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[TarpitCarnivore]

Not to circle back to ththe NXT talk, sorry super busy at work today, is it worth discussing that NXT can be part of the problem with regards to how much they build wrestlers? It seems rather than treating it like a juniors division they take in well known people. Which then leads the call ups where they're immediately thrusted into bigger story lines. It feels like part of the issue with the lot is they reach a certain ceiling then come into a main event scene already at elevated levels. since fans already know their story there isn't a whole lot of build back up. It's just a call up and OMG ITS THAT PERSON.

Or perhaps they're bringing up too many people at once and that causes this jam. Shit look at Finn. Went from a universal champ to losing a battle royal on an opening match.

 

[Bronx-Man]

🤔

Tide goes in, tide goes out. You can't explain that.

 

[Sweeney Tom]

If Cena and Roman were using insider terminology did the WWE just descend into Russo era writing again?

They've had how many pole and shark cage matches this year? Plus the 11 Raw women's title changes in 1.5 years? We're long past descension

 

[Kurita]

technically speaking if cena keeps up the shooting stuff to the point where it's a regular thing for his feuds isn't it going to be less shoot and more just a gimmick

Good night Hulkamaniacs and jabronie marks who c...

 

[slightconfuse]

The lapsed politicial ads have me in tears

 

[Bronx-Man]

They've had how many pole and shark cage matches this year? Plus the 11 Raw women's title changes in 1.5 years? We're long past descension

 

[Kurita]

Not to circle back to ththe NXT talk, sorry super busy at work today, is it worth discussing that NXT can be part of the problem with regards to how much they build wrestlers? It seems rather than treating it like a juniors division they take in well known people. Which then leads the call ups where they're immediately thrusted into bigger story lines. It feels like part of the issue with the lot is they reach a certain ceiling then come into a main event scene already at elevated levels. since fans already know their story there isn't a whole lot of build back up. It's just a call up and OMG ITS THAT PERSON.

Or perhaps they're bringing up too many people at once and that causes this jam. Shit look at Finn. Went from a universal champ to losing a battle royal on an opening match.

I think they should have more transitional storylines from NXT to WWE. Just having the dudes show up one time as NXT performers like the Cena US open challenge is a good thing.

 

[BewareTheBatsie]

Good night Hulkamaniacs and jabronie marks who c...

am i being worked????!!!

 

[Foggy]

Not to circle back to ththe NXT talk, sorry super busy at work today, is it worth discussing that NXT can be part of the problem with regards to how much they build wrestlers? It seems rather than treating it like a juniors division they take in well known people. Which then leads the call ups where they're immediately thrusted into bigger story lines. It feels like part of the issue with the lot is they reach a certain ceiling then come into a main event scene already at elevated levels. since fans already know their story there isn't a whole lot of build back up. It's just a call up and OMG ITS THAT PERSON.

Or perhaps they're bringing up too many people at once and that causes this jam. Shit look at Finn. Went from a universal champ to losing a battle royal on an opening match.

This might hold water if so many people were asking "man, I wonder why X just isn't getting over with the crowd?". You'd have to make a compelling argument as to how the booking ISN'T completely killing them.

I think there is definitely truth to that line of questioning, but it seems like such a negligible issue compared to everything else that's poisoning the water.

 

[BewareTheBatsie]

can't believe there's gonna be a ziggler repackaging promo tonight

 

[Egg0]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDXe9d6tQxI

Fun little facebook Q&A with Kevin Owens where he wishes he could beat someone with a DDT like Alexa Bliss does.

 

[BewareTheBatsie]

Xavier has a MCL Sprain, so he shouldn't be out too long or even out at all.

 

[Foggy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDXe9d6tQxI

Fun little facebook Q&A with Kevin Owens where he wishes he could beat someone with a DDT like Alexa Bliss does.

LOL, I'd probably give her finisher more shit if Bayley's finisher didn't exist

 

[Bronx-Man]

It's ridiculous how much slimmer Owens looks when he has that shirt on

 

[Hasney]

A lot of shit over the last 6 months or so has felt like Russo garbage.

http://wrestling-edge.com/vince-russo-recently-touch-wwe-possible-return/

🤔

 

[TarpitCarnivore]

This might hold water if so many people were asking "man, I wonder why X just isn't getting over with the crowd?". You'd have to make a compelling argument as to how the booking ISN'T completely killing them.

I think there is definitely truth to that line of questioning, but it seems like such a negligible issue compared to everything else that's poisoning the water.

I wasn't trying to say it as a compare of one vs another just broadly with NXT as a whole. I feel like Sami came in hot then looked awful in that's braun story and is sort of rebuilding back. Neville took a while too. AA has basically been neutered and no one is buying Jordan it seems. Just throwing names out there as people who came up from NXT that fans got hot for.

 

[Pikma]

We're still talking about it so dat means it got ovah, bro i swear ta gawd

The logic behind this is the same as "HEEEEAAAAT"

 

[Foggy]

I wasn't trying to say it as a compare of one vs another just broadly with NXT as a whole. I feel like Sami came in hot then looked awful in that's braun story and is sort of rebuilding back. Neville took a while too. AA has basically been neutered and no one is buying Jordan it seems. Just throwing names out there as people who came up from NXT that fans got hot for.

I think Sami was booked and treated pretty well out of the gate but I don't know if a steadier build would've insulated him from where he is now. I do think Neville could've benefited from a more deliberate build, same as American Alpha but I think AA was always a question mark.

 

[Hex]

So, uh, Natalya has new merch:

This stupid meme picture was all over my Facebook and twitter last week (not in shirt form)
I am shocked

 

[HashtagLapsed]

Here is a problem with NXT.

They have stories like Zayn vs Neville where people are invested in and understand the characters. Zayn has the chance to cheat to win and doesnt and works to beat Neville clean. Everyone is happy.

DIY vs The Revival and the story told in that. Everyone watched it and knows what I am talking about.

Bayley's story being a a nice person and massive wrestling fan working hard to get better then facing a great heel Sasha. Most people really enjoyed the story.

NXT has a lot of stories like this.

On RAW last night one of the bigger NXT stars they built up in Finn, did the job in a Battle Royale to someone who wasnt even in the match after the non-competitor used magic to turn off the electricity in the arena then magically teleport into and out of the ring.

Sasha was told she sucks at title defenses and always loses. Then immediately jobs on the same fucking show in a title defence.

Bayley this is your life. Creepy hugging Graves bla bla bla.

 

[Hex]

Here is a problem with NXT.

They have stories like Zayn vs Neville where people are invested in and understand the characters. Zayn has the chance to cheat to win and doesnt and works to beat Neville clean. Everyone is happy.

DIY vs The Revival and the story told in that. Everyone watched it and knows what I am talking about.

Bayley's story being a a nice person and massive wrestling fan working hard to get better then facing a great heel Sasha. Most people really enjoyed the story.

NXT has a lot of stories like this.

On RAW last night one of the bigger NXT stars they built up in Finn, did the job in a Battle Royale to someone who wasnt even in the match after the non-competitor used magic to turn off the electricity in the arena then magically teleport into and out of the ring.

Sasha was told she sucks at title defenses and always loses. Then immediately jobs on the same fucking show in a title defence.

Bayley this is your life. Creepy hugging Graves bla bla bla.

Don't worry about Sasha, the day she gets the belt again she will be all up with the "FIVE TIME FIVE TIME"

 

[Sweeney Tom]

Xavier has a MCL Sprain, so he shouldn't be out too long or even out at all.

If it's a grade 1 sprain it's 2-6 weeks

Grade 3 is months definitely, regardless of surgery

 

[TarpitCarnivore]

Here is a problem with NXT.

They have stories like Zayn vs Neville where people are invested in and understand the characters. Zayn has the chance to cheat to win and doesnt and works to beat Neville clean. Everyone is happy.

DIY vs The Revival and the story told in that. Everyone watched it and knows what I am talking about.

Bayley's story being a a nice person and massive wrestling fan working hard to get better then facing a great heel Sasha. Most people really enjoyed the story.

NXT has a lot of stories like this.

On RAW last night one of the bigger NXT stars they built up in Finn, did the job in a Battle Royale to someone who wasnt even in the match after the non-competitor used magic to turn off the electricity in the arena then magically teleport into and out of the ring.

Sasha was told she sucks at title defenses and always loses. Then immediately jobs on the same fucking show in a title defence.

Bayley this is your life. Creepy hugging Graves bla bla bla.

The question I'm asking though is the handling of the transition from NXT to WWE bad. Was throwing Finn immediately into universal picture wise? KO built up a bit with US and IC. Nak thrown right into major intro and now champ picture. That kind of stuff.

 

[Sparkedglory]

Oh hey. I forgot the women's tournament started yesterday. I was looking forward to it too. Time to binge watch

 

[Oersted]

Finn barely jobbed. He was surprised, attacked from behind and only thrown out.

And it was stripper Balor, not the facepaint demon.

 

[Hex]

The question I'm asking though is the handling of the transition from NXT to WWE bad. Was throwing Finn immediately into universal picture wise? KO built up a bit with US and IC. Nak thrown right into major intro and now champ picture. That kind of stuff.

I am wondering if you are forgetting that this is scripted?
Finn gets one of the biggest crowd reactions next to Cena, except his is all positive.
I do not know what kind of bizarro world in here it is where people do not think that Finn is just fine.
I imagine you would prefer every main event type match to be a four way?
That is the only way you will be able to get everyone into the picture.
Reigns, Cena,Brock, Strowman, Joe.
Rollins and Ambrose had to be kicked down to tag team just because there is no room.
Yes Wyatt is a joke, but for some reason the company still puts him up there and for now Finn will work it perhaps until Joe is healed.
The reason that Finn did not win the IC contenders match is that he is not set for IC midcard, he will be in the Universal title scene soon enough again.
Him winning the Universal title was great, crowd went nuts, he got injured, it happens.

Finn barely jobbed. He was surprised, attacked from behind and only thrown out.

And it was stripper Balor, not the facepaint demon.

Exactly this, he was owning the ring and had everyone down.
He was made to look strong.

But oh wait "WrassleGaf says he got jobbed and is unpopular"

 

[slightconfuse]

WWE has no long term plans so everything they do is so happy hazard they end up having to work backwards to try an make it logical and good

NXT is always is booked long term so they can work forward and adjust on the fly.

 

[Raw64life]

You have to think of Demon Balor as Finn Balor with a title belt. If he's not the demon, it's like it's a non-title match.

 

[Dark Ninja]

Natalya's cat has more charisma, starpower, and promo skills than her.

 

[Rhaknar]

cracks me up when you call him "stripper Finn"

 

[TarpitCarnivore]

I never said Finn jobbed. And I'm not saying we need four ways to get everyone in. Im simply asking if the transitions could be handled better. That's it.

 

[BewareTheBatsie]

watching upupdowndown's livestream and becky is delightfully goofy

 

[HashtagLapsed]

Finn barely jobbed. He was surprised, attacked from behind and only thrown out.

And it was stripper Balor, not the facepaint demon.

He was distracted by Bray's magical powers of controlling electricity and and teleportation.

There is a reason so many people find the product to be unengaging.

 

[Sweeney Tom]

Nick Jackson responding to a question of if the Bucks would ever go back to GFW: "Vince McMahon's theme song has lyrics to this answer."

 

[Arrowgigantic]

Nick Jackson responding to a question of if the Bucks would ever go back to GFW: "Vince McMahon's theme song has lyrics to this answer."

"It's just a matter of time"

OWNED, YANGU BUCKSU

 

[serenewarfare]

Matches for SD tonight per PWI:

Spoiler

Nakamura and Orton vs. Mahal and Rusev

Usos vs. New Day

AJ Styles Open Challenge

 

[Oersted]

watching upupdowndown's livestream and becky is delightfully goofy

She has "teatime" backstage segments, which are buried on Insta. She clearly has comedic chops. Underused like Rusev.

He was distracted by Bray's magical powers of controlling electricity and and teleportation.

There is a reason so many people find the product to be unengaging.

You named two out of 3 Bray moves which are still protected.

And it still only got Chippendale Finn tossed out

 

[wonzo]

What the fuck did they do to Emma's music!?

Get out Emma! Run away!

Edit: Bonus points to Cole and Lawler taking shots at her.

what the fuck is this

 

[Pikma]

Matches for SD tonight per PWI:

Spoiler

Nakamura and Orton vs. Mahal and Rusev

Usos vs. New Day

AJ Styles Open Challenge

Booooooring

 

[BewareTheBatsie]

lmao becky played cow number 2 in her first year acting play at college and she's too salty

 

[Spirit of Jazz]

What the fuck did they do to Emma's music!?

Get out Emma! Run away!

Edit: Bonus points to Cole and Lawler taking shots at her.

The commentary team taking shots was some of the stupidest shit on last nights show. Trying to rewrite history of the woman's revolution when Emma and Paige started it whilst promoting Steph as some kind of figurehead when her only contribution is putting herself over talent is really fucking annoying.

 

[wonzo]

thanks guys. unfortunately my girlfriend's dad passed away around 6 this morning. at least he's not in pain anymore.

my condolences seph

 

[rrc1594]

Booooooring

I look forward to the Open Challenge

 

[Sweeney Tom]

I liked CFO$ immediately getting on Twitter today essentially to say "we didn't make that, don't blame us for Emma's theme"

 

[excelsiorlef]

excelsiorlef, how old are you and when did you start watching wrestling?

If you don't mind saying.

32 and 1992

 

[Zach]

32 and 1992

Have you had any extended and healthful breaks from wrestling since 1992?

 

[BewareTheBatsie]

huh so aiden english and becky met years before she returned to wrestling in acting college

 

[Hex]

Matches for SD tonight per PWI:

Spoiler

Nakamura and Orton vs. Mahal and Rusev

Usos vs. New Day

AJ Styles Open Challenge

I hate to say it but I almost wish that

Spoiler

Orton would turn on Nakamura. Orton sucks but face Orton is the worst of all

 

[excelsiorlef]

Have you had any extended and healthful breaks from wrestling since 1992?

Mid 90s to 1998. 2005ish to 2009ish. 2012 to 2015ish.

 

[RBH]

What the fuck did they do to Emma's music!?

Get out Emma! Run away!

Edit: Bonus points to Cole and Lawler taking shots at her.

Fuck this shit