Apples Fall iPhone Event To Be Held Sept. 9
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badcrumble
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Sure, but I kinda think the Apple Watch is reasonably likely to get moved to the fall, just like the iPad eventually did (remember the half-year gap between iPad 3 and iPad 4?). Paralleling major iOS versions and major iDevice versions has obvious advantages; surely the same is the case for the Apple Watch and WatchOS.
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i don't think they'd outdated the 1st gen that quick. Moving the update is tricky, but even worse if you do it within just a couple of quarters of introduction.
From everything I've read this 6S is not the device for me.
*Pre-emptive 'scust at the resolution*
*Pre-emptive 'scust at siloed NFC*
*Pre-emptive 'scust at in-cell technology*
Screw paying $500+ for 750p resolution. No excuse for this in 2015, IMHO.
Next year when Apple switches back to their older tech, allegedly, is the year I'll buy an iphone. By then the resolution should be better as we head towards a near bezeless future. Bezel wars started in 2014 so I expect Apple to come through in 2016 with some poignant discourse about this subject.
*Pre-emptive 'scust at the resolution*
*Pre-emptive 'scust at siloed NFC*
*Pre-emptive 'scust at in-cell technology*
Screw paying $500+ for 750p resolution. No excuse for this in 2015, IMHO.
Next year when Apple switches back to their older tech, allegedly, is the year I'll buy an iphone. By then the resolution should be better as we head towards a near bezeless future. Bezel wars started in 2014 so I expect Apple to come through in 2016 with some poignant discourse about this subject.
We probably would've seen some leaks of that by now.
especially since there's still PLENTY of markets where the AppleWatch isn't even being sold yet.
I'm not sure they want to stuff ALL of their products into the fall quarter, regardless of how attractive those christmas shoppers are. If they release their iPods, their iPads, their AppleWatches AND something else (MacBook refresh, AppleTV) at the same time, some of those potential sales are going to be cannibalized, simply due to customers' budget constraints.
which is why i think we'll be getting a 5C refresh with 5S internals, simply called 5C. Maybe sporting NFC for ApplePay.
the resolution on the 6 is decent, but shockingly bad as soon as you put it into Google Cardboard. I'd welcome 1080p on the 4,7" device.
i have yet to be shown a use case where bezel-less-ness (you mean like the Galaxy Edge models?) has any non-gimmicky usecase that would warrant the loss of structural integrity.
i wouldn't mind them shrinking the bottom and top bezel by, like, 2mm. but other than that, i don't really mind.
The Real Abed
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You're probably right. We'll probably get another year with the 5C before it gets replaced with a 6C.
"5C" with upgraded (5S SoC + Camera) internals! calling it!
too boring an update to be worth a leak.
New model numbers are showing up in the El Capitan betas for both 4k 21" and 5k 27" models. It's coming, just maybe not at this event.
Battery life. I seriously hate all the stupid resolution marketing wars going on in the Android space, tired as shit of all these Android phones with like 3 hours of screen on time. Maybe if you're using VR every day with your phone ok, I can see resolution being that important. Stay over 320 ppi and give me all the fucking battery life possible.
This is why I'm getting a 6S+, 1080p at 5.5 inches is perfect for me and 6+ battery life is regarded extremely well. The only Android phone even in that area is the OnePlus Two and there are too many question marks with the device and availability to really even care about it. Moto Play isn't even available in the US, and is rocking an older CPU anyways.
Waiting for those too...
"5C" with upgraded (5S SoC + Camera) internals! calling it!
too boring an update to be worth a leak.
But... but... I want a top tier phone the size of a 5, or even better: 4. Goddamnit.
Haven't they been anticipating the new Apple TV for about the last 3-4 events?
Not sure about force touch on iPhone. I don't see what the problem is with a long press, and I'd be wary of force pressing in the middle of an iPhone 6+ screen.
Normally I try and sell my current iPad just before the official announcement (so towards the end of August), but I thnk my air 2 will be just fine for another year - can't see anything big coming - if anything the iPhones and lower end iPads will be catching up items of ram for multitasking.
Not sure about force touch on iPhone. I don't see what the problem is with a long press, and I'd be wary of force pressing in the middle of an iPhone 6+ screen.
Normally I try and sell my current iPad just before the official announcement (so towards the end of August), but I thnk my air 2 will be just fine for another year - can't see anything big coming - if anything the iPhones and lower end iPads will be catching up items of ram for multitasking.
Can they get away with that and keeping iOS? Won't some people be wanting more of a full OS like OSX? Or will apple's slightly broadening of support for multitasking and file management be enough?
Surface pro seems the obvious competitor in the space and as a laptop it'd be hard to beat, but as a touch/stylus focus device I think it falls down on lasck of software support - both in the OS and lack of apps. Clearly that is something Apple would nail, but I think I'd want it to also work as a laptop replacement if I'm carrying something that large around with me.
badcrumble
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Yeah, though I'm holding off until Skylake for purchase. DDR4 is around the corner for the iMac and it'll make a big performance difference.
Chittagong
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I have an iPhone 6 Plus and love it. I really don't need Force Touch, 2GB RAM or a marginally better camera. Must... stay... strong...
Chittagong
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You didn't know there is a new iPhone every year in August / September?
it's pretty easy since the events are around the same time each year but still a reliable source.
I'm thinking of going from a 6 to a plus next round. I think 2 gb of ram would be really nice to help with the amount of refreshing safari has to do now. Shit is so expensive unsubsidized though. The 64 gb model is going to be 850. I'm just glad I have my 6 to sell off to offset a good amount of that cost. I wish they would just make 32gb the base price. I'd be fine with that.
badcrumble
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I strongly doubt that Apple would make 2GB RAM exclusive to the Plus model.
The Real Abed
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Probably October.
Chittagong
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It's a really dick move that Apple doesn't do 32GB models. Everyone knows 16GB is useless. So that lower price point is just for show or the uninformed. 64GB is excessive.
Yeah 16 is a real joke. I wish they'd scrub that out. No one wants it.
I did, I just chose to go ahead and get the 6 because it was either that or no phone until the 6S came out. I basically have nothing to complain about.
Chittagong
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The most exciting thing to me in this keynote is that I think it's going to be the first one with slides set in San Francisco. The roll-out has been very gradual:
- Autumn 2014 - San Francisco font revealed in Apple Brand Film opening the keynote
- Autumn 2014 - San Francisco font revealed on Apple Watch UI
- April 2015 - San Francisco font in use in Apple Watch marketing and packaging
- May 2015 - San Francisco font in use on new MacBook keyboard
- June 2015 - San Francisco font revealed as the system font in iOS9 and El Capitan
- June 2015 - San Francisco font used for Apple Music branding
The last remaining uses of Myriad are hardware packaging, Apple.com and keynote slides. I think they will transition over in September.
- Autumn 2014 - San Francisco font revealed in Apple Brand Film opening the keynote
- Autumn 2014 - San Francisco font revealed on Apple Watch UI
- April 2015 - San Francisco font in use in Apple Watch marketing and packaging
- May 2015 - San Francisco font in use on new MacBook keyboard
- June 2015 - San Francisco font revealed as the system font in iOS9 and El Capitan
- June 2015 - San Francisco font used for Apple Music branding
The last remaining uses of Myriad are hardware packaging, Apple.com and keynote slides. I think they will transition over in September.
Chittagong
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I just meant the 6s models. I figure both the plus and 6s would have the 2gb. I just kind of want the larger screen.
mingoguaya
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I currently have a 128GB 6 Plus but I would like to get me a 64GB 6S Plus. Will I be able to swap it ( by selling it, etc) with minimum effort and without losing a lot of money in the process?
SmackCrackleNPop
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If it's unlocked the value is higher. Unfortunately, having 128GB won't get you much more than a 64GB device. I use Craigslist
Ingueferroque
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What am I reading? The resolution is NOT the issue with the current gen of iPhones.
badcrumble
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I give Apple a lot of credit for making the same amount of storage go farther with photos in the cloud, app thinning, reduction of iOS update size, et centers, but yeah. The same goes for their efforts to improve battery performance. All good things to do, but at the end of the day I want more basic capacity.
16gb works just fine for my sales team. Definitely a market for it, even if you don't fit in it.
I really hope that their implementation of Force Touch is more like MacBook's trackpad and less like Apple Watch.
My experience with both:
• Apple Watch: press really hard on the watch and maybe (or not) it acts as one big dumb button without a bunch of tactile feedback to basically act as a right-click/context menu for apps
• MacBook: click Fast Forward on QuickTime and the harder I click the faster it goes. Scrub a video in iMovie to the end and feel like my fingers are hitting a wall. Clicking feels just like clicking until you power off the device and you realize you're mashing glass
How I want the 6S to feel is for standard UI Controls like buttons to give back some haptic feedback when they're pressed. The magicness of the trackpad has convinced me that Apple will be able to make the glass feel like it has totally different physical properties b/c magnets & force fields. This could be absolutely revolutionary for gaming, accessibility, etc.
I need to adjust my expectations, though, because I'm sure the 6S only has the input side of things and not the awesome magnetic feedback.
My experience with both:
• Apple Watch: press really hard on the watch and maybe (or not) it acts as one big dumb button without a bunch of tactile feedback to basically act as a right-click/context menu for apps
• MacBook: click Fast Forward on QuickTime and the harder I click the faster it goes. Scrub a video in iMovie to the end and feel like my fingers are hitting a wall. Clicking feels just like clicking until you power off the device and you realize you're mashing glass
How I want the 6S to feel is for standard UI Controls like buttons to give back some haptic feedback when they're pressed. The magicness of the trackpad has convinced me that Apple will be able to make the glass feel like it has totally different physical properties b/c magnets & force fields. This could be absolutely revolutionary for gaming, accessibility, etc.
I need to adjust my expectations, though, because I'm sure the 6S only has the input side of things and not the awesome magnetic feedback.
badcrumble
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It'll happen eventually, but I think Apple bought themselves a little bit more time, or at least they probably think so.
The nice thing about all of those efforts on Apple's part is that it also makes the bigger storage tiers (and Plus models with better battery life) go that much farther, which is pretty great. I still want all-day heavy-use battery life on a regular-sized phone, though - the 6+ is there but the 6 isn't.
Yeah, I'd be very surprised if the new force touch offers any sort of Taptic feedback. I can see it being just the extra hard press commands without any physical feedback
If apple can squeeze in an that linear actuator so it's felt across the entire face of the phone, I'd be damn impressed.
If apple can squeeze in an that linear actuator so it's felt across the entire face of the phone, I'd be damn impressed.
mmazurkiewicz
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does verizon still do early upgrades or do i have to wait till my 24 months are up before i can get a new phone?
Saucycarpdog
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Using taptic feedback from the mac would be a battery hog so I don't see them using it in the iphones just yet. The new phones will feature the "vibration" taptic engine from the apple watch though and that may end up being useful to some racing games.I really hope that their implementation of Force Touch is more like MacBook's trackpad and less like Apple Watch.
My experience with both:
Apple Watch: press really hard on the watch and maybe (or not) it acts as one big dumb button without a bunch of tactile feedback to basically act as a right-click/context menu for apps
MacBook: click Fast Forward on QuickTime and the harder I click the faster it goes. Scrub a video in iMovie to the end and feel like my fingers are hitting a wall. Clicking feels just like clicking until you power off the device and you realize you're mashing glass
How I want the 6S to feel is for standard UI Controls like buttons to give back some haptic feedback when they're pressed. The magicness of the trackpad has convinced me that Apple will be able to make the glass feel like it has totally different physical properties b/c magnets & force fields. This could be absolutely revolutionary for gaming, accessibility, etc.
I need to adjust my expectations, though, because I'm sure the 6S only has the input side of things and not the awesome magnetic feedback.
I think they will; not by much, but they will, simply because the ever-growing total installed base with every generation means the upgrade part of the equation becomes bigger every year by default. For iPhone sales to drop, they'd need significantly lower switcher rates, but it's been less than two years since the iPhone 6 and therefore less than a full contract upgrade cycle. The switch rate should remain constant for another year before falling off next year, meaning slightly higher sales this year than last.
Man that sounds like an Apple PR excuse.
"Your phone's OS is so good, that giving you more RAM would just be an insult!"
I can understand the diminishing returns on screen resolution and the toll it takes on battery life, but there really isn't a good defense for a small amount of RAM considering the premium you pay for these phones.
The phones work well with 1GB, would it work better with 2? Surely but its not like its a disaster now for people. However its not just as simple as adding more RAM, Apple probably couldn't source enough for the 6 to make it 2GB.
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