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[foodtaster]

Didn't Steve said 7" tablets were idiotic and would never happen?

Yes, but the 7" form factor honestly is just better. 10" is too big if you're going to carry a laptop and a tablet. You might ask, why would you carry both? But honestly, I usually do. (With my Nook Color anyway.) The minute the iPad is 7" and less than a 1lb, I'll pick one up.

 

[KtSlime]

They were, and people were satiated with a bumper, a new strength indicator and directions on how to properly hold a phone.

The new strength indicator should have been there from the beginning, it was a flub that Apple didn't catch with the software prior to the iPhone 4's launch, besides they are just pixels that represent a signal without much bearing on reality. I think they should have turned it to signal yes/no indicator, but whatever, people like bars.

Most people I know that got the bumper don't even use it, I know my phone goes naked. And the directions on how to hold it are pretty funny, I don't know how else a person would hold the phone unless they were trying to keep it from connecting to the cellular tower.

 

[Burger]

Let's not give half truths here. I know Jobs explained it and let's face it, he can explain it all he wants and make any excuse he wants whether some be true and some not, but that still doesn't somehow negate the fact that you can't view a significant chunk of the Internet.

I bought an iPhone 4 and you know what, I can accept the limitation there. It's a mobile device, for some reason I accept limitations and know I'm not going to get the full web experience, but a tablet is a different story because you browse and use it in different environments and in different times and settings that makes wanting that extra 10% access.

On a side note, I really wish Apple would let me view YouTube videos in Safari on an iPhone since they let me do it on an iPad.

But getting back to the half truths, Adobe wanted to release Flash. Apple flat out refused. So let's not make this out that it's all Adobe's fault. Apple won't let them. Adobe pleaded and publically said so but Apple still refused so let's point the finger at the right people. It's both their faults, but Adobe doesn't even have a chance to try because Apple refuses.

Also, let's not forget that Adobe's Flash in a handheld space is different than the desktop space. From all accounts on Android, you get to pick and choose what is displayed instead of it always being displayed. Having the option? I'd take it easily since it's not always running, and then, if there's something I want, I have a choice to view it. I like having choices. Clearly, you do not.

Apple doesn't even forbid Flash explicitly. They do not allow plugins in MobileSafari, that's it.

After all, if Flash is the main reason Safari crashes, why would you want it in MobileSafari?

We have routinely asked Adobe to show us Flash performing well on a mobile device, any mobile device, for a few years now. We have never seen it. Adobe publicly said that Flash would ship on a smartphone in early 2009, then the second half of 2009, then the first half of 2010, and now they say the second half of 2010.

It's now 2011 and the Motorolla Xoom can't even view it's own god damn website, and people still think Flash in tablets will be great. Eventually. When it comes out.

 

[bob page]

Yes, but the 7" form factor honestly is just better. 10" is too big if you're going to carry a laptop and a tablet. You might ask, why would you carry both? But honestly, I usually do. (With my Nook Color anyway.) The minute the iPad is 7" and less than a 1lb, I'll pick one up.

Well you're right, I did ask myself why would you carry both. I can see why you would carry a laptop and kindle since they have completely different purposes.

It's now 2011 and the Motorolla Xoom can't even view it's own god damn website, and people still think Flash in tablets will be great. Eventually. When it comes out.

It's seriously so stupid. I remember while waiting in line for an iPad 2, some random guy asked an Apple rep why the iPad didn't have flash when every other tablet did. The rep responded by asking him what he needed flash for, and the guy was stumped. The average consumer keeps being spoon fed about an "issue" that they'll most likely never encounter.

 

[Fusebox]

Yes, but the 7" form factor honestly is just better.

For what? Reading magazine and comics? Watching videos or playing games?

 

[krypt0nian]

I got the impression that you think the movement to html5 seems to beeen spurned because of the "swell" of iOS browsing. As if the popularity of iOS is the reason for progress on that front.

Which has zero to do with any Jobs letter. So what?

 

[foodtaster]

Well you're right, I did ask myself why would you carry both. I can see why you would carry a laptop and kindle since they have completely different purposes.

I use my Nook to read books, articles and other text docs while I use my laptop for actual work. Having a 10" iPad would take enough space to warrant me to kick one out, and unfortunately, it's not good enough to replace both. Hence the need for a 7" iPad. If they're not going to make a 7" iPad they need to make a 13" iPad that can insta-boot iOS and normally boot OSX

For what? Reading magazine and comics? Watching videos or playing games?

When reading text. I've read some magazines and comics on it and the improvement that a 10" screen would give you is very small. I'd rather play games (especially since most require an accelerometer) on a 7" screen. Movies on a 10" screen is just plain better (if the resolution is accordingly increased).

 

[bob page]

I use my Nook to read books, articles and other text docs while I use my laptop for actual work. Having a 10" iPad would take enough space to warrant me to kick one out, and unfortunately, it's not good enough to replace both. Hence the need for a 7" iPad. If they're not going to make a 7" iPad they need to make a 13" iPad that can insta-boot iOS and normally boot OSX

*facepalm*

I don't even know where to start with this one, so I'm just not going to. It just sounds like you have a false impression of what the iPad actually is and what/who it's made for.

 

[kinggroin]

It's now 2011 and the Motorolla Xoom can't even view it's own god damn website, and people still think Flash in tablets will be great. Eventually. When it comes out.

Sure it can. At least stick to battles you can win here.

 

[Fusebox]

I've read some magazines and comics on it and the improvement that a 10" screen would give you is very small. .

Very small? You're nuts. That 3" is the difference between having an entire page on the screen or having to pan and zoom around to see the whole page.

 

[foodtaster]

*facepalm*

I don't even know where to start with this one, so I'm just not going to. It just sounds like you have a false impression of what the iPad actually is and what/who it's made for.

I understand what it is perfectly. I'm just used to being productive, so I carry my laptop most of the time, since you need some kind of bag to carry an iPad (sized) device anyway, so might as well stick my Adamo in there, too.

Very small? You're nuts. That 3" is the difference between having an entire page on the screen or having to pan and zoom around to see the whole page.

Not for me. The resolution is the same anyway. Speaking of which, anywhere know where you can get free electronic magazines?

 

[bob page]

Sure it can. At least stick to battles you can win here.

False.

http://www.motorola.com/Consumers/US-EN/Home

I understand what it is perfectly. I'm just used to being productive, so I carry my laptop most of the time, since you need some kind of bag to carry an iPad (sized) device anyway, so might as well stick my Adamo in there, too.

If you have a bag big enough for an Adamo, how would you have trouble fitting an iPad? It's thinner than a phone...

 

[kehs]

Well you're right, I did ask myself why would you carry both. I can see why you would carry a laptop and kindle since they have completely different purposes.


It's seriously so stupid. I remember while waiting in line for an iPad 2, some random guy asked an Apple rep why the iPad didn't have flash when every other tablet did. The rep responded by asking him what he needed flash for, and the guy was stumped. The average consumer keeps being spoon fed about an "issue" that they'll most likely never encounter.

Uneducated consumer gets more uneducated info, and is successfully not educated.

Magical.

 

[Soybean]

I use my Nook to read books, articles and other text docs while I use my laptop for actual work. Having a 10" iPad would take enough space to warrant me to kick one out, and unfortunately, it's not good enough to replace both. Hence the need for a 7" iPad. If they're not going to make a 7" iPad they need to make a 13" iPad that can insta-boot iOS and normally boot OSX

When reading text. I've read some magazines and comics on it and the improvement that a 10" screen would give you is very small. I'd rather play games (especially since most require an accelerometer) on a 7" screen. Movies on a 10" screen is just plain better (if the resolution is accordingly increased).

Dude, if you like your nook just stick with it, or get an Android tablet. So long as Steve Jobs is alive (and probably even after, as he's indoctrinated his people well) there will never be a 7" iPad.

 

[foodtaster]

Dude, if you like your nook just stick with it, or get an Android tablet. So long as Steve Jobs is alive (and probably even after, as he's indoctrinated his people well) there will never be a 7" iPad.

I'd rather get an iPad. I will get an iPad soon as it has the retina display. Android tablets are honestly a joke. Only reason I got a Nook Color is because it takes up the same footprint as the Nook 3G it replaced.

 

[dream]

Uneducated consumer gets more uneducated info, and is successfully uneducated.

Magical.

What should the rep do? Present the customer with a list of Flash-based sites he doesn't even care about?

God, I can't believe we're still arguing about Flash in 2011.

 

[bob page]

Dude, if you like your nook just stick with it, or get an Android tablet. So long as Steve Jobs is alive (and probably even after, as he's indoctrinated his people well) there will never be a 7" iPad.

I'd listen to this guy, foodtaster. If you are hunting for a reason to justify buying an iPad, chances are you won't enjoy it.

 

[kinggroin]

False.

http://www.motorola.com/Consumers/US-EN/Home

hint: sideloading.

Anyway, the xoom has its own share of problems that are better to pick on than flash ( which works right now if you want, and officially on the 18th).

 

[kehs]

What should the rep do? Present the customer with a list of Flash-based sites he doesn't even care about?

God, I can't believe we're still arguing about Flash in 2011.

The rep acted as he was supposed to, sell apple products.

Shit like: "sites he doesn't even care about" is bordering on being idiotic.

 

[Tobor]

Never say never, Steve says a lot of things. 7" wouldn't work for me, though. 10" 4x3 is the sweet spot.

 

[dream]

The rep acted as he was supposed to, seel apple products.

Well, yeah.

But the more important thing is the customer thought about it for a second and realized "hey, maybe Flash isn't that big of a deal after all."

 

[Burger]

I use my Nook to read books, articles and other text docs while I use my laptop for actual work. Having a 10" iPad would take enough space to warrant me to kick one out, and unfortunately, it's not good enough to replace both. Hence the need for a 7" iPad. If they're not going to make a 7" iPad they need to make a 13" iPad that can insta-boot iOS and normally boot OSX.

Lol, holy shit. You should hook up with the creator of the Joojoo.

 

[KtSlime]

hint: sideloading.

Anyway, the xoom has its own share of problems that are better to pick on than flash ( which works right now if you want, and officially on the 18th).

Yeah, although if you are going to go to all the effort of side loading, why not just jailbreak an iPad? :lol

 

[Tobor]

hint: sideloading.

Anyway, the xoom has its own share of problems that are better to pick on than flash ( which works right now if you want, and officially on the 18th).

I got a chance to play with the Xoom today. Usable, but Apple has nothing to worry about.

My biggest complaint, other than the usual problems I have with Android, is the screen. 16x10 feels wrong when you hold it in portrait. The button on the back is bizarre, as well.

 

[kinggroin]

Yeah, although if you are going to go to all the effort of side loading, why not just jailbreak an iPad? :lol

Did you just compare jailbreaking an ipad to side loading?

And really, wtf happened to this thread? We got guys that would rather argue about dumbshit instead of actually.celebrating and enjoying a great product. Had some of you simply ignored chin and chin's twin, you could actually make this a productive thread again. I'm sure there are new owners who could use some app recommendations, hints and such.

If best buy gets their shipment before the 27th, Ill be back in here with questions of my own!

 

[KtSlime]

Did you just compare jailbreaking an ipad to side loading?

And really, wtf happened to this thread? We got guys that would rather argue about dumbshit instead of actually.celebrating and enjoying a great product. Had some of you simply ignored chin and chin's twin, you could actually make this a productive thread again. I'm sure there are new owners who could use some app recommendations, hints and such.

If best buy gets their shipment before the 27th, Ill be back in here with questions of my own!

I believe they take about the same level of research, desire, and intelligence for the user. Jailbreaking is pretty dead simple, and I am sure I can go up to 10 random Android users on the street and ask them about side loading and only 1 will know what the hell I am talking about.

You can run flash on a jb iOS device, and if you have to side load to get flash on the xoom, I don't see too much of a difference.

 

[entremet]

I got a chance to play with the Xoom today. Usable, but Apple has nothing to worry about.

My biggest complaint, other than the usual problems I have with Android, is the screen. 16x10 feels wrong when you hold it in portrait. The button on the back is bizarre, as well.

Was it 60 FPS? I know Apple shoots for 60 FPS on everything for iOS. I

 

[Burger]

And really, wtf happened to this thread? We got guys that would rather argue about dumbshit instead of actually.celebrating and enjoying a great product. Had some of you simply ignored chin and chin's twin, you could actually make this a productive thread again. I'm sure there are new owners who could use some app recommendations, hints and such.

If best buy gets their shipment before the 27th, Ill be back in here with questions of my own!

Eventually people stop talking to Marty and he goes away for a few days. He's cool though.

I'm still torn between updating to iPad 2 or not. Torn I tell you!

 

[DopeyFish]

Wow... Using personal hotspot on iPhone with iPad, it transmits gps data to the iPad for things like maps

Really really cool

 

[Tobor]

Was it 60 FPS? I know Apple shoots for 60 FPS on everything for iOS. I

I'm not sure. It seemed ok, maybe a touch of jank here and there. The 3G signal sucked in the office(Verizon phones work great there, not sure what the deal with that was), so I couldn't mess with the browser.

 

[neojubei]

Eventually people stop talking to Marty and he goes away for a few days. He's cool though.

I'm still torn between updating to iPad 2 or not. Torn I tell you!

update. you know you want to.


On a side note, not sure if this is old or not, but anyone google "open app market" on their iphone? found about about this on Tech news today and it is an online app store.

 

[Marty Chinn]

Apple doesn't even forbid Flash explicitly. They do not allow plugins in MobileSafari, that's it.

After all, if Flash is the main reason Safari crashes, why would you want it in MobileSafari?



It's now 2011 and the Motorolla Xoom can't even view it's own god damn website, and people still think Flash in tablets will be great. Eventually. When it comes out.

Denying mobile plugins doesn't really make the situation any better though. Plus, I remember Adobe having it actually up and running and being told that they would not be allowed. I swore they were being even denied in the app store. Do you honestly think if Adobe created their own webkit browser with Flash in it that Apple would approve it? I'd bet a million dollars that it would be denied and never allowed.

Again, reasons or not, the simple fact is, there's a decent chunk of web content that is denied from iOS devices. It's as simple as that. Some of you are willing to make excuses or even jump through a bunch of hoops to get around it, but why are you trying to pretend it doesn't exist? It exists. Acknowledge it does, and move on. It's silly to attack someone because they find it annoying that they have to jump through hoops.

The Xoom mess is a different issue all together. It's really rough and not a threat for the immediate future. It may down the road, like Android eventually became in the phone market, but not this year. They need time to get things in order and kinks worked out.

On a different note, you still didn't acknowledge that I did respond to you about the uses of a USB port.

Was it 60 FPS? I know Apple shoots for 60 FPS on everything for iOS. I

It's sometimes 60, but it does slow down so it's not 60 all the time. It really depends on what's going on. It happens in cases where you wouldn't think. Personally, I think it's more of an optimization issue since it's the first instance of Honeycomb rather than the hardware itself.

Did you just compare jailbreaking an ipad to side loading?

And really, wtf happened to this thread? We got guys that would rather argue about dumbshit instead of actually.celebrating and enjoying a great product. Had some of you simply ignored chin and chin's twin, you could actually make this a productive thread again. I'm sure there are new owners who could use some app recommendations, hints and such.

If best buy gets their shipment before the 27th, Ill be back in here with questions of my own!

Why can it only be a circle jerk in here? Why can't we discuss it for the pros and cons and not pretend it's god's gift and a perfect product? The problem with the discussion is the fact that people argue in extremes rather than just simply acknowledge that ya, that's an issue, or that could be better. They'd rather try to discredit or make fun of and pretend it's a non issue. I mean look at the guy who said "Where are you finding Flash on the web?" and then respond with "Well if you click on a link and it doesn't work, just google till you find a working one, no problem" Seriously?

 

[Technosteve]

I got a chance to play with the Xoom today. Usable, but Apple has nothing to worry about.

My biggest complaint, other than the usual problems I have with Android, is the screen. 16x10 feels wrong when you hold it in portrait. The button on the back is bizarre, as well.

the xoom is too heavy and it feels like i'm batman when i use it but i'm too weak, my friend didn't really have any killer apps to show me. His biggest complaint is that he has to use handbreak to downsample movies to run on the Xoom since none of the video apps have hardware acceleration and the native app only plays certain formats. I did like the tabs in chrome but he had to use developer mode so he could change the user agent so lots of errors would pop up so that got annoying. None native apps would run stretched out in portions that it was never meant to run, my friend told me not to run any of those cause they all run like shit. Multitasking i thought worked liked Web OS swipe through the apps but nope, only gives you the last apps you ran on the side to switch to.


> Caveat: "Flash" when websites have embedded videos with html 5 on the ipad i was amazed that the video just played nothing slowed down and i could zoom in to it or make it full screen, and when i returned to safari from another app and the video held the last position.

to reiterate my last position on Flash, WHO GIVES A SHIT. If flash is so important get a Xoom and wait for Flash 10.12 to come out.

 

[iAmMaximus]

Called my local Target and they told me they're re-stocking tomorrow. Hopefully I'll score one soon....

 

[Ollie Pooch]

I asked on another forum but didn't really get an answer - how does Flash work with respect to rollovers etc on a touch screen? Does it even work?

I know most people refer to videos and streaming when talking about mobile Flash, but I'm curious as to how it would work for Flash games and the like.

 

[kinggroin]

I believe they take about the same level of research, desire, and intelligence for the user. Jailbreaking is pretty dead simple, and I am sure I can go up to 10 random Android users on the street and ask them about side loading and only 1 will know what the hell I am talking about.

You can run flash on a jb iOS device, and if you have to side load to get flash on the xoom, I don't see too much of a difference.

hahaha wtf, research?! Sideloading is a PART of android unless a carrier goes out of their way to remove it. You can sideload any apk with no research and very little intelligence. The same can't always be said for jailbreaking; especially on a device that's still waiting for the exploit.


Not to be mean or anything, but I have a feeling you are getting sideloading and rooting (the android equivalent of jailbreaking) mixed up my man.

 

[neojubei]

I got a chance to play with the Xoom today. Usable, but Apple has nothing to worry about.

My biggest complaint, other than the usual problems I have with Android, is the screen. 16x10 feels wrong when you hold it in portrait. The button on the back is bizarre, as well.

I just wrote the same thing when i tried out the xoom. The ipad is more versatile as it can be used in portrait and landscape and not feel awkward.

 

[Burger]

Denying mobile plugins doesn't really make the situation any better though. Plus, I remember Adobe having it actually up and running and being told that they would not be allowed. I swore they were being even denied in the app store. Do you honestly think if Adobe created their own webkit browser with Flash in it that Apple would approve it? I'd bet a million dollars that it would be denied and never allowed.

All browsers on iOS use the built in Webkit framework. Except for Opera, which doesn't, and as a result has to execute javascript server side.

Adobe wouldn't be able to create a client side browser that includes Flash without breaking the "No Private API's" rule, and therefore would not be allowed. So I agree.

On a different note, you still didn't acknowledge that I did respond to you about the uses of a USB port.

I'll go back and have a look. Although I may not reply, because I'll just disagree, tell you to get computer or something and we will just go round and round...

 

[X-Frame]

How many people are planning on jailbreaking their iPad 2 once it's available?

I never did it before .. don't want to do it for fear of messing up my iPhone 4 since it is my phone, but my iPad I want to get the most out of it. I don't even know what sort of things people have available to them with their current iPad's that are JB'ed.

 

[Marty Chinn]

I'll go back and have a look. Although I may not reply, because I'll just disagree, tell you to get computer or something and we will just go round and round...

I don't think it's anything unreasonable, just more handy. I mean how easy and nice would it be to hook it up to extract something at a relative's house like a picture just by hooking it up with any old USB cable laying around rather than needing to make sure someone has an Apple USB cable. There's that and the other reasons I listed in the previous post. I just don't see what would be such a pitfall for having a USB port available. How does it hurt you so much more than it may benefit you? It would benefit everyone.

 

[LyleLanley]

How many people are planning on jailbreaking their iPad 2 once it's available?

I never did it before .. don't want to do it for fear of messing up my iPhone 4 since it is my phone, but my iPad I want to get the most out of it. I don't even know what sort of things people have available to them with their current iPad's that are JB'ed.

I've jail broken all my other iDevices and as soon as it's possible on my new iPad I'll do it to that.

 

[Marty Chinn]

How many people are planning on jailbreaking their iPad 2 once it's available?

I never did it before .. don't want to do it for fear of messing up my iPhone 4 since it is my phone, but my iPad I want to get the most out of it. I don't even know what sort of things people have available to them with their current iPad's that are JB'ed.

I feared jailbreaking when I had a 3G, but I couldn't wait anymore with a 4. I don't do much with it so I keep it simple but a lot of the stuff is more related to phone usage than tablet usage. I pretty much have:

MyWi - USB, Bluetooth, WiFi tethering to use with a laptop or iPad
My3G - Tricks the phone to think you're on WiFi when you're on 3G which allows for actually being able to use YouTube when you're on 3G since it sucks otherwise, and FaceTime
Notified Pro - Godly for notifications. Absolute must have combined with Notification Grip
Activator - Let's you add gestures or change how to launch things. I don't use much here but I use it with SBSettings and NotifiedPro and as a way to quick launch the camera
SBSettings - Just easy access to toggle things like WiFi, Bluetooth, 3G, and brightness no matter where you are
ToneFX - Change notification tones to anything you want
TVOutTuner - Let's you view anything from the video output rather than requiring an app to support it.

That's pretty much it. So I can see maybe Notified Pro but at this point, I have to think Apple will have something within the next three months that will address this. Maybe ToneFX if you want different notifications. TVOutTuner is obsolete in the iPad 2 with the HDMI mirroring, and brightness control already exists in the iPad. So ya, not sure there's much of a compelling reason to JB.

Oh wait, I forgot, on the iPad I use XBMC because it blows away all other media players out on the iPad. It'll play just about anything and no need for conversion or transcoding. That alone made the iPad a usable around the house video player suddenly. It was useless before to me because of needing to transcode and things like that.

 

[Burger]

I don't think it's anything unreasonable, just more handy. I mean how easy and nice would it be to hook it up to extract something at a relative's house like a picture just by hooking it up with any old USB cable laying around rather than needing to make sure someone has an Apple USB cable. There's that and the other reasons I listed in the previous post. I just don't see what would be such a pitfall for having a USB port available. How does it hurt you so much more than it may benefit you? It would benefit everyone.

OK, going back and reading your post, it's more of an argument for mini USB and against the 30pin dock connector.

The 30pin dock connector does much more than just data and power, it does stereo sound, video, mode selectors etc. It cannot be replaced by USB.

If you are arguing that it should have USB in addition to the dock connector, I disagree. Consumers would expect every USB device to work like it does on their computer. It would be confusing. Why doesn't my printer work!? Why doesn't my USB HDD work!? And so on.

I think the Camera connection kit is a good compromise, although I would like to see a SD slot in future iPad's, but it's not terribly important.

 

[Marty Chinn]

OK, going back and reading your post, it's more of an argument for mini USB and against the 30pin dock connector.

The 30pin dock connector does much more than just data and power, it does stereo sound, video, mode selectors etc. It cannot be replaced by USB.

If you are arguing that it should have USB in addition to the dock connector, I disagree. Consumers would expect every USB device to work like it does on their computer. It would be confusing. Why doesn't my printer work!? Why doesn't my USB HDD work!? And so on.

I think the Camera connection kit is a good compromise, although I would like to see a SD slot in future iPad's, but it's not terribly important.

I'm personally thinking in addition because like you said, the dock connector does more than just connect USB. I'm not sure I agree that every consumer would think that either. Nobody gets confused with smartphones and other devices. Like you said, they already offer it in an adapter form and people cope with that just fine.

There are just plenty of uses for it outside of just syncing, and I could only imagine how much it could benefit from having one. I would love to be able to simply bring a tablet with me on a trip and leave the laptop at home because for the most part, it covers things just fine. But like web browsing, there's that 10 to 20% case scenario that it doesn't cover which is a bit annoying.

 

[NJ Shlice]

My friend works at the Apple store in NYC, corner of 14th and 9th, and he said they got 10 iPad first thing this morning and then about 50 a few hours later.

Check your Apple store at least first thing or early afternoon.

 

[numble]

My friend works at the Apple store in NYC, corner of 14th and 9th, and he said they got 10 iPad first thing this morning and then about 50 a few hours later.

Check your Apple store at least first thing or early afternoon.

Did they sell those 50 today? Did they just turn away everybody in line?
This was the line at that store on Tuesday.

 

[PhoncipleBone]

Sweet mother, I go to work for one shift, come back and this thread went to hell and back, and then back again. WTF is still going on with the Flash arguments? I thought we got over this last year when the iPad 1 was announced.

 

[Burger]

I'm personally thinking in addition because like you said, the dock connector does more than just connect USB. I'm not sure I agree that every consumer would think that either. Nobody gets confused with smartphones and other devices. Like you said, they already offer it in an adapter form and people cope with that just fine.

There are just plenty of uses for it outside of just syncing, and I could only imagine how much it could benefit from having one. I would love to be able to simply bring a tablet with me on a trip and leave the laptop at home because for the most part, it covers things just fine. But like web browsing, there's that 10 to 20% case scenario that it doesn't cover which is a bit annoying.

Sure, it may be useful to some people some of the time. We both know Apple like to keep it relatively simple though, and the USB dongle is specifically marketed as a 'Camera Connection Kit'.

I occasionally stumble across something frustrating that I can't do on my iPad, but it's never a big issue. I mean, there were times when people didn't have iPads!

 

[jax (old)]

There are people here who don't own iPads and hate them, and Apple for making them.

FIXED.

Marty Chinn seems to want a device that's not ipad and he keeps shitting on all the threads. I read the Ipad1 OT and now this one.

yeah, makes a nice tv when on the treadmill.

Better on the gymbike. Used it when I peddled. Watched Misfits. 40minutes. Woosh.

makes the days when I coveted an archos seemed like a J O K E.

 

[VGChampion]

Flash argument will never go away until it dies or we die.

I really don't remember ever being on a site with Flash though in the last year or so. I'm almost always browsing here or Reddit on my iPhone and those are really my only two sites. I want to play a quick game; I have my iPhone / iPad over addictinggames.