John Blade
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Know how it feel right now. The only thing I can say, it kinda kill me a bit from watching any anime for now. Do hope to come back watching my backlogged which I need to get through asap.
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Autumn Anime 2016 |OT| The seasons change, but we're still Falling for Euri
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Know how it feel right now. The only thing I can say, it kinda kill me a bit from watching any anime for now. Do hope to come back watching my backlogged which I need to get through asap.
Cornbread78
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Seriously. How can I watch anime and stock shelves when people keep harassing me to get them stuff... uuggghh.
The Great Passage manages to be less grounded than Showa Genroku Rakugo.
I can understand the death of rakugo in the face of modern entertainment.
I cannot understand nor take seriously dictionary nerds.
Still, good anime. I just wish it was plausible.
I can understand the death of rakugo in the face of modern entertainment.
I cannot understand nor take seriously dictionary nerds.
Still, good anime. I just wish it was plausible.
names2hard4you
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I mentioned a few pages back that ultimately between this or Girlish Number, I felt a lot more connected to the latter since I could actually relate to the problems arising in there, even though I am no VA. The dictionary "nerdism" and the team's devotion to complete it is pretty noble, but fuck if I'd be working on this thing for 13 years, specially when in the end people can just Google everything with the rise of technology over time. They place great importance to this thing in the past, which still makes sense since back then the internet wasn't as widespread, but in the present you even see them all use their smartphones, so I don't get it.
hosannainexcelsis
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You don't think people who care deeply about dictionaries have ever existed?
I don't believe in talking dictionaries!
I see what Oxford adds every year to know they probably don't.
Not like this. This Editor guy pulled some Beautiful Mind shit to divine the one who is destined to create The Great Passage with him.
Now, a Beautiful Mind I can actually understand, because a close friend of mine likes to wax poetic over the beauty of mathematics. And I have acquaintances who are also similarly invested in literature and language.
But the compiling of definitions is beyond me. It seems to be the most mundane and stifling way of interfacing with language.
It's like I said when I started watching this - the premise is extremely contrived and artificially dramatized. You know you're watching something that is being made more interesting for the sake of the audience because the reality is that this sort of material in real life is just going to be dry as fuck. So they add stuff like fate and destiny, very flowery dialogue exalting the thematic elements, etc. It's well made, but I don't buy any of it for a moment. Not that it prevents me from enjoying the heck out of the show though.
Admiral Woofington
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Somebody find the definition of neeeeeerd
KuwabaraTheMan
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The best animation category is a complete joke. I doubt most of the people responsible for that category even understand what makes good animation.
Overall, the nominations are pretty bad in general, and there are way too many of the same shows in every category. The small number of nominees compounds this effect.
And still exist for that matter.
Not so sure the paper geeks are still around as much though.
MetroidPrimeRib
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I think Great Passage wants you to buy into dictionary making as art. Yeah its a very mundane thing but there are also shows about tea ceremonies and calligraphy.
GoldCrusader
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I love how varied the judges are for CR anime awards
Miranda Sanchez - Editor at IGN Entertainment
LeSean Thomas - Animation producer, director (The Boondocks & Black Dynamite), creator of Crunchyrolls upcoming project Children of Ether
Xavier Woods - WWE superstar and known anime-lover, aka Austin Creed
Matt Schley - Otaku USA Magazine
Yomimaid - Event Chair at San Francisco Anime Festival & Cosplay
Tristan Gallant - Glass Reflection
Lauren Orsini - Otaku Journalist
Miranda Sanchez - Editor at IGN Entertainment
LeSean Thomas - Animation producer, director (The Boondocks & Black Dynamite), creator of Crunchyrolls upcoming project Children of Ether
Xavier Woods - WWE superstar and known anime-lover, aka Austin Creed
Matt Schley - Otaku USA Magazine
Yomimaid - Event Chair at San Francisco Anime Festival & Cosplay
Tristan Gallant - Glass Reflection
Lauren Orsini - Otaku Journalist
All this bitching about Crunchyroll Awards reminds me of the Newtype Awards in Japan. Same shit, who cares.
https://myanimelist.net/news/48083671
https://myanimelist.net/news/48083671
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I understand both tea ceremony and calligraphy.
Tea because it's a luxury foodstuff like any other, and luxury foods have been a significant economic and cultural force all throughout human history.
Calligraphy because it's just another form of visual art. It even exists in a modernized form: typography.
GoldCrusader
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I mean these awards aren't bad really, it's missing some amazing stuff
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At the end of the day anime awards are just for fun and I think the stuff CR selected are pretty cool, all good AOTY contenders.
You'd think a group like that would produce more umm varied nominees.
Valdfellgar
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Haven't actually watched any of Fafner. I mean to, some day, but so much stuff to watch, especially between running a seasonal anime review website, reviewing manga, and writing a novel =/.
If I recall you're crazy about it right? Or is that another series?
Let me put it this way. My wife hates Mecha, barely stands Gundam. She loved it.
Well, I have experience with IGN's Editor. I use to post in their Anime Club Group a bit more frequently and would listen to their podcast a bit. Her knowledge of anime is a bit... lackluster. Not someone I'd consider having any reasonable command over the medium, with a truly discerning opinion. They barely follow seasonal anime as it is (Unsurprising seeing as their main job is video games.)
hosannainexcelsis
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I've encountered some pretty hardcore linguistics people. (Remember that Tolkien originally invented Middleearth just to have a playground for his fictional languages.) Think of all the work that went into creating something like the Oxford English Dictionary. Nowadays information has been devalued thanks to the Internet and sites such as Wikipedia and Wiktionary have almost entirely replaced physical reference books for most people, but once upon a time people really did put effort into this kind of thing. Of course, even in this show it's acknowledged that there's a very small group of people who care about the Great Passage dictionary project, and most of the people even within the publishing company either don't care or actively dislike the project.
Sure, it's been "literature-ified", so to speak, and then extra dramatized through the metaphorical imagery the anime uses. But I don't find the basic premise - that someone cares about dictionary making - to be essentially implausible.
MetroidPrimeRib
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Kabaneri sweeping? Really? what the hell. Then again it is Newtype, where Saber and Kira Yamato have been in the top 10 characters for a decade
And why is Monogatari Series on there for 2016?
edit: oh its counting October 2015 for the results so Owari counts
The premise isn't implausible, just the expression of it. I think it's clearly a highly exaggerated set of characters and setting, more so than the average drama, because they need to make an uninteresting subject interesting for audiences.
I'm not sure how that's really different to media depicting other specialised jobs. You just have to look at how media depicts forensics for that.
hosannainexcelsis
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Ha ha, that's a good point. Not like CSI is an accurate depiction of police work!
MetroidPrimeRib
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He is just excited for Nekketsu-hen blurays tomorrow
He's not been the same since he realized Lois McMaster Bujold reads CLAMP manga.
The Silver
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this list has Jojo for best anime, automatically better than the Crunchyroll Screwjob
It's not. But I don't think anyone takes procedurals seriously as drama so much as soap operas. It's just worth pointing out in The Great Passage because a great deal of care is put into depicting the character acting, mood, and expressions. Like I said, it's similar to how a movie like Theory of Everything is clearly heavily dramatized to be more interesting than it is, while wanting to be taken seriously as a character drama.
I'll just say comparing The Great Passage to CSI isn't exactly flattering.
My original problem was The Great Passage COULD have been a lot better if they took this same talent, and applied to to a more plausible, relatable subject, rather than whatever the hell is going on with these nerds.
It'd be like if CSI had the artistry of Band of Brothers behind it. It feels like a wasted opportunity. There's nothing that sets me off more than wasted opportunities.
My original problem was The Great Passage COULD have been a lot better if they took this same talent, and applied to to a more plausible, relatable subject, rather than whatever the hell is going on with these nerds.
It'd be like if CSI had the artistry of Band of Brothers behind it. It feels like a wasted opportunity. There's nothing that sets me off more than wasted opportunities.
something something Hyouka something something
8 X 11 Printer Paper
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The Great Passage 8
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Gran and Tora.
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Gran and Tora.
Admiral Woofington
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Yeah let's be honest, a dictionary story is fucking boring. Use that talent for an Hbo Anime. I love those.
Hyouka is actually remarkably realistic. It captures the authenticity of bored teenager guys hanging out doing mundane and boring stuff because they like the company of pretty girls they're too shy to confess to. That makes watching some parts of it completely infuriating, but not unrealistic.
Doesn't their dedication for their work on dictionaries stem from their love for words and their meanings than dictionaries themselves? Dictionaries just happen to be an effective conduit for that, they are helpful and commercial products that endorse to the very thing they obsess about. The dictionary "Great Passage" wasn't just some revised edition of an existing dictionary but something they believe is different in spirit from the rest so they feel particularly impassioned, especially in a day and age where physical dictionaries are becoming obsolete.
For instance, Majime and new girl didn't think that they belong to dictionary department until they realize their love for words.
I did hope the show would press on with the words theme since it was fascinating for me but it stuck with the office drama and practical challenges of dictionary making which is fine in itself.
For instance, Majime and new girl didn't think that they belong to dictionary department until they realize their love for words.
I did hope the show would press on with the words theme since it was fascinating for me but it stuck with the office drama and practical challenges of dictionary making which is fine in itself.
But we don't see the jock casually come up and kiss the pretty girl in front of the nerd.
Yes. I mean most of them are just goofing off. Have you ever joined a club just to goof off? I have.
Admiral Woofington
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Who cares about any words that aren't dirty. I mean, shit.
hosannainexcelsis
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I'll admit, that's not a great comparison. I haven't made a dictionary myself, but what the people in The Great Passage are actually doing - checking existing dictionaries for what words have previously existed, contacting university professors for assistance in creating the entries, taking over a decade to make the dictionary - seems like exactly the things real dictionary editors would have done. So it's not like Hollywood "enhance" where job activities are being invented out of thin air. I think what you're feeling isn't so much that you can't believe these are the sorts of things that dictionary editors would do but that you can't believe that dictionary editors would believe their job matters.
I like the characters in The Great Passage and I like the interactions they have. If you find dictionary making intrinsically unappealing, I can certainly see how that would make you dislike the show. For another anime example, I've seen people react similarly to karuta in Chihayafuru (which is a weaker show in my because of how much it eventually marginalizes the characters in favor of episodes of in-depth karuta strategy). I don't really have that problem here, so I can't say I see this as a "wasted opportunity".
The wasted opportunity I see this season is Sound Euphonium S2, because that show has so much artistry behind it but it's being spent on a lot of melodrama that repels me way more than anything in Great Passage.
Because to be honest Hyouka is about characters who aren't exactly 'nerds' and the girls in question aren't exactly 'prom queens' either. In fact, that is also what makes some of Hyouka infuriating to watch, because you wonder WHY someone would write a story about this sometimes. But then you relate to it, and the story pays off, and it's soooooo good.
Dedication Through Light
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if only the DiaLover stage play was brought out in the western world. Everyone looks perfec especially Ayato Sakamaki
I think they might've believed it in, I don't know, the 14th century, where creating a dictionary would be a monumental act tantamount to codifying civilization. But in the 21st century it's just hard to swallow.
hosannainexcelsis
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Good thing The Great Passage started being made in the 20th century.
See for me, the subject matter (creating a dictionary) was why I was interested in the first place. Found it much more relatable than rakugo for instance, which is why I'll probably rank it higher when I vote.
And now given the meta-ness of anime lately I kind of want a anime about a anime/manga/light novel translator or something. I guess given Japan it would need to be about someone translating a great work of english into japanese.
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