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Enk said:
Everybody posting Evil Dead 2 and Army of Darkness gifs. I'm more of an Evil Dead 1 fan myself. Something very visceral and unrelenting about how that film was made that I haven't seen recaptured anywhere else. Even in the more serious reboot.

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Have you seen Behind the Scene footage? It's ridiculous how low budget the movie is, and yet it's brilliant than a lot of horror movies out there. I can't unsee the projector being used for the giant moon lol.
 
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shagg_187 said:
Have you seen Behind the Scene footage? It's ridiculous how low budget the movie is, and yet it's brilliant than a lot of horror movies out there. I can't unsee the projector being used for the giant moon lol.
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The Evil Dead series for me are among those rare films where I love hearing and reading stories as to how they accomplished a lot of shots and effects, but rather not watch the making ofs. I feel peeking behind the wizard's curtain would lessen the illusion these films have long held for me (though at times you can't help but see the strings and tubes which snuck their way into shots).
 
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Cipher Peon said:
YES!

I wouldn't take my word for it though because it, like Darknet, was made specifically to pander to me alone. I think Scream is one of the greatest films of all time, and the TV show does it fantastic justice.
I like the original a lot, but I think the reasons why I like it are the complete opposite of why you like it. I feel the original is very... dream like? There's a lot of weird trippy moments that make the entire thing feel strange and other worldly, which is the opposite of how I feel you described the film. The film being kept together with duct tape and sheer willpower just makes that dreamlike tone feel even more unique and wonderful. It's a fantastic film. Third favorite in the series for me as

Evil Dead (2013) > Army of Darkness > Evil Dead > Evil Dead II
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For me these days it's: The Evil Dead > Evil Dead II > Evil Dead '13 = Army of Darkness

But each one is unique enough for me to enjoy on its own merits.

When I was young Army of Darkness was my favorite. Then in my later teenage years Evil Dead II became my favorite because of its balance of dark humor and horror. But as I got older I really grew to appreciate the first one the most. From a former wannabe filmmaker's perspective, the film is an amazing accomplishment of low budget horror filmmaking. There was a sheer perseverance of doing whatever you can to get specific shots and moments onto film. It was a director and crew doing everything they can to get their imagination onscreen.

From a storyteller side, it's how well they handle the buildup and the pacing of such a basic idea.Yeah I guess in a sense there is a timeless, dreamlike quality to how the story is told, but I really like how the evil presence here is unrelenting. Everything escalates more and more into chaos. It gets to the point where it feels completely hopeless for the hero. All his possessed friends bearing down on him at once as he tries to make a last ditch effort to end the madness. And even after his last effort seemed successful there's still one crazy visual moment after the next which happens to the very last frame (then happy music!). Also the 8mm look of the film and the rawness of its make-up and effects kept all that insanity weirdly grounded compared to the following films.

The 2013 film has grown on me with repeated viewings. It suffers from a weak opening 30 minutes where the characters come off as more soap opera-y than fun, campy cheese. Once the book was read the film turns for the better, and becomes more progressively Evil Dead as it goes on. I thought the escalation was a little weak compared the the first two, but the blood soaked, fiery finale was visually impressive. The whole film in fact looks absolutely striking. I guess if you can't have the Sam Cam then just make sure your film looks good.

I think my problem with it was that each possessed incident was an isolated event and doesn't build into the culminating chaos of the originals. Even though the possessed were cool to look at, with the exception of Mia, they mostly came off as slow moving zombies with weapons rather than the wicked taunting demons from the originals. Also giving rules to killing off the possessed hurts the potential of more imaginative moments (ex. crawling severed hand, headless Linda with a chainsaw, etc). Even with these problems I still really enjoyed it though.
 
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Enk said:
For me these days it's: The Evil Dead > Evil Dead II > Evil Dead '13 = Army of Darkness

But each one is unique enough for me to enjoy on its own merits.

When I was young Army of Darkness was my favorite. Then in my later teenage years Evil Dead II became my favorite because of its balance of dark humor and horror. But as I got older I really grew to appreciate the first one the most.
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Oh I am totally the same way. I grew to love ED1 the most and prefer it to the overtly comedic approach... that being said I still love the others and can't wait for this series to start.
 
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I would have preferred the tv series to be more straight up horror with some slight comedy from time to time (ala Evil Dead 1) but I am just thrilled to be getting more Evil Dead altogether. Never expected it to ever happen and here we are. The hype is real!

Also it does make sense for the more comedic approach they are taking in a bid to get more viewers. I hope this show does well for Starz and for us fans.
 
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All these years checking and posting on deadites.net hoping for news on Evil Dead IV and it's finally happening (well, sorta) in two weeks!

So fucking excited.
 
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I believe it's changed to 24 hours this year since the threads would fill out to fast with no info, same reason why hype threads were banned.
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24hrs is for gaming only aparently
 
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I was checking some of the recent TV threads before I put this one up just to double check and saw several that were put up well past a week before the first episode (ex. Gotham S2). So I felt it would've been ok to put this up less than 2 weeks out, especially for something as long anticipated as this. Plus the review embargo is about to lift in the next 24 hours for the first two episodes so there will be a bunch of info coming in for the show pretty shortly.
 
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I still need to watch the movies, never watched it tbh. I'm a bit bummed that it is only 30 min, I didn't expect an hour but the usual 40 min per episode (although much better than 24x40 min. with 5+ seasons), anyway the trailer looked good.
 
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Enk said:
Everybody posting Evil Dead 2 and Army of Darkness gifs. I'm more of an Evil Dead 1 fan myself. Something very visceral and unrelenting about how that film was made that I haven't seen recaptured anywhere else. Even in the more serious reboot.

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I love all the Evil Dead movies for completely different reasons. The first one isn't perfect but it still is a testament to the DIY guerrilla styled film making of the 1970's to early '80's. It is much more visceral than the two later sequels and has a grittier feel to it because of its shoe string production values. The Evil Dead 2013 reboot goes back to the roots of the original and is more of a straight up horror and gore fest. I liked the reboot a lot, to be honest. It's good, yet it takes a different route.

Evil Dead 2 always felt like a remake of Evil Dead 1 to me, despite the fact that Bruce Campbell and Sam Raimi said it wasn't. But let's not kid ourselves, it is. The continuity between 1 and 2 makes zero sense. But whatever. Evil Dead 2 does have better practical effects and a larger studio backed budget. It was still a low budget movie, but low budget by 1987 Hollywood standards, not independent filmmaker standards. This one does add slapstick moments and a lot of dark comedy. But it also does interesting things with Ash being alone in a cabin by himself. This adds some really neat psyche out scenes where we can see the main character slowly lose his mind.

Evil Dead 3: Army of Darkness takes the series in a completely silly b-movie direction. It feels like Lord of the Rings smashed together with Evil Dead and the three stooges. It still has a few really neat horror inspired set pieces. But that gets a little underplayed to the comedy aspect. Especially if you are accustomed to the American ending and not the world wide release ending.
 
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Reviews are starting to come in now for the first two episodes. Seems very positive!

Fangoria
Overall, ASH VS. EVIL DEAD starts off with a bang, literally and figuratively, and if the pilot is any indication, the series will easily be a contender for the most entertaining show currently on television. Through Raimi’s sheer directorial finesse, Campbell’s inimitable revival of Ash, the spectacular use of suspense and gore, and the outstanding newcomers to the EVIL DEAD universe, the first episode of ASH VS. EVIL DEAD delivers an action-packed, hilarious and compelling first episode guaranteed to impress newcomers and franchise fans alike. And if ASH VS. EVIL DEAD can keep the ball rolling and push the story into deeper, darker and weirder territory, there’s a a definite chance that the series will live up to the good will of the films that came before it.
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AV Club
That’s all nitpicking, however, considering that the over-the-top extreme cartoon violence—the raison d’être for anything Evil Dead—is glorious and appears mostly practical, spraying and splattering buckets of the red stuff (410 gallons of it, according to press materials) all over the frame and everything in it. (The occasional CGI head shot is forgivable, given that Starz probably doesn’t have HBO-level effects budgets.) When the Deep Purple kicks in on the soundtrack, Ash locks in his chainsaw hand, and the blood hoses are turned on, Ash Vs. Evil Dead is everything fans hoped it would be. Hopefully the series doesn’t get dragged down by the TV format, because in this case getting there just isn’t as much fun.
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Bloody Disgusting
And even though there’s a lot of character beats jammed into the first episode, Raimi is able to organically blend it into the action. He shows us why he’s one of the best genre directors ever, delivering more scares in a 30-minute episode of television than most directors can in an entire feature film. “Ash vs Evil Dead” carries an absolutely unrelenting pace that pauses only so Ash can get the last word.
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Den of Geek
But perhaps at first glance, the episode would seem to spend too much time underlining that point. In setting the tone of the series, the 30-minute pilot spends time aplenty with Ash behaving as ever the scoundrel while holding back on some of the visual flourishes fans tend to expect. There is the definite sense that Raimi is restraining himself behind-the-camera from the kind of elaborate forced, cant angles and inventive filmmaking that elevated the Evil Dead trilogy from mere schlock and into the realm of something deviously special.

... That is until the last 10 minutes or so of the 30-minute pilot. Ash vs. Evil Dead might appear stilted by relying on that familiar B-horror shorthand of archetypal characters and traditional horror set-ups, and the sudden inclusion of CGI, as opposed to stop-motion animation and the gallons of blood, for the pilot's most elaborate effects can at times feel like a concession. Still... just wait for those last 10 minutes.
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Reviews are starting to come in now for the first two episodes. Seems very positive!
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Sounds great. My only concern is that Raimi might set the bar too high for the first episode and the other directors won't be able to keep up with him. Hopefully that won't be the case. Shame that Sam Raimi can't just direct them all.
 
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Yeah the Bloody Disgusting review is kinda discouraging when it comes to my main concern: that the other directors will pale in comparison to Raimi.
 
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MrCunningham said:
Sounds great. My only concern is that Raimi might set the bar too high for the first episode and the other directors won't be able to keep up with him. Hopefully that won't be the case. Shame that Sam Raimi can't just direct them all.
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That's my main concern as well. Many directors in the past have tried to mimic his techniques, but have failed to capture exactly what makes his shots and editing work so well together. I have a feeling it might be the same here too. Rather than trying to ape his style what I would like is for each director to play to his/her strengths and make each episode stand out uniquely. Kind of like what the films have done. Evil Dead is a weird beast that is open enough to allow experimentations.

Also first seasons tend to be a learning process. I'm sure they'll take whatever criticisms they get to heart and improve in the following years. Raimi also stated if they are renewed they he'll be back to direct more episodes. So there is always that to look forward to.
 
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Enk said:
That's my main concern as well. Many directors in the past have tried to mimic his techniques, but have failed to capture exactly what makes his shots and editing work so well together. I have a feeling it might be the same here too. Rather than trying to ape his style what I would like is for each director to play to his/her strengths and make each episode stand out uniquely. Kind of like what the films have done. Evil Dead is a weird beast that is open enough to allow experimentations.

Also first seasons tend to be a learning process. I'm sure they'll take whatever criticisms they get to heart and improve in the following years. Raimi also stated if they are renewed they he'll be back to direct more episodes. So there is always that to look forward to.
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Yeah, each director going with their own style might work. Sam Raimi has a magic touch when he gets behind a camera, and it is something that no other director has ever really emulated. I love when he gets inventive with the camera set ups.
 
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glow said:
There won't be any Army of Darkness references on the show (they only have the rights to reference ED1 and 2) so don't worry about missing out on anything but yeah, you really need to see Army of Darkness.
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I'll watch it as soon as I have the opportunity to do so!
 
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FrsDvl said:
Same day, On Super Channel.
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Any idea if Super Channel exclusives hit iTunes/Google/Playstation/Xbox stores as they air in Canada? I keep looking to buy a seasons pass or whatever, but the show doesn't seem to exist on most services.
 
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Planning on subscribing to Super Channel for the duration of the season. Wish I could buy a season pass instead but Canada gonna Canada.
 
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Riptwo said:
Any idea if Super Channel exclusives hit iTunes/Google/Playstation/Xbox stores as they air in Canada? I keep looking to buy a seasons pass or whatever, but the show doesn't seem to exist on most services.
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I honestly don't know. They have Super Channel on Demand on Telus, but not sure how they are with putting stuff up once it aired.
 
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‘Ash Vs. Evil Dead’: Same-Day Worldwide Premiere Set On Starz

Starz’s anticipated premiere of its Ash Vs. Evil Dead original series, based on the classic Evil Dead horror films, will premiere in more than 100 countries and territories worldwide simultaneously with its network premiere in the U.S. on October 31.
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In a first-ever for Starz, the premium pay cabler said it constructed the global licensing deals with broadcasters and digital platforms based on the strong fan and distributor interest in the new series. Broadcasters and digital providers offering Ash vs Evil Dead on October 31 include Amedia (Russia/CIS); C More (Scandinavia); Fox Action on Fox+ Premium service/Fox Latin America Channels (Latin America/Brazil); Sky TV (New Zealand); Stan (Australia); Starz Play Arabia (Middle East/North Africa); and Super Channel (Canada).
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Some more reviews:

IGN - 8.5
And it's freakin' great. Now, keep in mind, it's not going to feel the same. As with most miraculously resurrected nostalgia properties, you're not going to be able to throw a lasso around all those old feelings and have the stars line up just right. This is twenty plus years later and you'll be - and it's funny to say this - watching Ash exist for the first time out of any Deadite context. At least for the first third of this pilot, "El Jefe."
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Deadline Video Review - Positive
Cut to the chase: If you want to inject some grown-up adrenaline into your pre-trick-or-treating on Halloween, check out Ash vs. Evil Dead – I think you’ll like it and be back for more gore.
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RatskyWatsky said:
‘Ash Vs. Evil Dead’: Same-Day Worldwide Premiere Set On Starz
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Glad to see they seem to be taking Evil Dead's return a bit seriously. It's a silly series, but it has been highly regarded and influential all around the world. They're also doing a series marathon along with a sneak peak next week before the premiere:

Setting the stage for the premiere of the highly-anticipated STARZ Original series Ash vs Evil Dead, Starz presents a marathon of the cult classic Evil Dead horror franchise on Friday, October 30 beginning at 8:00pm ET/PT hosted by Evil Dead star Bruce Campbell (Ash). The Evil Dead movie marathon will conclude with a sneak peek of the first episode of Ash vs Evil Dead at 12:15 a.m. ET/PT.

The Evil Dead movie marathon kicks off with the original 1981 cult classic, The Evil Dead, at 8:00pm ET/PT on STARZ. This seminal horror movie features five friends who go to a cabin in the woods where they find unspeakable evil lurking in the forest. They discover the Necronomicon, the Book of the Dead, which when translated releases a legion of demons and spirits. In order to survive the night, Ash must do battle with the evil dead.

The marathon continues with the 1987 sequel, Evil Dead 2 at 9:30pm ET/PT. Ash, the lone survivor of the original demon attack, returns in the second chapter of the cult franchise. Armed with a chainsaw and a shotgun, he again must fight the evil dead when a group of strangers interrupt his romantic vacation in a lonely cabin in the woods.

The Evil Dead movie marathon concludes with the 1992 third installment, Army of Darkness, at 10:55pm ET/PT and a sneak peek at the first episode of the STARZ Original series Ash vs Evil Dead. In Army of Darkness, our hero, Ash, is transported back in time to 1300 A.D. and once again faces off against the evil unleashed. In order to return to the present and get back home, he must take up his chainsaw and “boomstick” to defeat the Deadites and return the Necronomicon to its final resting place.

For fans that can’t wait for the marathon, The Evil Dead is currently available on STARZ, STARZ PLAY and STARZ ON DEMAND and Evil Dead 2 will be available on STARZ PLAY and STARZ ON DEMAND from October 26 through October 30. Army of Darkness will be available on STARZ, STARZ PLAY and STARZ ON DEMAND beginning November 1. Ash vs Evil Dead will be available on STARZ PLAY and STARZ ON DEMAND on October 31 at 12:00 a.m.
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tryagainlater said:
In 100 countries yet there seems to be no UK broadcaster.
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They're just following in the footsteps of the original's UK "delay". Just be patient for about a decade and it'll land on your shores. ;-)
 
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My biggest fear is that the first episode or two are going to be great and then it's going to drop off once the sidekicks are introduced. The good news is that if the new characters are just not working out and/or hated that much, they can be easily written out in a horror show. See: Andrea in Walking Dead.
 
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I actually think 30 minute episodes could be a good thing for the show. Part of the reason I think Evil Dead II is so much better than the first is because the pacing is relentless, and really works with the kinetic and frenzied visual style that suits the series.
 
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