibility Trump might get in, otherwise I will vote for Green.



Right, because he should totally go against his morals and vote for Her so another person that goes against his morals doesn't win.

I mean I'll be doing that, but I'm not enough of a jerk to tell others to.
Every election is the lesser of two evils.

Not voting means you're okay with the greater evil winning.
 
This is true, and I feel the same way about voting for her, but she's better than Trump on both economic and social issues. Significantly better. Look at it this way, Hillary can be a capable, center-left steward for the country until we can get someone more ethical and progressive in 2024. The country will be much more to the left then, and with a friendly court, there's no telling how much we can accomplish.

That's a win for me.

That's the spirit!

edit: I'm completely serious
 
can we stop this nonsense? this is a sport, it's to elect our next leader, so what if Bernie made Hillary squirm a bit? they both need to be vetted to hell and back! we should be glad that someone like Bernie Sanders ran, it hopefully means it galvanizes people into paying close attention to their local races.
Oh yes, Bernie's early run was very admirable and a very necessary shake up in politics that moved the discussion to the left and opened itself to normally apathetic young voters.

His later days have been petty, immature and plain damaging to the party.
 
Meh. Will vote for her if it looks close and if there is any distinct possibility Trump might get in, otherwise I will vote for Green.



Right, because he should totally go against his morals and vote for Her so another person that goes against his morals doesn't win.

If your morals are for liberal progressivism then you need to stop thinking in a four year fucking window and think about the impact of the US Federal Supreme Court being dominantly Liberal for 30+ years is.

Bernie supporters trumpet his long term ideals and fixes yet when push comes to shove to bite the bullet for progressivism in their obfuscated reality, suddenly that all falls away.

The complete and utter inability for the voting public at large to think long fucking term is why the GOP will run this country into the dirt.

Voting for an avowed anti-vaxxer in Jill Stein isn't the most "moral" thing to do either, btw.
 
I kind of wish they'd waited because the timing of the announcement is now just another example of the establishment trying to take Bernie down with numbers.
 
This has probably been posted, but I wonder if the Clinton camp decided to let this break tonight because they were nervous about California.

Obviously, she wins the nomination whether or not she wins California, and obviously she's going to win a ton of delegates tomorrow anyway, but the media narrative will always be about which ever state was the closest, and who won it. Especially for one as big as California. Ending it tonight pre-empts any bump or story Sanders might get from winning CA (assuming he would, even though I think she's favored.) This takes the wind out of those potential sails.
 
Everyone take a chill pill and remember that the people you're ranting at are people.

Regardless of who your candidate is, treat each other with some basic civility, please.
 
That was always his intent. His nom was never real it was all just to show how idiotic the current house and senate are to try and get the american people off their collective asses to fix it.

I have doubts, judging by the apathy of many progressives now that their golden boy lost, that it'll happen.

It's been 18 months of "allies" showing their asses, but I trust that there is enough good people to make some kind of headway
 
Maybe so. In which case Hilary has an over 3 million lead in popular vote anyways, so nothing changes. Or do you honestly think Bernie has at getting over 3 million more votes than Hilary gets in tomorrows results and DC?

No, but the system happening to align with how it should work doesn't make it a good system. It was dumb in 04, it was dumb in 08, it's dumb now, and it'll be dumb in 2020.
 
This has probably been posted, but I wonder if the Clinton camp decided to let this break tonight because they were nervous about California.

Obviously, she wins the nomination whether or not she wins California, and obviously she's going to win a ton of delegates tomorrow anyway, but the media narrative will always be about which ever state was the closest, and who won it. Especially for one as big as California. Ending it tonight pre-empts any bump or story Sanders might get from winning CA (assuming he would, even though I think she's favored.) This takes the wind out of those potential sails.
Unlikely, given all the polls have her up in California. Literally all of them.
 
Because the alternative is demonstratively worse.

This isn't a hard concept to understand here. Being invested only to the point where your guy loses to the point where you're not even going to go out and vote in your local elections, I'm sorry, that's bullshit.
What are you even sorry for?

I WILL go out and vote. No question about that. I might just not vote for a presidential candidate - I'll gladly leave that portion blank if I think that neither candidate is a good fit for this nation's future.

WOW that's a new one. Amazing. Hillary is a chimp now apparently.

Bernie bros really do have the worst analogies in the world.
Amazing reading skills. The point isn't that Hillary Clinton is a chimp (she is not - she is a very bright woman with poor judgment and questionable character), but that the "only 7% figure" is stupid.

I'm sure the people who suffer under Trump's malevolence and incompetence will be glad to know that at least you didn't have to feel bad by voting for the person running against him.
This is blaming me for slave labor practices in a foreign nation because I'm not out protesting their practices. It's just a little silly. I'm not on the hook for what millions of people decide as their president. I'm on the hook for who I endorse.

This is true, and I feel the same way about voting for her, but she's better than Trump on both economic and social issues. Significantly better. Look at it this way, Hillary can be a capable, center-left steward for the country until we can get someone more ethical and progressive in 2024. The country will be much more to the left then, and with a friendly court, there's no telling how much we can accomplish.

That's a win for me.
She is undoubtedly better on economic and social issues. That's why I am at a "disinclined" voting position rather than a "no way in the world" voting position. I am also sympathetic to the importance of SCOTUS, and the danger of Donald Trump having control over an appointment.

I think the deciding factor, for me, will be how Hillary Clinton handles Donald Trump in a debate, what they bring up, etc. It's probably the only thing that can sway me right now.

Thanks for trying to have a conversation about it.
 
Are you aware of the Green Party's anti-science stances?

They're nutjobs.

I definitely don't agree with all of the Green Party's positions (nor did I do with Bernie for that matter) but I probably fall more in line with their platform than I do with Hillary.

Not to say she doesn't have time to win me over still. I'm not going to be one of those people who hold it against her that she beat the candidate I wanted.
 
There's a picture, I think the NYTimes might have ran it with one of their articles the other day? It's from the floor and you can only see the bottom of Hillary's pants and shoes, and behind her a group of little girls walking her speak.

If anyone could find that picture, I'd be eternally grateful.
 
I definitely don't agree with all of the Green Party's positions (nor did I do with Bernie for that matter) but I probably fall more in line with their platform than I do with Hillary.

Not to say she doesn't have time to win me over still. I'm not going to be one of those people who hold it against her that she beat the candidate I wanted.

Enjoy wasting the amount of time you vote in the booth then.

US politics is a plurality, you vote the progressive D on the ballot to shift congress and the senate or you might as well vote for the big R because voting Green or Libertarian is effectively the same thing.
 
I wish Bernie had won. But his campaign has pretty much just winged it. Hillary had 8 years to plan this out. If Bernie had been more organized, and had a plan that didn't include "screw the South", I really think he would have won. But he didn't and he lost.



Hillary is hardly the ideal candidate. She's a liar. Her administration will have zero transparency.

But she's better than Trump, and SCOTUS is too important. In my mind I'm voting for the Supreme Court and she's the unfortunate baggage that comes with that.



She's something like 3m+ votes ahead of Bernie.

Competing in the South would have required Sanders to modulate his message. He never really displayed an ability or even a willingness to do so.
 
I definitely don't agree with all of the Green Party's positions (nor did I do with Bernie for that matter) but I probably fall more in line with their platform than I do with Hillary.

their platform is literally nothing but "we'll do what the democrats are doing, except twice as much of it and ten times faster because political constraints will magically stop affecting us" when it isn't said anti-science positions
 
I definitely don't agree with all of the Green Party's positions (nor did I do with Bernie for that matter) but I probably fall more in line with their platform than I do with Hillary.

Not to say she doesn't have time to win me over still. I'm not going to be one of those people who hold it against her that she beat the candidate I wanted.

What could she do to win you over? What is it about the Green Party that appeals to you?

(genuinely curious, because I see this a lot)
 
YESSSSSSSSSSSS

Seethe Bernie. SEETHE!

I like how they didnt even wait until tomorrow. Ruin his sleep starting tonight
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I still don't quite understand what's so dire about a Hillary Presidency. If anyone wishes to give me the bullet-point list, feel free, I might learn a thing or two.

On-topic though: Tear Trump a new one!
 
I definitely don't agree with all of the Green Party's positions (nor did I do with Bernie for that matter) but I probably fall more in line with their platform than I do with Hillary.
Like what? I'm genuinely asking. Hillary's platform is already extremely close to Bernie's so if you supported him then Hillary shouldn't be too far off.
 
Either put your money where your mouth is on progressivism in this country or stop bitching when the country continues to slide downwards.

That's really all I have left to say.
 
“Our job from now until the convention is to convince those superdelegates that Bernie is by far the strongest candidate against Donald Trump.”

What. Your job is to win the majority of votes and not go against the will of the people. What the fuck?

wait, so now popular vote does not matter and it is all about the delegates? Didnt Bernie camp complain about delegates being more important than popular vote previously?

This is getting pretty sad.
 
I should say I don't like the press calling it before Clinton has won the majority of the pledged delegates, because that's the point at which its insane to think the super delegates will flip.

I mean, that's definitely going to happen tomorrow. But it still hasn't happened yet.
 
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