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April 2013 NPD Sales Results [Up3: Xbox 360 Top Platform, NSMBU LTD, Lego 3DS, Luigi]
- Thread starter Nirolak
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Not going to happen. If people aren't buying it now, the retailers aren't going to stand for that.
Remote play looked laggy as shit when they showed it (just like PSP-PS3 remote play). I don't think anyone buying a Vita for remote play is going to be happy with their purchase.
Umm..i don't think that was ever the case in most video game releases. NA and UK end up being the bulk of sales for retail. Let's say TR did 1.5M by the end of April in US and UK - i really really doubt rest of the world amassed to anywhere close to the remaining 2M retail copies.
Dude, its at neatly 100% attach rate. Do you want people to buy two copies?
Valkyria
Banned
GT5 sold 5 million in Europe, 50%. Think twice before belittling such a big market.
Great posts in this topic, been reading them with some interest. Sometimes people just don't want to hear the cold hard truth. Nobody on God's green Earth gives one half of a shit about the touchpad (hyperbole for effect, obviously: marc^o^ cares about it a lot!), which is really just the DS dual screen concept stretched out for a console without any of the benefits of a genuine handheld system, being tethered to the comically limited range of the Wii U. And that's what it comes down to, doesn't it? The touchpad made pricing strategics difficult for Nintendo, because Wii U is being sold at a slight loss already. And so the fact that nobody cared about it become a huge blunder... now they have a price anchor weighing them down on top of having no games. And what, Game & Wario going to change the systems fate? Pikmin? Smash Bros.? Mario Kart? Mario 3D? There's another system that had Pikmin, Smash Bros., Mario Kart and Mario 3D AND Zelda... it was called Gamecube. Now I loved that system, and Nintendo scratched out a profit on it, but I think everyone would say such a machine is a change of fate that Nintendo would not find acceptable.
Yes. GT5, Forza and generally racing games do better in Europe. For your typical AAA game that's not the case, especially when you expect 'rest of the world' to do half or more of the total sales.
1st Course
Member
E3 will be very telling, regarding what Sony plans to do with the Vita. A <$200 memory cardless revision is a must this year if they are really serious about it.
A Human Becoming
More than a Member
Roland Deschain
Member
Well if they use this as a measure then I hope Wii U owners REALLY like Nintendo games.
Still no Injustice numbers. Would be nice to have as a baseline for software numbers.
Nothing1016
Member
Hmmm by June/July Nintendo should cut the price of the Wii U by $50-75 and give early adopters a free download code for one first party game. Then bundle the hell out of it with another download code when Mario Kart comes out. Nintendo will most likely lose money with this but they need to sell more consoles so they can earn profits from their software.
On the other hand, the 3DS needs to be pushed hard. Cut the price by $30 before Pokemon X/Y comes out and give us more colors especially the limited edition ones.
I originally predicted the Wii U to sell around 50 million... but I'm gonna lower that to 25-30 million. I'm gonna stick with the my original 3DS prediction at 100 million.
On the other hand, the 3DS needs to be pushed hard. Cut the price by $30 before Pokemon X/Y comes out and give us more colors especially the limited edition ones.
I originally predicted the Wii U to sell around 50 million... but I'm gonna lower that to 25-30 million. I'm gonna stick with the my original 3DS prediction at 100 million.
Which is why I don't get the glee at Vita's failure. How can people who like games be happy that there will be fewer dedicated game platforms in the future? Sony isn't going to fund expensive risky games as a 3rd party in the portable space. Of course, the same question can be asked of those that are happy about Wii U failing. Nintendo as a third party would mean fewer games.
The last push for vita will be as PS4 peripheral. IDK for sure what the market for something like that might be though, maybe 10-20 million over the course of the console's life?
shinra-bansho
Member
I'm not sure why anyone thinks that Vita can survive as a peripheral to the PS4; it's $250, and the PS4 itself is likely be around $400 I'm guessing.
I wonder if Injustice has Warner questioning Arkham Origins; or whether currently announced projects are so far along that they may as well complete and release them regardless of knowing how poor the sales will be.
I wonder if Injustice has Warner questioning Arkham Origins; or whether currently announced projects are so far along that they may as well complete and release them regardless of knowing how poor the sales will be.
michaelius
Banned
Just like in Vita case it won't help without software. Basic was as low as 150 pounds/200 euros in various places in EU and that hardly helped
It really is like the best of DS and PSP rolled into one. No wonder there's no need for another handheld anymore.
No competition = shit situation. It's just the way it is.
Poetic.Injustice
Member
Did PS2 sales ever get as bad six months before PS3 released?
I think people are waiting for PS4/Durango to drop to start spending money again. Any game that comes out before those two release will see the tepid results we see now, this includes TLoU which I think will do Bioshock numbers.
Nothing1016
Member
I don't now Europe's situation and video game buying tendencies very well, but I pointed to June/July because thats when the hypothetical "relaunch" is suppose to commence. More games will actually be dropping on a month to month basis compared to now. So that will make it the best opportunity for the Wii U to build any type of momentum heading into the war zoned holidays. Not saying it will work but its probably their best bet.
michaelius
Banned
That still would be waste of price cut - why do this with Pikmin and in traditionally slow summer months when you can suffer two more months and do this with zelda remake and 3D mario in much more busy period of year.
Magicpaint
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I know it's not exactly the same thing, but there has not been any precedence for handheld/console connectivity boding well for the struggling counterpart. It didn't do much for GC with GBA connectivity, for example. Unless it's accompanied with a massive Vita price drop, then you can't charge that much for so little value proposition.
Infernal Monkey
Member
It really is like the best of DS and PSP rolled into one. No wonder there's no need for another handheld anymore.
Well, except for the exciting new innovative region locking feature.
Monty Mole
Member
Seems pretty obvious that Nintendo is keen to re-launch Wii and that's the reason behind the unexplained delays of Pikmin 3, TW101 - and Ubisoft's Rayman Legends (it could have debuted on Wii U first).
They could have a solid line-up from September onwards, so it looks like they're saving their big marketing push for then.
So, the big question is will the inevitable relaunch work? Can Nintendo turn things around with Wii U? Well they obviously haven't been able to convince EA that they can.
AssCred: Liberation, COD, Uncharted, probably forgetting some. A portable co-op monster hunting game is not mainstream in USA.
Nothing1016
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Well they have to position the price cut carefully. I see two options: one they price cut early this summer to give them a few extra months, but miss out on the influential 3D Mario spark, or they price cut later when they have heavy hitters like you said, but have to compete with GTAV, COD Ghosts, and the growing next-gen anticipation. I guess they have to choose their own poison with neither looking all that great. Christmas does tend to favor Nintendo though I think.
A Human Becoming
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The lowest it sold 6 months prior to the PS3 was 232k.
CrunchinJelly
formerly cjelly
Magicpaint
Member
Soul Hackers at least didn't tank...I think. Soul Sacrifice sort of did alright too, all things considered.
Still can't shake off how depressing the market looks now. PS4/Durango need to come out to shake things up.
Still can't shake off how depressing the market looks now. PS4/Durango need to come out to shake things up.
The market is going to be very crowded and very noisy in the fall, so I'm really interested to see Ninty's strategy.
So called family products are actually products for children, and I think that selling the wii u as a family gadget is the only sensible angle Nintendo can pursue. The most successful family products are those that also have real appeal to adults, that is why Pixar movies pre-Disney buyout were so successful, and the same with the wii. Nintendo won't have any problem showing the world kids having fun with the Wii U and why parents should buy it for their kids. But how are they going to make it appealing to non-core adults?
They are trying to do that with the new family ads. The problem is, while having fun with kids is one of life's great pleasures, you don't need a wii u for that. So what is the appeal to adults who aren't already gamers with the wii u? How can they cast the Wii U as Finding Nemo and not Spy Kids 3D?
Well in the first place, they have Nemo in their casting, by that I mean Link, Zelda, Mario, Yoshi, etc.
No, the PS2 was outselling the 360 at that point.
Nintendo fans with birthdays. I'm sure that's the vast majority of your 37k.
Nothing1016
Member
Nintendo Fans will buy any Nintendo console. I'm a great example. I'd buy a pet-rock if Nintendo made it.
Katana_Strikes
Member
Sony and MS, the time is now for price drops on your aging hardware. The market has spoken.
Nintendo... I just don't know what to say anymore. It's been a complete disaster on every level. Games, marketing, 3rd party support, pricing, image. Aye, aye, aye. Just terrible. No one could have seen or predicted this bad of an after launch. And it's BAD! ~35k units in a month not only beats their previous worst a couple of months back (which was already the worst selling mainline console ever in this time) but it completely slashes it takes it to a whole new level of bad. It was just horrendous planning from Nintendo and they didn't have a back-up plan because they expected it to take off again just like the Wii. Now they are getting burned and a major 3rd party has now completely abandoned ship.
In 4 months the WiiU looks to have sold way less than 1 million WW (just over 500k in the US and JP, so maybe 750k tops for WW?). The machine just has little to no desirability outside of the faithful. I just don't know what Nintendo were thinking. Or how they can realistically turn the ship around. Yes the big hitters are still to come but so is the two pronged assault coming from Sony and MS, which are more so going to make the WiiU look old hat and they will have games that people know and love from everyone other than Nintendo.
Nintendo needs to pluck a new gimmick out of thin air for the WiiU to actually start selling in decent numbers every month. Only this time I don't think they can.
Nintendo... I just don't know what to say anymore. It's been a complete disaster on every level. Games, marketing, 3rd party support, pricing, image. Aye, aye, aye. Just terrible. No one could have seen or predicted this bad of an after launch. And it's BAD! ~35k units in a month not only beats their previous worst a couple of months back (which was already the worst selling mainline console ever in this time) but it completely slashes it takes it to a whole new level of bad. It was just horrendous planning from Nintendo and they didn't have a back-up plan because they expected it to take off again just like the Wii. Now they are getting burned and a major 3rd party has now completely abandoned ship.
In 4 months the WiiU looks to have sold way less than 1 million WW (just over 500k in the US and JP, so maybe 750k tops for WW?). The machine just has little to no desirability outside of the faithful. I just don't know what Nintendo were thinking. Or how they can realistically turn the ship around. Yes the big hitters are still to come but so is the two pronged assault coming from Sony and MS, which are more so going to make the WiiU look old hat and they will have games that people know and love from everyone other than Nintendo.
Nintendo needs to pluck a new gimmick out of thin air for the WiiU to actually start selling in decent numbers every month. Only this time I don't think they can.
Amongst gamers who are nintendo fans, sure. But everybody else? not so much.
dragonfart28
Banned
It's sold over 2 million units world wide.
4 months is probably talking about Jan 1st - April 30th.
IceDoesntHelp
Banned
Now if only we had numbers for Lego City Undercover. (Unless we do and I just missed it)
quickwhips
Member
21 months is amazing. Isn't it? I mean sure sales are down but no one expected xbox 360 to ever do that.
Katana_Strikes
Member
Yes that's correct, the last 4 months of data we have of actual units sold. I was talking about after launch sales.
shinra-bansho
Member
~650K is more likely. Around 500K for US+JPN as you said. Europe for the first three months of the year was ~120K. Probably another 25K or so from April, maybe less, considering Europe seems to have taken to the system even less than the other two regions. There's other countries outside these general territories though I suppose, 700K is likely a maximum.
dragonfart28
Banned
Why pick an arbitrary timeframe to represent the entire situation?
And goddamn, PS3 sales are shitty.
Sony better hope PS4 launches with a bang or else it's another $4 Billion in the hole for them.