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Atelier Community Thread: Successfully synthesized a Barrel!
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afreaknamedpete
Member
Rather than Ayesha+ or even Ciel no Surge offline they better announce Atelier Shallie! I need my Atelier fix before my PS3 breaks down.
Basileus777
Member
It's not like Escha & Logy had a meaningful time mechanic either. Other than forcing you to waste time every now and then so you could progress the game.
I loved it during my first playthrough, but the second time around really showed me how flawed everything is, i was left with way too much free time, killing monsters and synthesizing wasn't doing anything for me, and finishing the stamp card barely took any time at all so i just ended up sleeping the time away, the time system was so pathetic in Escha that I guess they stopped pretending that time mattered anymore. Arland pls come back
afreaknamedpete
Member
I recently played Rorona Plus and it struck me how stressful the time limit was and how much I missed it. And Rorona Plus had alot less strict time management than regular Rorona (Rorona Minus?).
I still prefer Mana Khemia way, time management is nice and good, but when it goes against thoroughly exploring alchemy, I'd rather do without it.
Then again I still adore Eternal Mana, and see time management as unnecessary thing that replaced things I really liked in series. Not that I don't like them now, but still.
Then again I still adore Eternal Mana, and see time management as unnecessary thing that replaced things I really liked in series. Not that I don't like them now, but still.
https://twitter.com/koeitecmoeurope/status/520508914480459776
Ayesha+ confirmed, with dual audio. I'm surprised they actually got dual audio for the port. So how do most people rate Ayesha?
Ayesha+ confirmed, with dual audio. I'm surprised they actually got dual audio for the port. So how do most people rate Ayesha?
Basileus777
Member
It's my favorite PS3 Atelier game, though opinions on it are oddly divisive.
It is honestly my favourite too. I liked every character outside of Ayesha herself, the soundtrack was great and it had some very good world building. Shame that Escha & Logy never did anything with that world building though, or even expaned on it outside of Awin's story. The final dungeon and final boss had really great atmosphere too.
Spirit Icana
Member
It was a great game. I loved the atmosphere, the music, the areas, and even some boss fights. Downsides: Some dialogue was poorly written. And I was a tad disappointed with the English dub, namely with the one who talked the most, Ayesha, so I'm curious to put dual audio to work, even though I'm not a fan of Japanese voice over with English text in video games where you push a button to advance the text.
I can't follow the voice at all unless it's a very short sentence. Either that or I'll finish reading the sentence and waiting for the voice to catch up. It feels awkward.
Even worse than Escha & Logy? What didn't you like about it, broski?
RurouniZel
Asks questions so Ezalc doesn't have to
If it isn't Meruru ohlawd hates it. >>; I can see where he's coming from, but I like that the Atelier series isn't copy/paste with each installment.
That's one of the better aspects of the series to me too. That being said, Meruru is definitely my favourite after Ayesha. And if we're looking purely at gameplay/fun factor, it would definitely be my favourite. It's a ton of fun, but the cast and some of the story elements really drags it down. Namely
everything related to Rorona before the Plus version came out.
i got this
Reasons why Ayesha sux:
alchemy system sux, characters suck, weapon system sux, Ayesha sux, no Meruru
Dusk Trilogy from best to worst. Ayesha >>>> Escha/Logy >>> Shallie.
Ayesha had great ost, somewhat adequate story, lovable characters and relatively good dungeon layouts.
Escha/Logy had subpar ost (only liked maybe 5 or 6 songs overall), the story was nothing special and did nothing to expand on the universe. Characters were so-so and dungeon layouts were worse than Ayesha. At least it added a bunch of interesting gameplay elements.
And Shallie is even worse. The ost is on par with E/L, the stories of both characters are boring as hell, no time restraints was actually a bad idea cause you'll need to do a ton of dumb uninteresting quests to advance through the story (quest management system is also a chore for the most part), bland characters and dungeon designs (for the most part). And most importantly
All games have great character designs (Hidari <3) and alchemy system that gets progressively complicated with each entry (Ayesha was pretty good, E/L nailed it and Shallie added nothing of importance iirc - didn't get what elemental chains do tho.)
Ayesha had great ost, somewhat adequate story, lovable characters and relatively good dungeon layouts.
Escha/Logy had subpar ost (only liked maybe 5 or 6 songs overall), the story was nothing special and did nothing to expand on the universe. Characters were so-so and dungeon layouts were worse than Ayesha. At least it added a bunch of interesting gameplay elements.
And Shallie is even worse. The ost is on par with E/L, the stories of both characters are boring as hell, no time restraints was actually a bad idea cause you'll need to do a ton of dumb uninteresting quests to advance through the story (quest management system is also a chore for the most part), bland characters and dungeon designs (for the most part). And most importantly
no adequate conclusion to the trilogy, it just ends... that's it.
All games have great character designs (Hidari <3) and alchemy system that gets progressively complicated with each entry (Ayesha was pretty good, E/L nailed it and Shallie added nothing of importance iirc - didn't get what elemental chains do tho.)
heeeeey that ain't true. I like Ayesha even if it's the worst <_<
The alchemy system really blows. And that's enough for me to bump it down low. And it didn't have much content (I remember feeling like that when I plat it) and yeah Meruru was the last game before it and that game did a lot of things right. So to go from that perfection to... Ayesha, well, you're left with a disappointed ohlawd.
RurouniZel
Asks questions so Ezalc doesn't have to
I can see where you're coming from, but I also like some of the changes to Alchemy the Dusk series has brought. Much easier to work with traits now that they're not randomized.
I.... I liked how the traits were random. Should I feel bad? lols
Good news is that EL brought some good changes to Ayesha's alchemy so I like it again. And when I follow what belforrrr said, Shallie's alchemy is the same as EL's so that's good for me.
RurouniZel
Asks questions so Ezalc doesn't have to
Not wrong. Just a different preference.
I also really prefer the changes to the ending structure. No more 15 save-file playthroughs. XD
Spirit Icana
Member
Eh, maybe to some degree you can say its similar or inspired from EL, but I wouldn't agree with it being the same or featuring nothing new that's noteworthy. Right away, you're going to notice your Alchemy Lvl will restrict you from using certain materials or a certain combination of materials. That will, in turn, make it much harder to max out bombs, equipment, and heal items early on until you level up your Alchemy lvl.
Since there is no time limit, you can spend all day just leveling up your Alchemy lvl, but it'll take you forever.
There's also the fact that the order of your materials you use before synthesis will play a role in what skills you can use, etc.
I'm not good with explaining game systems so I'm going to copy and paste this post from themasterllworks from Gamefaqs:
themasterllworks said:
As of that post this guy hadn't even unlocked elemental chaining yet, which is necessary for building your item quality to the max level, which is 999. A high item quality level will affect an items basic parameters or something.
Building a good chain is very fun and satisfying, imo.
Even on the hardest difficulty you get from the start, the game is pretty easy, so most of cool stuff is best for bonus bosses and/or the difficulty level you unlock after you beat the game once (I haven't played this mode yet).
Since the story isn't all that hard to get through, you can probably throw anything into the cauldron, poop out an item, and get through the game okay. Well, actually, you might need to put in a little more effort than that, but the point is the story battles is a bit too easy, even on hard mode.
But I think the alchemy is awesome. I'm curious how more people will feel about it.
I also disagree with belforr on the music. I really like the soundtrack.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCRusG5U52Q&list=PLPlmCTWRwHHff2DFbU2LVGWYGGg8cQgJb&index=17
Beautiful.
And if anyone doesn't mind spoilers, here's a vid of MasterLL fighting a tough optional boss:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkpRrIrWwKs
Awesome music! Awesome fight!
if you are talking about a boss I think you are talking, that would be cruel (><)
now that I think about it, there are two strong bosses; the honeycomb one and the 2nd DLC one.
that'd be great. make them both mandatory in that you can't finish the game without defeating them first.
SoldnerKei
Member
aww shit, all these ports with dem goodies, Ayesha with dual audio sounds like the version I will play, now I need a Vita >.>
redhairedking
Junior Member
I may have to import this
http://www.gamecity.ne.jp/atelier-quest/
Atelier Quest Board is out, i'm having problems getting it but hopefully nobody else does
Atelier Quest Board is out, i'm having problems getting it but hopefully nobody else does
nice art at the bottom with Rorona and Cory
Is it some sort of Mario Party-like game? I'd play that with AtelierGAF if it were ever localized (lol).
Really weird announcement of Atelier Shallie's localisation. Guess KTE realised it would have been weird to sell merch for the game without announcing it.
2015? That's it? That's like announcing: it will come, eventually.
Basileus777
Member
Well good news. Though it's a bizarre way to hear it. Someone should make a thread.
redhairedking
Junior Member
I mean, did anyone expect Shallie not to come?
Does anyone expect any Atelier game not to be localised? It's more likely that the Atelier series dies than the localisations stop happening.
With KT it's in a somewhat more questionable position than ever before, but it seems like it only MILDLY impacts localization chances. Most likely the biggest real differences are that we didn't see physical Vita versions (I think NISA would PROBABLY have bothered) and that we missed LEs compared to before, and that one may well change given Ar Nosurge.
redhairedking
Junior Member
The LEs I can live without but the lack of physical Vita version really bugs me.
Stardust_Comet
Neo Member
Maybe they mean that they're confirming that it will come out next year as opposed to any other year?
redhairedking
Junior Member
Based on the previous release dates it's looking like we'll get this roughly 9 months after the Japanese release, so probably Spring 2015.
redhairedking
Junior Member
Rorona confirmed for 3DS
http://www.siliconera.com/2014/11/05/atelier-rorona-announced-nintendo-3ds/
http://www.siliconera.com/2014/11/05/atelier-rorona-announced-nintendo-3ds/
redhairedking
Junior Member
I've been looking for an excuse to buy a JPN 3DS for imports and this might just be it.
we don't know, the grid during the battle system implies that's changed at the very least
so, it's like Atelier Annie in some way? I liked that game a whole lot
redhairedking
Junior Member
Based on what little we've seen so far it might be