Lokaum D+
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Yep, he lost his credibility to a lot of ppl, included me,
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rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
balls of snow
Member
Imagine playing this game in engrish. Immersive mode is for the real gamer.
ManaByte
Member
Because most normal people don’t care about the skin color of the main character.
Kurotri
Member
I'm not sure how immersive mode is immersive to be honest. For me it'd break immersion if one side spoke japanese and the other understood and responded in portuguese. Better to just use the japanese dub in general but that's just me.
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
Wow. After playing FF7 Remake I was gonna make a thread about how dogshit voice acting is in these huge budget games is, but this is next level bad.
TheInfamousKira
Reseterror Resettler
There's no such thing as normal people, lol. It's been demonstrated that there's a sizeable portion of people that do care, though not in the simplified, hyperbolized way you're phrasing. It's a complaint some people indeed have, it's just not one that the mainstream media is giving any fuel to, for better or worse.
FalsettoVibe
Member
Or maybe people are just reviewing a game for what it is and not trying to be political.
Killer8
Member
Does anyone else really just not care that "playing as Yasuke doesn't feel like an Assassin's Creed game?" You have a whole other character to capture those feelings if you wish and the game does not railroad you into playing as one or the other. The series is approaching nearly 20 years old, at this point it needs to be radically altering the formula beyond just offering "the same, but now open world".
SNPlayen
Member
I started playing Origins after RDR2 and my god the downgrade in quality and immersion was a shock. At the start I’m riding a camel through a village knocking villagers over like bowling pins as I go, then I see a camel on the roof of a hut. I immediately gave up and played a few years later it was a slog. I played about 20 hours of Valhalla and it was so repetitive I just couldn’t anymore. Those are my last 2 AC experiences
TheInfamousKira
Reseterror Resettler
I think the dual character idea with actual gameplay differences between the two was a good move, despite not being revolutionary. If they iterate and refine it as the series goes on, it could be a really cool AC-ism.
GudOlRub
Member
I liked Origins because Bayek's story was awesome, seeing how the brotherhood was born gave me an ear to ear smile.
Just like any Ubisoft series, the design is slightly iterated on until it is run into the ground. It's probably why people liked Origins so much as it was a departure from the norm.
I liked Mirage because the gameplay (excluding the stupid teleporting thing that I never used) was fun, the story was terrible.
Odyssey and Valhalla had horrible stories, horrible gameplay, felt stupidly bloated and pointless, their only redeeming features were their settings and soundtracks.
Now I was trying to listen to Shadows' soundtrack, see if that at least kept the same quality of its predecessors and dear god it's almost making my ears bleed... only the setting remains as one of AC strong suits I guess.
Bartski
Gold Member
I'm serious, codex in Mirage is legit awesome, like a history lesson I didn't know I wanted. Everything else about it sucks tho, feels like a game made in 2016.
I also recall it had a shop and ways to buy weapons, mounts and shit, but I never really cared to to pay attention. What I'm seeing from Shadows reviews, the MTX shop is huge and expanded over various progression resources like base camp building materials... omfg I just hate that with every fiber of my being. But I already bought the game and I will play it tomorrow AND STAY POSITIVE
xrnzaaas
Member
Thing is for the first time in the series changing the protagonist isn't (more or less) a cosmetic choice. They're two different characters with different playstyles and in my opinion a tank doesn't belong as one of the main protagonists of Assassin's Creed.
Plus we already know that you can't play the entire game with one favorite character. You need to switch them for certain missions, flashbacks, side activities etc.
rm082e
Member
Can you play the whole game as the lady character and never play as Yasuke?
viveks86
Member
90% of the game, apparently.
fart town usa
Member
My brother is gay and a turbo-Leftist. Even he is outspoken with his annoyance from forced diversity. People notice it and find it to be disingenuous. It's perfectly reasonable to roll your eyes at various trends in entertainment.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
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TheInfamousKira
Reseterror Resettler
Yeah, the immediate impulse to turn everything into an us vs. them exercise is becoming quite apparent.
Yes, the gay turbo leftist is a bigot for noticing forced inclusion.
Why yes, the Japanese people, that minority group called Asians, are racist because they hold their history's portrayal to a high standard.
Why, of course, if you take issue with blatant ideological pandering, you're "not normal,"
Like...come on, dudes.
Some people just don't like thing because reason and it isn't deeply interwoven into some Freudian repressed Nazi pathology or whatever shit.
fart town usa
Member
FWIW, I don't really think you're retarded.
Dr.Morris79
Gold Member
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
I'm so intrigued how they'll do that.
Is it an Alan Wake 2 style situation where both characters have their set missions and you can swap any time?
Or do most of the central story missions have two sets of dialogues and interactions factoring in both characters?
LectureMaster
Gold Member
From Gamespot's review:
So much of Shadows' issues come from Yasuke's inclusion. Not because he's a badly written character or because he doesn't feel like he belongs, but because much of what makes an Assassin's Creed game an Assassin's Creed is stripped away to make his samurai fantasy work. Naoe's shinobi fantasy works far better, effortlessly sliding into the gameplay loop of hunting down mysterious targets, puzzling through the best way to reach them, cutting them down, and disappearing without a trace.
So much of Shadows' issues come from Yasuke's inclusion. Not because he's a badly written character or because he doesn't feel like he belongs, but because much of what makes an Assassin's Creed game an Assassin's Creed is stripped away to make his samurai fantasy work. Naoe's shinobi fantasy works far better, effortlessly sliding into the gameplay loop of hunting down mysterious targets, puzzling through the best way to reach them, cutting them down, and disappearing without a trace.
Reizo Ryuu
Member
didn't you play odyssey? kassandra and alexios have dialogue recorded for everything.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Good point, I've always only played as Kassandra lol. Fuck Alexios.
ValiantInstance
Member
10/10 from The Guardian. Of course.
ManaByte
Member
Where was the outrage over the Arab characters you previously played in the series. Or the time when you played a half-Native American character and killed white people? Huh?
Miyazaki’s Slave
Gold Member
Giallo Corsa
Gold Member
From Gamespot's review:
So much of Shadows' issues come from Yasuke's inclusion. Not because he's a badly written character or because he doesn't feel like he belongs, but because much of what makes an Assassin's Creed game an Assassin's Creed is stripped away to make his samurai fantasy work. Naoe's shinobi fantasy works far better, effortlessly sliding into the gameplay loop of hunting down mysterious targets, puzzling through the best way to reach them, cutting them down, and disappearing without a trace.
I applaud the guy for actually having the balls to even mention anything related the whole Yasuke thing.
Apparently , he's still the proverbial elephant in the room even though it has nothing to do with his skin color or historical inaccuracies, Ubisoft just had to insert him into the game for their internet cookie points.
It'd have been the exact same thing if they introduced a 2m tall blonde burly Scandinavian - gameplay-wise it'd still have been a misfire but, in all their progressive and preachy wisdom they just had to bet on black for all the usual Ubisoft reasons.
Self inflicted wound
MMaRsu
Member
different doesnt make it better
viveks86
Member
More of the latter. Seems to be one of the complaints as they aren’t able to get too deep into each of their stories through majority of the game as a result. The remaining 10% would be like Alan wake 2, I reckon
Topher
Identifies as young
From Gamespot's review:
So much of Shadows' issues come from Yasuke's inclusion. Not because he's a badly written character or because he doesn't feel like he belongs, but because much of what makes an Assassin's Creed game an Assassin's Creed is stripped away to make his samurai fantasy work. Naoe's shinobi fantasy works far better, effortlessly sliding into the gameplay loop of hunting down mysterious targets, puzzling through the best way to reach them, cutting them down, and disappearing without a trace.
It is as if they didn't play Origins, Odyssey or Valhalla.
MMaRsu
Member
It's amazing that people take scores as a trustworthy metric. We know how these things work. Jim Sterling, of all people, called it out over a decade ago.
Sorry I think you mean Stephanie Sterling
TheInfamousKira
Reseterror Resettler
No, there was none. Not in any pronounced or organized way. Keep in mind the changing political, legal, and social evolutions since and between those periods, though. Without veering into blatant political talk, I'll just point to the timing of when this title was first conceptualized and decisions like the main character were nailed down, and the surrounding social topics. It's neither absurd nor radical to assert that a company who's relationship to the consumer is paramount would have a foot in the door on keeping track of the pulse of social media and mainstream media in general, and then acting on those trends.
On it's face, a story about Yasuke is interesting because it depicts in classical story telling sense the fish out of water trope. It's a man the player is supposed to embody that is actively learning about and integrating into the world around him at the same time as the player. It's a genius, and frequently used plot setup.
Two things can be true, and noticing a pattern doesn't make you a bigot. Most of the time the people who don't want you talking about a topic are the ones invested in it in poor faith.
I don't really have a horse in the race, beyond thinking it's funny and an interesting discussion piece. I've played through every AC game to the point of Valhalla, platinuming Odyssey. So in that regard at least, I'm not a shitposting tourist. I probably won't buy Shadows. At least not for years. Pragmatically, the reason is I haven't completed Valhalla or Mirage. The motivation to get going on it isn't really building, though.
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kruis
Exposing the sinister cartel of retailers who allow companies to pay for advertising space.
Kassandra had excellent voice acting and was fun to play. The only thing I'd have changed was the quest where she participated in the original Athenian Olympics which didn't make a lick of sense since only males were allowed to participate in ancient days.
LectureMaster
Gold Member
They did dumb down the "assassin" aspect way too much with those three games. I am curious to see how much they bring back to table with Naoe for the stealth gameplay.It is as if they didn't play Origins, Odyssey or Valhalla.
Black_Mamba
Member
Let's pretend that there's not a mountain of extremist ideology behind the creation of that character and no reviewer has ever written anything critical to the main character of Days Gone being a white male (in rural America, not as a samurai in feudal Japan).
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
Funny you say this because after playing RDR2, I started Odyssey and riding a horse in that game was like driving a car
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Topher
Identifies as young
That was a common complaint. Here you've got a choice to play either way. So, for me, this isn't a negative. I plan to play as both and if the game is good then they will both be fun to play.
Topher
Identifies as young
Sorry I think you mean Stephanie Sterling
LectureMaster
Gold Member
Would've been better to stick with a single character with different gameplay specializations. The reviews mentioned the story binding between the duo isn't stellar. Maybe you can let me know when you have your hands on, I am still on fence.
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
well good then. It needed a break from the tailing mission.From Gamespot's review:
So much of Shadows' issues come from Yasuke's inclusion. Not because he's a badly written character or because he doesn't feel like he belongs, but because much of what makes an Assassin's Creed game an Assassin's Creed is stripped away to make his samurai fantasy work. Naoe's shinobi fantasy works far better, effortlessly sliding into the gameplay loop of hunting down mysterious targets, puzzling through the best way to reach them, cutting them down, and disappearing without a trace.
The only thing I am worried about is .... who to paly with? Whose story is this ?!
Topher
Identifies as young
Well......the last duo they had was in Syndicate and there really wasn't that great of a bind in story between them and they were brother/sister. They were largely interchangeable in most missions except for those horrible historical character ones. I like that we at least have drastically different play styles between them here. Hoefully it will work well.
LectureMaster
Gold Member
If the game let you play one character for over 90% contents without missing out much, I guess the story is less about either of the two characters, they probably just have the same goal in the end.
That's exactly why the duo characters in Syndicate didn't do anything to me at all. If they do it, it should be more than just a swap of character's appearance and voice. Even Alexios and Kassandra were better implementation.
But don't wanna rain the old man's parade, let me know if you are having fun.
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MMaRsu
Member
I absolutely do not understand how anyone at Ubisoft played Origins or Odyssey, rode a horse in those games and thought this is fine, we'll ship it like this
They control like weird bumper cars or some shit
Going back to Odyssey after playing RDR2 is like playing a game that feels like it was made 2 gens ago
T4keD0wN
Member
Ubisofts, so i wouldnt bother paying too much attention to this aspect.
Mister Apoc
Demigod of Troll Threads
i worry that the mediocre reviews for this game is going to make Rockstar hesitant with GTA VI, and the declining popularity of open world gaming, do you think that will be a concern?
Bumblebeetuna
Member
This. If you want a grifter review, there’s no shortage of them on YT.