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[wonzo]

Yeah. Stand up for poor little Monsanto.

Monsanto had nothing to do with the defence case.

e:

Here's a good ABC article on the ridiculous zero-tolerance organic certifications which were at the heart of this colossal waste of time.

 

[Jintor]

"The Liberal Party, which released its education policy two weeks ago, promised to cut back funds to universities and, at the same time, leave the universities to charge whatever fee they wished... Such a policy is suicidal for student welfare. We will have no effective voice in our own fortune."

- Joe Hockey, Honi Soit, 1987

 

[Shaneus]

Where'd you source that from? I'd love to link to it on Twitter etc.

 

[Jintor]

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...g-against-university-fees-20140528-394jn.html

Fair cop that a fella can change their mind, but it's not a great look, eh?

 

[Dryk]

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...g-against-university-fees-20140528-394jn.html

Fair cop that a fella can change their mind, but it's not a great look, eh?

He's allowed to change his mind, but justifying it with a catchphrase is the bad look

 

[Shaneus]

Cheers, put on FB already. Glorious!

 

[lexi]

Just another asshole who betrays the progressive movement when they strike it rich. Put him up against the wall.

 

[Yagharek]

Just another asshole who betrays the progressive movement when they strike it rich. Put him up against the wall.

Delving a little too close to a certain Pink Floyd song there lexi.

 

[lexi]

Delving a little too close to a certain Pink Floyd song there lexi.

It was intentional, <3 Pink Floyd.

 

[Jintor]

So, uh, the office of the Australian Information Commissioner has been quietly abolished without any consultation of the Ombudsman to whom their duties have fallen to.

 

[Dryk]

"So uh, we're giving you a new set of duties"
"Do I get paid overtime for performing them?"
"No..."

 

[bobnowhere]

It seems the continued destruction of all opposition inside the Liberal Party and in the population in general continues:

Ex ACT Lib senator stripped of award.

It's a shame as Humphries was a very decent man, understood that the public service is not the enemy and not a plaything of incoming governments. There are a hell of a lot of people in this town scared of how they are going to pay their large mortgages, how they are going to find a new job etc...

I saw some economic modelling that was done and public service cuts are going to hit the ACT much harder than then destruction of the car industry will hit SA and Victoria. No sign of any stimulus, no packages, they're just numbers on Sloppies my-first-spreadsheet, not real people.

 

[Jintor]

it's changed back now

 

[Myansie]

Murdoch is promoting eating whales...

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/executive-living/food-drink/my-beef-with-whale-meat/story-e6frg8jo-1226936877760

It`s what Executives do.

 

[hidys]

Does anyone here have any opinion of The Saturday Paper?

 

[Lafiel]

Just another asshole who betrays the progressive movement when they strike it rich. Put him up against the wall.

Eh a person's ideology is free to change with time, I have a friend who used to be a die-hard socialist but converted to a full-on traditional conservative tory later on (he's still anti-capitalism so you could argue his ideology hasn't changed that drastically maybe).

 

[Elaugaufein]

Eh a person's ideology is free to change with time, I have a friend who used to be a die-hard socialist but converted to a full-on traditional conservative tory later on (he's still anti-capitalism so you could argue his ideology hasn't changed that drastically maybe).

Yes. Concur. I grew up in a conservative family and even voted that way initially. Then I started looking into party policy and comparing to my personal principles and jumped over Labor to Greens.

There are anti-capitalism Tories left? I thought that species was extinct before I was born.

 

[Lafiel]

Traditional conservatives who are anti-capitalist like my friend see the free market and globalization and... cultural marxism (any meta-left influence on culture from critical theory in universities is shoved into this label) as contributing to the decay of society and good old christian morality from the good old days but oppose social democracy (maybe not all of this completely) and socialism on the basis that it's authoritarian, naive when it comes to the question of human nature and anti-nationalistic.

Like this clip from a nationalistic party in scotland: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oczj6thd4CY is a good representative of the type of right-wing nationalism that's both anti-capitalist/neoliberal + anti progressive liberalism + socialism.

 

[Elaugaufein]

Traditional conservatives who are anti-capitalist like my friend see the free market and globalization and... cultural marxism (any meta-left influence on culture from critical theory in universities is shoved into this label) as contributing to the decay of society and good old christian morality from the good old days but oppose social democracy (maybe not all of this completely) and socialism on the basis that it's authoritarian, naive when it comes to the question of human nature and anti-nationalistic.

Like this clip from a nationalistic party in scotland: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oczj6thd4CY is a good representative of the type of right-wing nationalism that's both anti-capitalist/neoliberal + anti progressive liberalism + socialism.

Edifying.

 

[A More Normal Bird]

Does anyone here have any opinion of The Saturday Paper?

I find it deeply disturbing. It's printed on weird paper, has crosswords written by Mungo Maccalum and reads more like a condensed imitation than an actual newspaper.

More seriously, it's not bad but it does feel like it suffers from trying to cover everything that a regular weekend paper with ten times the pages (and writers) does. I feel it could leverage it's position to veer from the orthodoxy more and expand debate, even if diversifying the news coverage and analysis means losing the page on gardening or the 500 word interviews with athletes.

 

[bomma_man]

Traditional conservatives who are anti-capitalist like my friend see the free market and globalization and... cultural marxism (any meta-left influence on culture from critical theory in universities is shoved into this label) as contributing to the decay of society and good old christian morality from the good old days but oppose social democracy (maybe not all of this completely) and socialism on the basis that it's authoritarian, naive when it comes to the question of human nature and anti-nationalistic.

Like this clip from a nationalistic party in scotland: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oczj6thd4CY is a good representative of the type of right-wing nationalism that's both anti-capitalist/neoliberal + anti progressive liberalism + socialism.

I find modern day Burkians weird. Does he want to reinstate feudalism or something?

 

[wonzo]

I find it deeply disturbing. It's printed on weird paper, has crosswords written by Mungo Maccalum and reads more like a condensed imitation than an actual newspaper.

More seriously, it's not bad but it does feel like it suffers from trying to cover everything that a regular weekend paper with ten times the pages (and writers) does. I feel it could leverage it's position to veer from the orthodoxy more and expand debate, even if diversifying the news coverage and analysis means losing the page on gardening or the 500 word interviews with athletes.

welp im sold

 

[Salazar]

Does anyone here have any opinion of The Saturday Paper?

Decent.

Article this morning on medicinal cannabis is a good un. The responses from politicians are so predictably gutless. Plibersek is a goon.

 

[Jintor]

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

 

[Ruthless_Barbarian]

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Amazing.

 

[i_am_ben]

The higher University fee proposal has got me very angry.

The funding of TAFE and private colleges for tertiary qualifications will be a ticking time bomb too.

 

[mjontrix]

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Amazing! It's the budget in 2 minutes.

 

[Elaugaufein]

I find modern day Burkians weird. Does he want to reinstate feudalism or something?

The video wants to nationalize industry so its not actually feudalism. It seems like socialism on a national level, mixed with Christian theocracy and a strong sense of national heritage. Which I find kind of confusing given than both Christianity and a large chunk of what they consider British people/heritage are not native to Britain in the historical sense.

 

[viciouskillersquirrel]

The video wants to nationalize industry so its not actually feudalism. It seems like socialism on a national level, mixed with Christian theocracy and a strong sense of national heritage. Which I find kind of confusing given than both Christianity and a large chunk of what they consider British people/heritage are not native to Britain in the historical sense.

Christianity is as native to Britain as Islam is to Egypt, some would argue more so. In fact, Christianity has an even longer history in both Egypt and Britain than Islam has in Egypt and nobody would dispute the notion of Egypt as a Muslim country today.

The definition of "native" just about anywhere is a fluid concept.

 

[Dryk]

Australia's going to go down in history as the country that killed the global carbon trading network. Yay.

STEPHEN MCDONELL: And word has reached here that Australia, one of the early adaptors of carbon trading, looks set to pull out altogether.

GE XING'AN: If Australia grabs that legislation, then the whole system will sink, everything that has been done will be in vain. And the future, the linkage, the whole market of the global - it is going to be jeopardised.

STEPHEN MCDONELL: Really, the entire global market might be jeopardised by Australia pulling out?

GE XING'AN: Of course. Of course. Australia is a very important player in the climate change issues and also the carbon market.

STEPHEN MCDONELL: Beijing and Shanghai have also just opened their exchanges but even the most optimistic observers say it could be more than five years until a China-wide trading system is established.

http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2014/s4016127.htm

 

[edotherocket]

A MESSAGE FROM THE PRIME MINISTER
–
70th ANNIVERSARY OF THE D-DAY LANDINGS
This week the world will commemorate the 70th anniversary of the D-Day landings.

The D-day landings changed the course of human history. As part of the commemoration, I will join seven Australians who were there 70 years ago.
Over 3,000 Australians were involved – including 2,500 air force personnel who provided air support for the Allied landings.

Following the D-day commemorations, I will be travelling to Canada and the United States – and will bejoined by Australian business leaders.

My message to overseas investors is that Australia is open for business.

The Government’s Economic Action Strategy to lower tax, cut red tape and encourage trade will improve the competitiveness of businesses – so that we can build a stronger Australia.

We welcome investment and we are making investment more attractive by scrapping the carbon tax and the mining tax, cutting 50,000 pages of red tape and ending the
“analysis paralysis” on major projects.

Our international partners can see that our Budget is again under control, we are tack
ling debt and deficits and we are serious about building a strong and prosperous economy.

This year Australia hosts the G20 summit to encourage growth around the world
and I will be advancing that cause during this trip.

The United States, Canada and France are long standing friends.

We stood together at D-Day, we trade every day and we have always shared a commitment to democracy, to enterprise and to people’s right to be
free.

1 June
2014

http://media.crikey.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/14-06-01-A-Message-from-the-Prime-Minister-70th-Anniversary-of-the-D-Day-Landings-copy.pdf

Very tactful messaging there, Tone. 0_o

 

[Jintor]

On this 70th anniversary of a lot of people dying I would like to take the opportunity to remind you that it was probably Labor's fault

 

[Dryk]

On this 70th anniversary of a lot of people dying I would like to take the opportunity to remind you that it was probably Labor's fault

Labor were in power during World War II, coincidence?

 

[Jintor]

If you'd like to watch Tone say the words the link is here.

Maybe they'll take it down. Gonna be mirror'd tho

Dumb Ways to Lie

 

[Elaugaufein]

Christianity is as native to Britain as Islam is to Egypt, some would argue more so. In fact, Christianity has an even longer history in both Egypt and Britain than Islam has in Egypt and nobody would dispute the notion of Egypt as a Muslim country today.

The definition of "native" just about anywhere is a fluid concept.

Yes, agree on all points. It's just weird that a platform based partially on appeal to the past and partially on racist dogwhistling (as well as other things but these two are relevant to the point) chooses to emphasize ties to a religion that demonstrably originated elsewhere. Heck the largest Christian denomination is Roman Catholic (which has its power center in the Vatican). It just seems like an issue you would quietly ignore. Admittedly in this case it may present mainly as an "acceptable" justification for the homophobia.

 

[hidys]

Labor were in power during World War II, coincidence?

In America WW2 only lasted less 4 years, in Australia it lasted 6.

YOU CAN'T TRUST LABOR!!!!!

 

[Shaneus]

If you'd like to watch Tone say the words the link is here.

Haven't watched, but lol at the amount of thumbs down vs. thumbs up. Tehehe.
Edit: I downloaded that as well. So in case it does get pulled, I'll put it on Mediafire or something.

 

[senahorse]

Dumb Ways to Lie

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Awesome stuff. The kind of things I would like to see during 2016, unfortunately the voting public will probably (as usual) take 6 years before they vote this clown out.

 

[Jintor]

Turnbull, Abbott and Bolt are having a three way fracas atm. Good times.

"I just have to say to Mr Bolt, he proclaims loudly that he is a friend of the government. Well with friends like Bolt, we don't need any enemies."

 

[Aarglefarg]

"with friends like Bolt"

dun dun dunnnnnn ?

 

[isoquant]

The idea of Turnbull making a move for the leadership is ludicrous: the Libs owe a lot to Tony and they won't be panicking too much just yet over poor poll numbers.

Having said that, the Turnbull comment seemed like a fairly calculating move.

Going to the media and making a statement like that about Bolt guarantees that the #1 news story today is whether Malcolm will challenge.

 

[Shaneus]

Oh, that's amazing. The Libs are becoming more hypocritical as time goes on (admittedly, very rapidly). A leadership challenge is going to give Labor that much more ammunition it won't be funny.

 

[Dastardly Jerks]

How is Murdoch gonna spin this one, you reckon?

 

[hidys]

The idea of Turnbull making a move for the leadership is ludicrous: the Libs owe a lot to Tony and they won't be panicking too much just yet over poor poll numbers.

Having said that, the Turnbull comment seemed like a fairly calculating move.

Going to the media and making a statement like that about Bolt guarantees that the #1 news story today is whether Malcolm will challenge.

One thing I will say to this is that attacking News' leading columnist is not a smart strategy if you wish to lead the Liberal Party. Their endorsement is basically essential for any politically successful Liberal leader.

 

[Aarglefarg]

One thing I will say to this is that attacking News' leading columnist is not a smart strategy if you wish to lead the Liberal Party. Their endorsement is basically essential for any politically successful Liberal leader.

Bolt would probably like the publicity from being the news story. I suspect he won't be selling fewer papers from this.

 

[hidys]

Bolt would probably like the publicity from being the news story. I suspect he won't be selling fewer papers from this.

But he won't endorse Turnbull for it.

 

[wonzo]

But he won't endorse Turnbull for it.

i'm sure turnbulls shaking in his bootstraps over some overblown fringe rightwinger not liking him ;-;

 

[hidys]

i'm sure turnbulls shaking in his bootstraps over some overblown fringe rightwinger not liking him ;-;

If he wants to lead the Liberals than he should. If he has no intention of doing such then he can do what he likes, but this fringe dweller has some power and if he doesn't give Turnbull a good run than he won't lead the party.

 

[roosters93]

I'd be very surprised if Turnbull becomes a serious contender for the leadership again. Being leader ended up as a pretty shitty experience for him. But then again, who knows, it's been a fair while.

 

[hidys]

I'd be very surprised if Turnbull becomes a serious contender for the leadership again. Being leader ended up as a pretty shitty experience for him. But then again, who knows, it's been a fair while.

That's probably true. That and the conservative wing of the Liberals won't touch him and even some supposedly small l's like Christopher Pyne don't much like him either.

Although the fact that he has said nothing about the budget seems... somewhat strategic.