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[DragonSworne]

clearly we need another recount, someone needs to contact Jill ASAP

Let me recount the votes. Only way I will be satisified.

 

[Hydrus]

I don't trust their recount. If they rigged the initial vote counting why wouldn't do the same for the recount?

Did they have independent federal officials doing the recount?

She should ask for more donations, so they can do another recount. You know, just to be safe.

 

[dramatis]

Glad to read this.
Hopefully people have more confidence in the system now.

Oh hey, you're back. Enjoying the Goldman Sachs and billionaires future administration? I imagine you're full of confidence in this establishment cabinet of Trump's.

 

[RMI]

Glad to read this.
Hopefully people have more confidence in the system now.

I'll have confidence in the system when the electoral college functions as intended and prevents a demagogue from taking office.

It's going to be a long 4 years. Maybe 8 even.

 

[exmachina64]

I'll have confidence in the system when the electoral college functions as intended and prevents a demagogue from taking office.

It's going to be a long 4 years. Maybe 8 even.

Just wait till you see what comes after.

 

[borghe]

remember folks (I am a WI resident)..

this recount was a sham to start with in WI. The contention was that there were irregularities in trending in districts with electronic voting, HOWEVER the judge denied a hand recount, meaning the electronic voting that may or may have not been rigged was just required to spit out the same number it did on Nov 8.

Not saying that Stein's effort here was 100% above the table. HOWEVER, there were really fucked up statistical anomalies in our voting here in districts with electronic voting, and basically the request to validate and verify those machines (hand count and audit) was denied.

so we will basically never know.

Glad to read this.
Hopefully people have more confidence in the system now.

the "system" was never audited. That was denied. The districts that provided highly odd results just spit out literally the same electronic results because of that court judgment. "More confidence" would have required a hand recount, AND audit of the electronic voting machines. If anything, we have even LESS confidence now. Because as long as electronic voting machines can be rigged in such a way as to put over the candidate above the margin of error, a judge can deny that those machines even be looked at because the margin is too great.

this whole thing is fucked up.

 

[FZZ]

remember folks (I am a WI resident)..

this recount was a sham to start with in WI. The contention was that there were irregularities in trending in districts with computer voting, HOWEVER the judge denied a hand recount, meaning the electronic voting that may or may have not been rigged was just required to spit out the same number it did on Nov 8.

Not saying that Stein's effort here was 100% above the table. HOWEVER, there were really fucked up statistical anomalies in our voting here in districts with electronic voting, and basically the request to validate and verify those machines (hand count and audit) was denied.

so we will basically never know.

Okay so basically nothing was solved and we have coy ass motherfuckers in this thread acting like they know everything

fuck everything lmao

 

[SecretMoblin]

I think it's important to have affirmed the vote conclusively to eliminate any doubt. That's worth it on it's own.

Have you been reading this thread? heh

 

[Mr. X]

Glad to read this.
Hopefully people have more confidence in the system now.

People like Trump who was saying fraud is everywhere?

 

[DragonSworne]

remember folks (I am a WI resident)..

this recount was a sham to start with in WI. The contention was that there were irregularities in trending in districts with electronic voting, HOWEVER the judge denied a hand recount, meaning the electronic voting that may or may have not been rigged was just required to spit out the same number it did on Nov 8.

Not saying that Stein's effort here was 100% above the table. HOWEVER, there were really fucked up statistical anomalies in our voting here in districts with electronic voting, and basically the request to validate and verify those machines (hand count and audit) was denied.

so we will basically never know.



the "system" was never audited. That was denied. The districts that provided highly odd results just spit out literally the same electronic results because of that court judgment.

Oh looky here, I was right. The same rigged systems weren't audited.

 

[PatThePassive]

Let me recount the votes. Only way I will be satisified.

Good thing you could count all her votes on your hands.

 

[perfectchaos007]

As a libertarian who was once ridiculed and mocked here for occasionally bringing up a conspiracy theory, it has been rather gratifying to see the Hillary supporters here going all in on these conspiracy's whether its Russia rigging the election or believing the votes weren't counted correctly.

 

[RMI]

Just wait till you see what comes after.

at least we won't be bored.

 

[borghe]

Okay so basically nothing was solved and we have coy ass motherfuckers in this thread acting like they know everything

fuck everything lmao

correct. because the margin in WI was so relatively large, the State Judge denied the motion for hand recount, a motion that WOULD HAVE required the electronic voting machines been audited and verified. Because of the denial, all electronic vote recording from the 8th was just spit back out. Nothing was actually proven either way here. They figuratively just hit play on the VCR recording of the 8th.

As a libertarian who was once ridiculed and mocked here for occasionally bringing up a conspiracy theory, it has been rather gratifying to see the Hillary supporters here going all in on these conspiracy's whether its Russia rigging the election or believing the votes weren't counted correctly.

I don't "believe" anything. I just know that a) all of the voting districts in three key battleground states that use electronic voting (which is illegal in most other states) all went to Trump when prior to Nov 8 they all trended toward Clinton, and b) requests for recounts and specifically audits of said results (and thus the machines used) were all denied.

So basically Trump/Russia could have rigged, or Clinton could have just lost/failed miserably. We will never know.

 

[Isaac Otherworld]

Have you been reading this thread? heh

People are having a laugh because the Green Party is a joke. Recounts happen all the time. They aren't big deals and it's good to do them in close races.

remember folks (I am a WI resident)..

this recount was a sham to start with in WI. The contention was that there were irregularities in trending in districts with electronic voting, HOWEVER the judge denied a hand recount, meaning the electronic voting that may or may have not been rigged was just required to spit out the same number it did on Nov 8.

Not saying that Stein's effort here was 100% above the table. HOWEVER, there were really fucked up statistical anomalies in our voting here in districts with electronic voting, and basically the request to validate and verify those machines (hand count and audit) was denied.

so we will basically never know.



the "system" was never audited. That was denied. The districts that provided highly odd results just spit out literally the same electronic results because of that court judgment. "More confidence" would have required a hand recount, AND audit of the electronic voting machines. If anything, we have even LESS confidence now. Because as long as electronic voting machines can be rigged in such a way as to put over the candidate above the margin of error, a judge can deny that those machines even be looked at because the margin is too great.

this whole thing is fucked up.

That's disappointing.

 

[The Chosen One]

I said in the original thread that the recount would likely increase Trump's vote count and it urns out it did. :lol

But yeah, it makes me wonder why Trump's team has been so obsessed with stopping the recounts. You'd think they would want this to silence critics.

Same thing with the Russian hacking, Trump is taking a very defensive posture. It makes me think that they don't really know if anything will be uncovered or not, and they're deathly afraid of anything coming out that might delegitimize his election victory even by just perception.

 

[Extra Sauce]

Silver lining; this might give a boost to the public's trust in the voting system, which is a vital part of democracy.

The electoral college probably needs to go though.

 

[RMI]

I said in the original thread that the recount would likely increase Trump's vote count and it urns out it did. :lol

But yeah, it makes me wonder why Trump's team has been so obsessed with stopping the recounts. You'd think they would want this to silence critics.

Same thing with the Russian hacking, Trump is taking a very defensive posture. It makes me think that they don't really know if anything will be uncovered or not, and they're deathly afraid of anything coming out that might delegitimize his election victory even by just perception.

they probably still can't believe they won and are just waiting for the other shoe to drop. I'd be shitting bricks if I were them too.

 

[borghe]

I said in the original thread that the recount would likely increase Trump's vote count and it urns out it did. :lol

But yeah, it makes me wonder why Trump's team has been so obsessed with stopping the recounts. You'd think they would want this to silence critics.

Same thing with the Russian hacking, Trump is taking a very defensive posture. It makes me think that they don't really know if anything will be uncovered or not, and they're deathly afraid of anything coming out that might delegitimize his election victory even by just perception.

Trump wants exactly what he got. Recounts that were not allowed to be hand recounts with electronic voting audits.

Silver lining; this might give a boost to the public's trust in the voting system, which is a vital part of democracy.

The electoral college probably needs to go though.

to the uninformed joe public, sadly this will probably make them feel good and cozy.

for me and many many many others of us, this is fucking terrifying. I'll restate... basically this means (potentially) if the electronic voting machines can be tampered with in key battleground states, and provide a win that is not stupid landslide but also beyond the margin of error, it can prevent a hand recount and machine audit. It sets precedent for basically tampering with the machines (that, again, are illegal in almost all other states)

 

[Sephzilla]

Silver lining; this might give a boost to the public's trust in the voting system, which is a vital part of democracy.

The electoral college probably needs to go though.

The electoral college needs to go or at least be reworked. The all-or-nothing system is flawed.

 

[perfectchaos007]

The electoral college needs to go or at least be reworked. The all-or-nothing system is flawed.

More states should do what Maine and Nebraska do and have gerrymandered districts. If those 2 states are allowed to have split electorals then all states should. Let everyone in their region of their state have their voices heard.

 

[DrROBschiz]

election fraud just isnt a thing you can organize to scale

too many moving parts

 

[Enosh]

remember folks (I am a WI resident)..

this recount was a sham to start with in WI. The contention was that there were irregularities in trending in districts with electronic voting, HOWEVER the judge denied a hand recount, meaning the electronic voting that may or may have not been rigged was just required to spit out the same number it did on Nov 8.

Not saying that Stein's effort here was 100% above the table. HOWEVER, there were really fucked up statistical anomalies in our voting here in districts with electronic voting, and basically the request to validate and verify those machines (hand count and audit) was denied.

so we will basically never know.

the judge denied a mandatory hand recount but the final decision was still left to each county

http://elections.wi.gov/node/4481

 

[Socreges]

remember folks (I am a WI resident)..

this recount was a sham to start with in WI. The contention was that there were irregularities in trending in districts with electronic voting, HOWEVER the judge denied a hand recount, meaning the electronic voting that may or may have not been rigged was just required to spit out the same number it did on Nov 8.

Not saying that Stein's effort here was 100% above the table. HOWEVER, there were really fucked up statistical anomalies in our voting here in districts with electronic voting, and basically the request to validate and verify those machines (hand count and audit) was denied.

so we will basically never know.



the "system" was never audited. That was denied. The districts that provided highly odd results just spit out literally the same electronic results because of that court judgment. "More confidence" would have required a hand recount, AND audit of the electronic voting machines. If anything, we have even LESS confidence now. Because as long as electronic voting machines can be rigged in such a way as to put over the candidate above the margin of error, a judge can deny that those machines even be looked at because the margin is too great.

this whole thing is fucked up.

This should go in the OP

 

[borghe]

the judge denied a mandatory hand recount but the final decision was still left to each county

http://elections.wi.gov/node/4481

oops. thank you for the correction.

 

[Suikoguy]

election fraud just isnt a thing you can organize to scale

too many moving parts

Election Fraud with paper is virtually impossible.
Shitty electronic voting machines, not nearly as impossible.

 

[The Chosen One]

the "system" was never audited. That was denied. The districts that provided highly odd results just spit out literally the same electronic results because of that court judgment. "More confidence" would have required a hand recount, AND audit of the electronic voting machines. If anything, we have even LESS confidence now. Because as long as electronic voting machines can be rigged in such a way as to put over the candidate above the margin of error, a judge can deny that those machines even be looked at because the margin is too great.

this whole thing is fucked up.

As I mentioned in the original topic, I also said unless there was an audit of the voting machines, then this recount would be a pointless exercise. Too bad we'll never get an audit. It would be nice just as a common practice to randomly audit machine votes just to ensure they functioned correctly and there was no tampering.

 

[Morts]

remember folks (I am a WI resident)..

this recount was a sham to start with in WI. The contention was that there were irregularities in trending in districts with electronic voting, HOWEVER the judge denied a hand recount, meaning the electronic voting that may or may have not been rigged was just required to spit out the same number it did on Nov 8.

Not saying that Stein's effort here was 100% above the table. HOWEVER, there were really fucked up statistical anomalies in our voting here in districts with electronic voting, and basically the request to validate and verify those machines (hand count and audit) was denied.

so we will basically never know.



the "system" was never audited. That was denied. The districts that provided highly odd results just spit out literally the same electronic results because of that court judgment. "More confidence" would have required a hand recount, AND audit of the electronic voting machines. If anything, we have even LESS confidence now. Because as long as electronic voting machines can be rigged in such a way as to put over the candidate above the margin of error, a judge can deny that those machines even be looked at because the margin is too great.

this whole thing is fucked up.

If they just had the machines spit out the number again how did he pick up 162 votes?

 

[antonz]

The "Irregularities" were literally the fact that Pre Election Polling did not match results. Recount was fine as its certainly within a candidates right to request it but the grounds for it was the flimsiest reason possible.

 

[digdug2k]

More states should do what Maine and Nebraska do and have gerrymandered districts. If those 2 states are allowed to have split electorals then all states should. Let everyone in their region of their state have their voices heard.

I love how my Midwest friends all say the EC is great because it lets their votes be heard while ignoring that 50% of their OWN State voted against them and wasn't heard at all.

 

[The Technomancer]

If they just had the machines spit out the number again how did he pick up 162 votes?

With numbers on this scale 162 is essentially noise, that could literally be people mistranscribing numbers they report

 

[Stumpokapow]

I don't "believe" anything. I just know that a) all of the voting districts in three key battleground states that use electronic voting (which is illegal in most other states) all went to Trump when prior to Nov 8 they all trended toward Clinton,

What do polling experts and electoral fraud experts think of the evidentiary basis for this claim? If not fraud, what is a competing explanation for why this would have happened? Which story seems more plausible on its face?

 

[reckless]

It's amazing how many people Stein conned.

 

[Audioboxer]

Welp. All that money spent just so that Trump came out with a wider (albeit small) margin. Marvelous.

Yeah what a waste of money AND Trump comes out with more votes. LOL Jill Stein everybody.

 

[Nibiru]

I think if Stein had chosen a state Hillary had won also instead of just places Trump won she could have maintained some credibility.

The thing is that in order to fully exploit the disgruntled Dems and get the most donations it had to appear that she was trying to flip the elections so she had to pick only states Trump won and that really makes her look bad imo. I mean lets face it had she included a state Hillary won she probably wouldn't have gotten a 1/10th of the donations.

The idea of wanting recounts itself was totally fine it was just how she went about it was dodgy and felt like a strategic play to propel the Green Party. The best case scenario for her was that she got stopped by courts and could say she tried but they held her back or she raised a ton of cash but just shy of being able to actually do anything.

The good thing is that she hit all the goals, there was a recount, no fraud or hacks it all just backfired and I think has irreparably hurt the Green Party.

 

[jfkgoblue]

correct. because the margin in WI was so relatively large, the State Judge denied the motion for hand recount, a motion that WOULD HAVE required the electronic voting machines been audited and verified. Because of the denial, all electronic vote recording from the 8th was just spit back out. Nothing was actually proven either way here. They figuratively just hit play on the VCR recording of the 8th.



I don't "believe" anything. I just know that a) all of the voting districts in three key battleground states that use electronic voting (which is illegal in most other states) all went to Trump when prior to Nov 8 they all trended toward Clinton, and b) requests for recounts and specifically audits of said results (and thus the machines used) were all denied.

So basically Trump/Russia could have rigged, or Clinton could have just lost/failed miserably. We will never know.

Michigan doesn't use electronic voting machines

 

[Apollo]

No shit, it's really fucking hard to rig a election.

I bet if you checked Cali you'll see a lot of problems.

 

[Cybit]

Now at least Jill has an updated donor list. You all knew that's what this was really about, right?

Yep.

Thanks a lot Wisconsin...

Joke's on you...they're both Canadian.

I think that made the joke 10x better.

What do polling experts and electoral fraud experts think of the evidentiary basis for this claim? If not fraud, what is a competing explanation for why this would have happened? Which story seems more plausible on its face?

There is no basis in evidence for their being fraud besides our hopes and dreams. Actual mathematical analysis already proved that: http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/demographics-not-hacking-explain-the-election-results/ and the fact that people haven't realized this is because most folks don't get the idea of spurious correlations

See http://www.tylervigen.com/spurious-correlations

That said, there's going to be a glorious cottage industry of "experts" who are going to make bank by abusing "math" to prove there was fraud to a large group of people who desperately want to believe.

 

[Jarmel]

Trump stays winning

 

[Brawly Likes to Brawl]

It's amazing how many people Stein conned.

Fear is a very powerful motivator for opening up wallets.

 

[Netherscourge]

Joke's on you...they're both Canadian.

I would trust a Canadian to be a better United States President than Donald Trump.

I'd even take Chris Jericho.

 

[Dirca]

Really gotta laugh at those that are upset over the outcome. Seriously, what did you expect? If Michigan is allowed to continue, (spoiler alert) it too will be nothing.

 

[Dirca]

As a libertarian who was once ridiculed and mocked here for occasionally bringing up a conspiracy theory, it has been rather gratifying to see the Hillary supporters here going all in on these conspiracy's whether its Russia rigging the election or believing the votes weren't counted correctly.

I'm right here with you brother

 

[gamechanger87]

remember folks (I am a WI resident)..

this recount was a sham to start with in WI. The contention was that there were irregularities in trending in districts with electronic voting, HOWEVER the judge denied a hand recount, meaning the electronic voting that may or may have not been rigged was just required to spit out the same number it did on Nov 8.

Not saying that Stein's effort here was 100% above the table. HOWEVER, there were really fucked up statistical anomalies in our voting here in districts with electronic voting, and basically the request to validate and verify those machines (hand count and audit) was denied.

so we will basically never know.



the "system" was never audited. That was denied. The districts that provided highly odd results just spit out literally the same electronic results because of that court judgment. "More confidence" would have required a hand recount, AND audit of the electronic voting machines. If anything, we have even LESS confidence now. Because as long as electronic voting machines can be rigged in such a way as to put over the candidate above the margin of error, a judge can deny that those machines even be looked at because the margin is too great.

this whole thing is fucked up.

What statistical anomalies are you referencing? The completely discredited NY Mag report which said Trump overachieved in rural counties which happened to be electronic voting machines? Just like he overachieved in rural counties around the US.

That statistical anomaly that was immediately discredited?

 

[gamechanger87]

What do polling experts and electoral fraud experts think of the evidentiary basis for this claim? If not fraud, what is a competing explanation for why this would have happened? Which story seems more plausible on its face?

The story is either that Trump overperfomed in rural counties (just like he did around the US) or the Russians hacked the machines.

The whole recount was based on nothing. They guys who originally brought it up came out and stated that they never did a statistical breakdown like 538 and others did. Nor did they have any proof beyond Trump outperformed in regions they expected him to do bad in.

 

[TheOMan]

remember folks (I am a WI resident)..

this recount was a sham to start with in WI. The contention was that there were irregularities in trending in districts with electronic voting, HOWEVER the judge denied a hand recount, meaning the electronic voting that may or may have not been rigged was just required to spit out the same number it did on Nov 8.

Not saying that Stein's effort here was 100% above the table. HOWEVER, there were really fucked up statistical anomalies in our voting here in districts with electronic voting, and basically the request to validate and verify those machines (hand count and audit) was denied.

so we will basically never know.



the "system" was never audited. That was denied. The districts that provided highly odd results just spit out literally the same electronic results because of that court judgment. "More confidence" would have required a hand recount, AND audit of the electronic voting machines. If anything, we have even LESS confidence now. Because as long as electronic voting machines can be rigged in such a way as to put over the candidate above the margin of error, a judge can deny that those machines even be looked at because the margin is too great.

this whole thing is fucked up.

Well....this is pretty terrible. :/

 

[You Are Viewtiful]

LOOK AT THIS. WOW! it's fucking nothing.

 

[Air Zombie Meat]

Hard to not get annoyed at such an impractical use of money.

 

[Dynasty]

The recount was rigged?

 

[msdstc]

remember folks (I am a WI resident)..

this recount was a sham to start with in WI. The contention was that there were irregularities in trending in districts with electronic voting, HOWEVER the judge denied a hand recount, meaning the electronic voting that may or may have not been rigged was just required to spit out the same number it did on Nov 8.

Not saying that Stein's effort here was 100% above the table. HOWEVER, there were really fucked up statistical anomalies in our voting here in districts with electronic voting, and basically the request to validate and verify those machines (hand count and audit) was denied.

so we will basically never know.



the "system" was never audited. That was denied. The districts that provided highly odd results just spit out literally the same electronic results because of that court judgment. "More confidence" would have required a hand recount, AND audit of the electronic voting machines. If anything, we have even LESS confidence now. Because as long as electronic voting machines can be rigged in such a way as to put over the candidate above the margin of error, a judge can deny that those machines even be looked at because the margin is too great.

this whole thing is fucked up.

Where is your proof? You're likely citing the fake news article that has been thoroughly debunked. The anamolies lineup with demographics as Nate silver and just about every other major pundits has already pointed out.

The cobfirmation bias and hypocrisy surrounding this whole thing is nauseating.

Edit- unless of course Nate silver is in Trump's camp? Right? We're essentially spewing baseless speculation as facts here so why not.