Apple releases Safari 4 beta
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iamcool388
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I'm guessing no solution has been found to Safari's gif problem? Because if not, i might just go back to safari 3... No point getting beachballs everytime I go into the O-T.
or the KZ2 thread.
DeathbyVolcano
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Futureman said:
I get it a bunch too.
Nazgul_Hunter
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Futureman said:
I erased my cache and they've gone down significantly
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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It happens with large animated gifs.Futureman said:
LiveFromKyoto
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Is there a free Safari extension that does what Chrome's search bar does? Ie., default to google search, wiki ~ does wiki search, etc. That's the one glaring omission from 4.0, imo.
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So I used Safari all day yesterday and really started understanding what it was all about (after I did the terminal command to make links open in new tabs versus new windows).
Having bookmark folders in the bookmark bar were cool. The rendering was blazing fast.
...but the animated gifs make it an absolute no go for me. I will not browse GAF with half-ass animated GIF support. Will be an instant convert the moment animated GIFs are supported properly.
Having bookmark folders in the bookmark bar were cool. The rendering was blazing fast.
...but the animated gifs make it an absolute no go for me. I will not browse GAF with half-ass animated GIF support. Will be an instant convert the moment animated GIFs are supported properly.
i seem to be getting the beach ball an awful lot recently, to the point where its just ridiculous, even on pages with no animated gifs whatsoever.
i wouldnt mind so much if it was just slow but a browser really shouldnt become completely unresponsive just because you opened a new tab
tried emptying my cache and deleting any left over internet plugins and greasekit.. hopefully that should fix it for a while
they need to hurry up with mac google chrome. i cant face going back to mozilla and its wonky layout/rendering.
i wouldnt mind so much if it was just slow but a browser really shouldnt become completely unresponsive just because you opened a new tab
tried emptying my cache and deleting any left over internet plugins and greasekit.. hopefully that should fix it for a while
they need to hurry up with mac google chrome. i cant face going back to mozilla and its wonky layout/rendering.
so i made a stupid script that removes animated gifs from gaf posts.. that infamous gifs post no longer kills safari 
wanted to make it check the size but seems you cant (easily) find the size of images from outside the domain of the current page
needs greasekit (and so also simbl)
paste this into a file called gifblock.user.js or something (needs to end in .user.js), then drag drop it to safari, and click install. only runs on pages on neogaf.com, and has a very lame way of checking if its one of the forums own gifs. all other gifs just get killed!
if anyone knows a better way of doing this...
wanted to make it check the size but seems you cant (easily) find the size of images from outside the domain of the current page
needs greasekit (and so also simbl)
paste this into a file called gifblock.user.js or something (needs to end in .user.js), then drag drop it to safari, and click install. only runs on pages on neogaf.com, and has a very lame way of checking if its one of the forums own gifs. all other gifs just get killed!
if anyone knows a better way of doing this...
Code:
// ==UserScript==
// @name gif blocker for safari
// @namespace http://www.internet.com
// @description block gif in safari
// @include http://www.neogaf.com/*
// ==/UserScript==
var allImg, thisImg;
var isagif=/.gif$/;
var isagaf=/images\//;
allImg = document.getElementsByTagName('img');
for (var i = 0; i < allImg.length; i++)
{
thisImg = allImg[i];
if(isagif.test(thisImg.src) && (!isagaf.test(thisImg.src))) thisImg.src="";
}Phobophile
A scientist and gentleman in the manner of Batman.
But does it discriminate between animated and static GIFs?panda21 said:so i made a stupid script that removes animated gifs from gaf posts.. that infamous gifs post no longer kills safari
wanted to make it check the size but seems you cant (easily) find the size of images from outside the domain of the current page
needs greasekit (and so also simbl)
paste this into a file called gifblock.user.js or something (needs to end in .user.js), then drag drop it to safari, and click install. only runs on pages on neogaf.com, and has a very lame way of checking if its one of the forums own gifs. all other gifs just get killed!
if anyone knows a better way of doing this...
WISE FWOM YOUR GWAVE!
safari 4 final release is out today, June 8. download it.
some notes.
Tabs on Top is fucking GONE. that's a big one. I guess that UI experiment didn't work out. I see no option to bring it back in preferences and the images on the apple site all show tabs on bottom
the spinning wheel loading icon is now a button that shows the stop "X" plus the spinner in one within the address bar. so there's a clear place to click to stop loading. I talked about that before in this thread and it looks like apple got enough feedback to change it.
really large animated gifs still crash safari for me (it freezes so long that I force quit.) an example? go to page 3 of the e3 gifs thread and watch the 3 lord of the rings gifs. if they don't crash your mac, tell me youre using an octo-core mac pro or something.
I might be crazy but it seems even faster than the beta... probably just a placebo effect.
safari 4 final release is out today, June 8. download it.
some notes.
Tabs on Top is fucking GONE. that's a big one. I guess that UI experiment didn't work out. I see no option to bring it back in preferences and the images on the apple site all show tabs on bottom
the spinning wheel loading icon is now a button that shows the stop "X" plus the spinner in one within the address bar. so there's a clear place to click to stop loading. I talked about that before in this thread and it looks like apple got enough feedback to change it.
really large animated gifs still crash safari for me (it freezes so long that I force quit.) an example? go to page 3 of the e3 gifs thread and watch the 3 lord of the rings gifs. if they don't crash your mac, tell me youre using an octo-core mac pro or something.
I might be crazy but it seems even faster than the beta... probably just a placebo effect.
infiniteloop
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LCfiner said:
Interesting, i figured as i had put the tabs back on the bottom in the beta, they were still there because of that.
It really does feel faster than the beta. Loading bar is better, but I prefer the original blue bar.
LCfiner said:
I tried uninstalling the beta first (revert back to safari 3), adn it hung for quite sometime during the shutdown period of restart. So hit the shutdown button and restarted...about to install the safari 4 dmg now.
If the tabs on top are gone, I'll probably be pretty sad. I quite like the extra space.
infiniteloop
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It seems the Loading bar is blue before the page loads, once is loads and is useable it turns silver, until all the loading is done.
i like the new loading bar, and it feels faster, but it looks like tabs on top is gone for good :'(
i tried to find one of those defaults write things to put it back but looks like its not in there
i think theres a new toolbar button for topsites that werent there before, which is nice, although it might be old.
i tried to find one of those defaults write things to put it back but looks like its not in there
i think theres a new toolbar button for topsites that werent there before, which is nice, although it might be old.
badcrumble
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Delighted that they got rid of tabs on top and restored the in-address-bar loading.
badcrumble said:
UGGGH. This is super-duper weak. Screw Apple for listening to the whiners on this one, or, you know, for not putting a FUCKING option for where the tabs go into the preferences. (Which is how it should be, so that both camps can be happy.) Seriously Apple, what is your deal with not putting major, basic-level options into Safari's prefs. Still have to use a stylesheet to get rid of link underlining, which most regular people would have no clue how to do.
But, honestly, going back to the old-style tabs is just torture, and now I'm suffering because some people couldn't learn a new (and better) way to live. Hopefully I can figure out how to get them into their proper, at-the-top locations here ASAP.
MiloFoxburr
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I liked the bit of extra space I got from having the Tabs on top and am used to it now from using Chrome. But Safari supports Windows 7 properly and splits tabs like Internet Explorer so I like that.Dunno what to use.. Might just wait for Chrome to add the Windows 7 feature
-edit- Actually the windows 7 thing kinda works.. When you scroll over a page it just shows a black page till you click the tab
shidoshi said:
nah, you're wrong.
tabs on top broke too much shit in the UI. unsure where to click to drag windows, title bar text size, tab dragging zones, active/ inactive colors.all of it was just weird when compared to other OS X apps.
I can live with losing 10 pixels of screen real estate and have a more consistent experience across apps.
mrkgoo said:Mine isn't restored...
that's it. it's blue/grey when loading, then light grey. says "loading" inside it and shows the stop button
NeoGAF seems to load "slower" (still fast) than any of the other sites I frequent. Everything else is near instant. With GAF, the top area and header are instant but it takes an extra second or two for the posts to pop in.
Honestly, probably no slower than Chrome or Firefox, but it's that uneven page loading that's annoying.
Honestly, probably no slower than Chrome or Firefox, but it's that uneven page loading that's annoying.
LCfiner said:nah, you're wrong.
all of it was just weird when compared to other OS X apps.
I can live with losing 10 pixels of screen real estate and have a more consistent experience across apps.
it didnt break anything
you could drag fine just by clicking and holding
overall the whole tabs concept is more consistent with them at the top - its a collection of windows grouped together. with them below its a lot less visually consistent with what you are doing because it looks like the tabs are only related to the address bar, when really they control the contents of the whole window.
it all feels much nicer with them at the top
CrunchinJelly
formerly cjelly
Is there anyway to smooth out the mousewheel?
It seems to jerk pretty heavy and jumps quite a few lines each time.
It seems to jerk pretty heavy and jumps quite a few lines each time.
panda21 said:it didnt break anything
you could drag fine just by clicking and holding
overall the whole tabs concept is more consistent with them at the top - its a collection of windows grouped together. with them below its a lot less visually consistent with what you are doing because it looks like the tabs are only related to the address bar, when really they control the contents of the whole window.
it all feels much nicer with them at the top
no, the problem was that you had to click the small area of the title bar that was the active tab. if you licked an inactive tab in the title bar, you switched tabs. and you had limited space for dragging tabs.
also, click thru form other apps was worse. if you want to go back to the page you were viewing, you had to click on that portion of the title bar with the active tab. if you clicked on the part of the title bar with an inactive tab, you changed to that tab.
so it slows you down as you need to stop and think about the place you're clicking while switching apps.
look, I had gotten used to the tabs on top using the beta. I did. but there's a lot of things wrong with it so I'm glad they're gone.
mrkgoo said:
it's a dark grey with some blue. kinda like itunes scrollbars. maybe darker. so I guess grey works.
LCfiner said:nah, you're wrong.
How often are you dragging around your Safari window? I mean really? That's a very small complaint. Tab dragging zones took me all of ten seconds to get used to. And as far as "consistent" UI, I'd be right there with you if Apple actually gave a damn about consistent UI anymore. So, at this point, I'd rather have the more pleasing usage experience, which was having the tabs at the top.
I think people simply didn't give them an honest try. I thought it was the goofiest decision ever at first, but a short time later I couldn't stand going back to Firefox because it didn't have tabs of a similar fashion.
panda21 said:
No, the solution is for Apple to quit being douchebags and allow the end user to select if they want "new school" or "old school" tabs. No need for some new hybrid.
LCfiner said:
Ah gotcha. Thought mine was borken or something.
I got used to teh tabs on top, and possibly even prefer them overall. But I did get a lot of click dragging windows, or minimising by accident instead of just selecting a tab. I'm sure I'll just get used to again. I swear the tabs look different than in safari 3 too. They look 'nicer'. More rounded corners? And was the close tab button always on the left in Safari 3 too?
shidoshi said:
I rip out tabs to play video alongside another safari window all the time (widescreens, yay). but that part is something that I got used to quickly. it was the click thru stuff and the moving the window around issues that still got to me even after a couple months of playing around.
obviously, I'm not alone.
oh, and Id say that 10.5 added a lot of UI consistency. brushed metal got kicked to the curb and the finder got the itunes treatment. windows between different apps were a lot more slapdash in 10.4.
MrSardonic
The nerdiest nerd of all the nerds in nerdland
Safari 4 requires QT or QTA for html5 <video>? WTF is this shit
dbish said:
top sites was a bit mental for a while for me but it eventually seems to get it.
i have some sites i often visit but it also seems to throw in a few that i've visited recently over ones that i have visited more often..
seems there is an icon for a 'tabs on top' preference in it, its just not actually there
and theyve not put the webapps thing that worked perfectly in the old beta back in.maybe they are waiting for snow leopard so they have something to update :lol
LCfiner said:
I'm not going to sit here and say that there aren't people who had problems with those things, I just know that 99% of the time none of that was an issue for me. Either way, though, there should be the option to pick between the two. Apple looks totally amateurish now having touted this "great new tab interface" for the beta and the completely ripping it out for the final release.
Brushed metal being removed was a huge step forward, sure, but there is still a lot of UI inconsistency. Hell, the fact that Apple can't even decide what button style to use in the "unified" menubars alone shows that.
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