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Like I have said since September, Sony was going to overplay their hand. They should have just accepted the ten year deal and moved on. Oh well.

 

[Punished Miku]

Just a coincidence.

Just a coincidence the main opposition to MS was in the UK. Home of Jim Ryan. Maybe that is exactly why MS decided to start using this type of pushback?

 

[jm89]

Acquiring two of gamings largest publishers sounds like he’s too good at his job.

2 acquisitons that where made because the other studios where floundering under his management and doing fuck all.

 

[Varteras]

Sony greed more like it.

 

[Klayzer]

Just a coincidence the main opposition to MS was in the UK. Home of Jim Ryan. Maybe that is exactly why MS decided to start using this type of pushback?

Yeah, totally the same/s

 

[GHG]

I dont have any idea what happens from this. Probably nothing. But I do think Sony twisted the truth of the console market to mislead CMA with this convenient high end console category. This is just applying Sony's definition to Japan. 100% fair.

You are horribly misinformed.

The above is from page 40 of the CMA's phase 1 assessment back in October last year which was one of the first public documents we got on this subject. It's still on the CMA's website. I'd suggest actually reading all 76 pages if you want to start making claims about this subject.

 

[Punished Miku]

Yeah, totally the same/s

How is it different?

 

[Killer8]

Just a coincidence the main opposition to MS was in the UK. Home of Jim Ryan. Maybe that is exactly why MS decided to start using this type of pushback?

There's a pretty big difference between where a company is headquartered and where a company's CEO popped out of the womb lmfao.

 

[Punished Miku]

There's a pretty big difference between where a company is headquartered and where a company's CEO popped out of the womb lmfao.

Thats where he worked his whole career. Thats where his contacts and influence are.

 

[IFireflyl]

Where Sony fanboys jump on anyone with an alternative thought ? Probably not what you are looking for.

The fact that you're allowed to voice your opinion gives credence to my post. Maybe you should have contemplated what I said before firing off a stupid quip.

 

[Snake29]

If Sony hadn't started crying, none of this would have been necessary. Sony's behavior makes it impossible for me to feel even the tiniest bit of respect towards them.

The “we blame Sony for all our failures”, started before this acquisition talk. Sony isn’t crying. You really think Sony would let MS just buying themselves into the market? People like you talk with GP glasses, because everything needs to be on that rental service, otherwise “we blame Sony for it”.

 

[jm89]

Just a coincidence the main opposition to MS was in the UK. Home of Jim Ryan. Maybe that is exactly why MS decided to start using this type of pushback?

Main opposition is in the UK? Do you you know what the FTC is doing? Or are you purposely being dense?

 

[Klayzer]

You are horribly misinformed.

The above is from page 40 of the CMA's phase 1 assessment back in October last year which was one of the first public documents we got on this subject. It's still on the CMA's website. I'd suggest actually reading all 76 pages if you want to start making claims about this subject.

There's a pretty big difference between where a company is headquartered and where a company's CEO popped out of the womb lmfao.

But he will tell you those politicians, just want a level playing field for Microsoft. Lol

 

[C2brixx]

Yeah it's far worse

How so? Exclusivity deals are anti-competitive in nature. You give a 3rd party publisher some (bribe) money to explicitly withhold content from a competitor. Its slimy whether Microsoft or Sony does it.
Purchasing a developer/publisher in whole is just a tradition business transaction. You are taking on more employees and debt with no guarantees that future content will be successful under your stewardship.

 

[AtomicStarving]

Microsoft doing the same fucking shit. Also, getting lots of games, big and small, to Gamepass, WORLDWIDE? lol

 

[Spyxos]

I don't understand anything anymore. It reads like an April Fool's joke.

 

[Punished Miku]

Main opposition is in the UK? Do you you know what the FTC is doing? Or are you purposely being dense?

I'm discussing the CMA, and the possibility that Sony has very strong influence there due to who is running Playstation now. I'm aware the FTC is a different thing.

Point being, its as valid as pointing out congressman are from Washington.

 

[Klayzer]

Microsoft doing the same fucking shit. Also, getting lots of games, big and small, to Gamepass, WORLDWIDE? lol

Well, that's different because... Actually its not different at all.

 

[GHG]

Thats where he worked his whole career. Thats where his contacts and influence are.

Indeed:

In 2011, he was appointed President of SIEE with responsibility for leading the PlayStation® business in more than 100 territories across Europe, the Middle East, Africa and Oceania.

https://www.sie.com/en/corporate/release/2019/190212.html

I was hired in 1994, the year before the launch of the first PlayStation. And my assignment was to set-up the PlayStation companies in Continental Europe. So we had maybe 20 people in this building in London focused on the UK, but we had absolutely nothing in Europe. So my task was to go out, find offices, hire people, put systems and processes in place, get sales forces, organise distribution... It started with Germany, and then it was France, Italy, Spain, Switzerland, Austria, Scandinavia... it was a really tasking and challenging, but ultimately fulfilling couple of years.

https://www.gamesindustry.biz/jim-r...ere-hundreds-of-millions-will-enjoy-our-games

The guy literally set up their presence across Europe (and then later other areas across EMEA) and you want to say he just worked in the UK and that's his area of influence?

 

[Snake29]

Ask MS why they have 2 years exclusive for ARK 2?

 

[Captain Toad]

This isn't about what Microsoft failed to do. This is about Sony's anti-competitive practices that appears to violate trade laws.

Oh, do go on. Explain.

 

[gothmog]

Lol. 11 members of the House. Get back to me when you get some Senators interested.

 

[Klayzer]

Indeed:



https://www.sie.com/en/corporate/release/2019/190212.html



https://www.gamesindustry.biz/jim-r...ere-hundreds-of-millions-will-enjoy-our-games

The guy literally set up their presence across Europe (and then later other areas across EMEA) and you want to say he just worked in the UK and that's his area of influence?

Got em.

 

[Snake29]

Oh, do go on. Explain.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

people act like sony is some benevolent force in the industry. the only reason sony didn't bid on ABK is because they can't afford it.

That's not true.

Sony is a larger company than Activision, to the tune of $40B. They could secure financing to acquire Activision if they wanted to. Mergers and Acquisitions on that scale happen all the time.

The reason Sony didn't bid on ABK is because they aren't desperate and didn't need to, as it's a pretty large waste of money for a company they already receive the primary benefits from through third party sales. Capital could be better deployed elsewhere.

 

[Punished Miku]

Indeed:



https://www.sie.com/en/corporate/release/2019/190212.html



https://www.gamesindustry.biz/jim-r...ere-hundreds-of-millions-will-enjoy-our-games

The guy literally set up their presence across Europe (and then later other areas across EMEA) and you want to say he just worked in the UK and that's his area of influence?

Are you implying MS only operates in Washington state?

Its just pointless to argue about it with you. You disagree. I get it.

 

[Lasha]

Yeah it's far worse

Buying a company means you assume all risks and challenges of the firm. You can't just pay some money for exclusivity then eat your 30% revenue share risk free. The two are not comparable.

 

[Brigandier]

 

[Varteras]

 

[jm89]

I'm discussing the CMA, and the possibility that Sony has very strong influence there due to who is running Playstation now. I'm aware the FTC is a different thing.

Point being, its as valid as pointing out congressman are from Washington.

Point is the main opposition(CMA maybe strongest as it could kill it) isn't actually from the CMA, as a matter of fact CMA have given ms oppurtiny to prove to them why this should go through . FTC is actually the one who shown the main opposition by outright wanting to block it.

It really isn't as valid as pointing
as there is financial incentive from microsoft.

 

[GHG]

Are you implying MS only operates in Washington state?

Its just pointless to argue about it with you. You disagree. I get it.

No, I'm simply correcting your assertions, none of which have any factual basis. I've said nothing about Washington or Microsoft in any of our exchanges.

So yes, I agree, until you're interested in having a discussion that is grounded in reality instead of fiction derived from emotion it is indeed pointless.

 

[Punished Miku]

So yes, I agree, until you're interested in having a discussion that is grounded in reality instead of fiction derived from emotion it is indeed pointless.

And back to personal attacks. Im out. Just a waste of time.

 

[adamsapple]

Maybe once they've passed their GCSE maths

For a major regulatory body, they made egregious blunders in their recent findings.

 

[TLZ]

What does US Congress have anything to do with the Japanese market?

 

[M16]

the more you fuck around, the more you find out.
sony did it to themselves. this is only the beginning. with the troves of docs they had to give up, i can see ms getting at them at all angles.

 

[GHG]

And back to personal attacks. Im out. Just a waste of time.

Where's the personal attack? That's a perfectly valid response to this:

Its just pointless to argue about it with you. You disagree. I get it.

Are you ok or are you just going to throw a tantrum and the "personal attack" line in my face every time I have to correct you?

 

[spons]

Microsoft doesn't give a shit about Xbox anywhere outside the Anglosphere and don't let them try to convince you otherwise. Dashboards riddled with typos and grammar errors, local payment problems, Live not being supported in many, many countries. Their failure to succeed is to blame on them and them alone.

 

[Klayzer]

What does US Congress have anything to do with the Japanese market?

Bribe money. What else is there.

 

[Baki]

Always nice to remember that Politicians do the bidding of companies in the US.

 

[adamsapple]

The most incredible thing is that this has bi-partisan support.

Hoeg's video on this is gonna be interesting.

 

[Baki]

What does US Congress have anything to do with the Japanese market?

That’s where MS lobby money has influence. They want to remind Sony to stay in their place.

 

[Luigi Mario]

Microsoft doesn't give a shit about Xbox anywhere outside the Anglosphere and don't let them try to convince you otherwise. Dashboards riddled with typos and grammar errors, local payment problems, Live not being supported in many, many countries. Their failure to succeed is to blame on them and them alone.

Was this about the Dutch language support being embarrassingly lacklustre?

 

[Yoboman]

I dont have any idea what happens from this. Probably nothing. But I do think Sony twisted the truth of the console market to mislead CMA with this convenient high end console category. This is just applying Sony's definition to Japan. 100% fair.

Dude you are all over the place, firstly get it right that is the FTC definition not the CMA. Secondly, the definition has nothing to do with Sony. Unless you can point out where Sony defined it for them:

Maybe stick to Twitter conspiracy bubbles

 

[Murdok]

They're right, the Xbox sells next to nothing in Japan, and Sony still removes major Japanese cross-platform games from the console through exclusivity deals. It's not just a sneaky attempt to stay in power, but preventing Ms from being a threat to Ita.

 

[ReBurn]

For a major regulatory body, they made egregious blunders in their recent findings.

The funniest part to me is how people were praising them for being so smart and in tune with the gaming industry until they fixed the math, then it was much like this thread with complaining about them being bribed.

 

[Topher]

Just out of interest, what would you say if the contracts were openly leaked and discussed and it turned out that Sony were paying to cut content from xbox in Japan and were ultimately "impeding" their growth opportunities?

I'd say Japan should look into it and apply their laws. What would you say if it turned out those in Congress were just making a big about standard practice that happens on both sides?

I don't have a clue.

Exactly

 

[fart town usa]

I wanna see someone call in my man C. Wizzy to testify before those clowns in Congress.

 

[Yoboman]

Buying a company means you assume all risks and challenges of the firm. You can't just pay some money for exclusivity then eat your 30% revenue share risk free. The two are not comparable.

So risky buying the highest revenue publisher with the best selling game franchise of the past two decades

So brave of Microsoft

 

[BlitzerRadic]

Is anybody actually considering the possibility Sony is actually doing this? Not saying it's the most likely outcome but just automatically assuming it's "Microsoft bought Congress and are clearly lobbying to make Sony look bad", like sure that's a definite possibility but blindly agreeing with one side without evidence is just as irresponsible

OK so what is the evidence that Sony is excluding xobx in japan?

 

[Hawking Radiation]

My shit day at work has turned out to be not so bad afterall. This thread is gold