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Autumn Anime 2016 |OT| The seasons change, but we're still Falling for Euri

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Ah yes, the humor in that episode took me in by surprise for a bit. I get where you're coming from but I don't think there's anything wrong with an old man being silly. I get the need to be serious because Rei was under a moral pressure but reality is indifferent to all our troubles. The old man might be about to retire from something he liked but he was ultimately doing it out of his own volition and not because of he had no choice. He realized only later that he could still continue playing after talking to Rei. No matter how silly his reasons were from what he said, there's no denying he liked Shogi.

Well I used the old man to make a point about the tonal whiplash. It's not just the old man. It's present every episode in some shape or form (damned cats talking after we get a scene about Rei's horrible past for instance?), except for episode 10 where they kept that at a bare minimum. For instance, the only "gaggy" scene in this episode was his meeting with the teacher. Them both laughing at how miserable they are felt sarcastic, not hamfisted and it worked, it wasn't even attempting to be funny. Then throughout the whole episode we actually felt tension for the first time. We saw Rei play Shogi, but never like this before. Nothing really about his opponent made him seem more dangerous than the previous ones, but the direction of the scene made it all seem a lot more focused, as if the stakes were much higher than anything prior. The dead silence (no narration telling us about what we were seeing!!!) the long stares and nervous ticks when thinking about their next move, it was all being played out as a beautifully sad and nervous track played in the background, it was a thing of beauty.

The conclusion of it all, the amount of anger coming out of Rei at the end felt genuine, and like a cry for help, something that we also barely see since his struggle is always very quiet, internal and black and white. We got bright orange colours as the sun was setting and his lone figure screamed at the top of his lungs. This episode alone actually made his depression justified, as all of this stress and negativity kept hitting him from everywhere and he just broke out.
 
Puzzles & Dragon Cross Episode 22
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It was the definition of a training episode litrally.

I hope it leads to Ace being able to take on Deus.
 

RedSwirl

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I finished my RahXephon rewatch. I don't think I understand anything more than I did the first time around.

I guess I can accept that it's mainly about the protagonist's social development and that seems to be personified through the mechs and whatnot. I still don't know about the drip-feed of revelations about character relationships, with the full story of who's related to who not even dropped until the last scene of the series. I'll have to look up a wiki for that though because it sounds too convoluted in my head.

What I really don't understand though is what the fuck all the characters' goals were, especially the main antagonists'.
 
Rogue One

Will this be the last time I get tricked into seeing a Star Wars movie because people keep saying its really good? Probably not I'll see you next December. They've made eight of these movies and I think I only like two of them, and then bits and pieces of 6/7/R1
 

ibyea

Banned
Rogue One

Will this be the last time I get tricked into seeing a Star Wars movie because people keep saying its really good? Probably not I'll see you next December. They've made eight of these movies and I think I only like two of them, and then bits and pieces of 6/7/R1

*shrug* I thought it was really good, at the very least it is way better than 7, which felt really really unispiring despite being a competently made movie.
 

Joe Molotov

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Rogue One

Will this be the last time I get tricked into seeing a Star Wars movie because people keep saying its really good? Probably not I'll see you next December. They've made eight of these movies and I think I only like two of them, and then bits and pieces of 6/7/R1

Did you like it when Vader said "Don't *choke* on your ambition"?
 
Did you like it when Vader said "Don't *choke* on your ambition"?

That sucked, I liked how the Vader parts were shot and how he was intimidating though - same with the Death Star - cant say the same for Grand Moff Tarkin or R2-D2 and C3P0 cameo (the fuck was that there for?) which just felt like they were there because "Well A New Hope." I had to restrain myself to not flip off the screen at the last line. Mikkelsen and Donnie Yen are pretty wasted, of course they get Donnie Yen to play mystical blind Asian man

still less masturbatory about the OT then ep7
 

Haly

One day I realized that sadness is just another word for not enough coffee.
What else would you do with an Asian man aside from making him a mystic?
 

Narag

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Ghost in the Shell movie
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This was an interesting movie from start to finish. I'm still not really sure what it was ultimately trying to accomplish, but it appears to be the foundation for a lot of events to follow. The animation was actually pretty nice for an older show, but man, this guy love his boobies, lol.

What is the next film/ TV series chronologically to this movie? I kinda dig what was going on here.

I'm not sure if I'm more astounded that you're qualifying an excellent film as having nice animation despite its age or that you think Oshii is a tittymonger.
 

ibyea

Banned
That sucked, I liked how the Vader parts were shot and how he was intimidating though - same with the Death Star - cant say the same for Grand Moff Tarkin or R2-D2 and C3P0 cameo (the fuck was that there for?) which just felt like they were there because "Well A New Hope." I had to restrain myself to not flip off the screen at the last line. Mikkelsen and Donnie Yen are pretty wasted, of course they get Donnie Yen to play mystical blind Asian man

still less masturbatory about the OT then ep7

Yeah that hope line at the end was actually pretty bad. I don't want none of the shitty anime writing in my western movies!
 

Cornbread78

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I'm not sure if I'm more astounded that you're qualifying an excellent film as having nice animation despite its age or that you think Oshii is a tittymonger.

Lol. I just mean that it's 90's anime, so I imagined it would be much "choppier" and less colorful than something drawn today; kinda like Bebop was when I watched it. I guess there is a difference in how you watch it as well, but I wouldn't really notice since I normally don't buy dvds/bds to watch anime. Now the titty thing, I'm not aware of Oshii's work, so is that the norm for him? I actually started watching the movie (on my laptop) on the train back from NYC, but umm, yeah, lets just say everyone could see my screen if the looked down the isle, lol. I should stick to streaming on my phone when watching in public.
 

ibyea

Banned
Lol. I just mean that it's 90's anime, so I imagined it would be much "choppier" and less colorful than something drawn today; kinda like Bebop was when I watched it. I guess tgere is a difference in how you watch it as well, since I normally don't buy things to watch. Now the titty thing, I'm not aware of Oshii's work, so is that the norm for him? I actually started watching the movie on the train back from NYC, but umm, yeah, lets just say everyone coukd see my screen if the looked down the isle, lol.

Well, I think part of it is that Cowboy Bebop is television while Ghost in the Shell is a movie. Someone out there, correct me if I am wrong.
 

blurr

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Well I used the old man to make a point about the tonal whiplash. It's not just the old man. It's present every episode in some shape or form (damned cats talking after we get a scene about Rei's horrible past for instance?), except for episode 10 where they kept that at a bare minimum. For instance, the only "gaggy" scene in this episode was his meeting with the teacher. Them both laughing at how miserable they are felt sarcastic, not hamfisted and it worked, it wasn't even attempting to be funny. Then throughout the whole episode we actually felt tension for the first time. We saw Rei play Shogi, but never like this before. Nothing really about his opponent made him seem more dangerous than the previous ones, but the direction of the scene made it all seem a lot more focused, as if the stakes were much higher than anything prior. The dead silence (no narration telling us about what we were seeing!!!) the long stares and nervous ticks when thinking about their next move, it was all being played out as a beautifully sad and nervous track played in the background, it was a thing of beauty.

The conclusion of it all, the amount of anger coming out of Rei at the end felt genuine, and like a cry for help, something that we also barely see since his struggle is always very quiet, internal and black and white. We got bright orange colours as the sun was setting and his lone figure screamed at the top of his lungs. This episode alone actually made his depression justified, as all of this stress and negativity kept hitting him from everywhere and he just broke out.

As mentioned, aside from the cat song, I wasn't really bothered with any of its attempts at humor or silly moments. None of them undermined Rei's predicament but they probably were a distraction of sorts which IMO is fine. It doesn't have to indulge in Rei's sense of despair constantly.
 

Cornbread78

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Poco's Udon World ep.11
The fun has to end at some point and it looks like the last episode is going to be pretty bitter-sweet to watch play out. They have grown to be a family and made everyone around them better, but they can't keep the secret from everyone forever.
 
Well, I think part of it is that Cowboy Bebop is television while Ghost in the Shell is a movie. Someone out there, correct me if I am wrong.

Cowboy Bebop has really good animation, so I'm not sure what Cornbread is going on about there. As far as the "colorful" part goes though, he's probably picking up on how the average digital animation has brighter colors than the average cel animation.
 

Cornbread78

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Cowboy Bebop has really good animation, so I'm not sure what Cornbread is going on about there. As far as the "colorful" part goes though, he's probably picking up on how the average digital animation has brighter colors than the average cel animation.

I'm nowhere near a technical expert or really anything past a casual viewer when it comes to "animation" or anime itself, so maybe I misused to the term slightly. I watch anime on a very reactionary, excapist and "shallow" way, so I rarely pick up on nuanced things; I'm in it for the entertainment value above all else.

I can say, however, that your linked Bebop clip looks 1,000x better than it looked when I watched the show.

Colors are pretty easy to spot and I could appreciate the darker and flat colors used in the GiTS movie because it matches the world and it's tone perfectly.


It may also be that he is conflating other aspects of visual fidelity with "animation".

Much better way of saying what I couldn't, lol.
 

Clov

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Now the titty thing, I'm not aware of Oshii's work, so is that the norm for him? I actually started watching the movie (on my laptop) on the train back from NYC, but umm, yeah, lets just say everyone could see my screen if the looked down the isle, lol. I should stick to streaming on my phone when watching in public.

I don't really think that the nudity in GitS is meant to excite you or anything, so I wouldn't say that nudity is "Oshii's thing" by any means. I've seen Oshii's gaze in this film frequently described as "clinical", and that's something I personally agree with. I don't see the nudity in this film being intended for its own sake, and I don't think that's really how any of it is framed either.

The film focuses a lot on the link between consciousness and the body, and how that's affected when those both become artificial. One of the more famous instances of nudity in the film is the opening credits, where we see Motoko's cybernetic body being constructed (or rebuilt, it's not clear). I don't think Oshii is having us leer at Motoko, since he's showing us this in an overall very neutral way; starting with the base mechanical skeleton, to the insertion of the cyberbrain, the application of artificial skin... it's the construction of Motoko's "shell", and I think it is supposed to bother us somewhat that the human body itself has become a manufactured object in the world of GitS. At the very least, it's something that's always on Motoko's mind, and reinforces the ideas that GitS is trying to deal with.

In any case, while I'm sure it was awkward to watch the film on a train, I don't really think that Oshii just tossed some nudity into GitS just for some fanservice. I wouldn't call him a director known for that.
 

Quasar

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Poco's Udon World ep.11

The fun has to end at some point and it looks like the last episode is going to be pretty bitter-sweet to watch play out. They have grown to be a family and made everyone around them better, but they can't keep the secret from everyone forever.

Really hope Yen or someone starts publishing the source material soon. No-one is even fan-translating.
 
I always thought the nudity in GitS meant Motoko didn't really give a shit about her physical body because she considered her consciousness her real body and the physical body just a vessel
 

Clov

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I always thought the nudity in GitS meant Motoko didn't really give a shit about her physical body because she considered her consciousness her real body and the physical body just a vessel

I do think you're right that Motoko herself doesn't place much value in her "shell", though I do think Motoko has a lot of concerns about what having an artificial body means for her identity. At one point I remember she even doubts whether she's human at all (this comes up second hand in a conversation between Batou and Togusa after the Puppet Master is brought in). Her body isn't even her own; if she gave up her job, they'd reclaim it along with the memories she had of it. Who would she even be at that point?

The sequence where they play the "Making of Cyborg" theme again, showing off the cityscape is very important in showing this. Not just the contrasting shots of people with the lifeless manikins (and Oshii's signature basset hound), but also the fact that Motoko sees someone who looks exactly like her. How much of a unique individual are you when your own body is manufactured and sold? A lot of questions that are raised in the film tie back to body, consciousness, and identity.
 

Jintor

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I always thought the nudity in GitS meant Motoko didn't really give a shit about her physical body because she considered her consciousness her real body and the physical body just a vessel

Exactly. The nudity in gits is curiously asexual, even the geishabots are creepier thanks they are titillating.

Can't speak for the manga though pretty sure dude just wanted to draw boobs
 

Jex

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Exactly. The nudity in gits is curiously asexual, even the geishabots are creepier thanks they are titillating.

Can't speak for the manga though pretty sure dude just wanted to draw boobs

I can speak for the manga. The manga author, Masamune Shirow is a pervert who wants to draw greasy women being milked by horses. There's no doubt in my mind regarding the usage of nudity in the manga.
 

Haly

One day I realized that sadness is just another word for not enough coffee.
They are very very greasy indeed.

It's actually pretty impressive when you think about it: The most high concept parts of the Matrix can be traced back to a borderline porno cyberpunk comic. Oshii da god, transmuting lead to gold.
 

Dio

Banned
I can speak for the manga. The manga author, Masamune Shirow is a pervert who wants to draw greasy women being milked by horses. There's no doubt in my mind regarding the usage of nudity in the manga.

Well yeah. He's still drawing tons of porn to this very day. At least he's not being forced to make GiTS content for all time.

More power to him. Reminds me a little of Raita's situation, actually, and in Raita's case he's probably extra happy having his magical girl series reach meteoric fame and getting adapted to animation. I'm sure Shirow wouldn't mind that.
 
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