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[enigmatic_alex44]

this sounds like a hot mess.

but I'm likin' the sound of CAP 2 being the biggest movie of phase 2 <3

 

[odiin]

I'm not familiar with the guy these rumours are coming from at all, but I've just heard that he's notorious for posting bullshit on twitter and then deleting it when it doesn't pan out. Apparently he's where that World War Hulk/Planet Hulk rumour from awhile back came from.

 

[PhoncipleBone]

this sounds like a hot mess.

but I'm likin' the sound of CAP 2 being the biggest movie of phase 2 <3

That I do like. Well, the biggest before Avengers 2 at least.

 

[TDLink]

I'm not familiar with the guy these rumours are coming from at all, but I've just heard that he's notorious for posting bullshit on twitter and then deleting it when it doesn't pan out. Apparently he's where that World War Hulk/Planet Hulk rumour from awhile back came from.

As someone who has been following his account I can tell you that isn't true. I never saw him post about the WWH/Planet Hulk stuff, nor have I seen him delete comments. Latino Review were the originators of the Hulk rumours.

 

[the chris]

 

[gutter_trash]

so convoluted with not much substance

 

[The Broken Ska Record]

Ugh. The whole Mandarin shit is stupid. I liked the Mandarin in IM3 better. He's done. There should be a reason to shoehorn him into something else.

 

[Toxi]

This is the stupidest fucking thing I've ever read. So Trevor gets extremis, even though he never received extremis in Iron Man 3 and White McCEOPants never had a reason to give the actor extremis. Then he becomes the Mandarin, which is apparently a biological computer accidentally created with genetic manipulation. The computer has an anti-American terrorist persona because... Uh... Genetic superhumans hate America? Then the Mandarin creates Ultron, even though there are about fifty less convoluted ways to create a homicidal computer.

 

[TDLink]

This is the stupidest fucking thing I've ever read. So Trevor gets extremis, even though he never received extremis in Iron Man 3 and White McCEOPants never had a reason to give the actor extremis. Then he becomes the Mandarin, which is apparently a biological computer accidentally created with genetic manipulation. The computer has an anti-American terrorist persona because... Uh... Genetic superhumans hate America? Then the Mandarin creates Ultron, even though there are about fifty less convoluted ways to create a homicidal computer.

I imagine "Trevor" actually getting Extremis would be something that happens (if it happens) in the confirmed One Shot Kingsley is doing for the Thor 2 home release. I mean that short is 100% happening, we just don't know for sure what it will be about.

Based on what we know so far I find it highly unlikely he was given Extremis over the course of Iron Man 3 (or prior to its events).

 

[richiek]

Re-Analyzing your comment I also want to point out that Iron Man 3 takes place at Christmas. AoS is supposed to start shortly after Avengers. And in Iron Man 3 they say it is about 6 months after Avengers. So in "real time" the MCU Phase 2 timeline is:

Avengers (Summer) > AoS Starts (end of Summer) > Thor 2 (November) > AoS Continues > IM3 (Christmas) > AoS Continues > Captain America (April) > AoS concludes > Avengers 2 (Summer) > Ant Man (Late Summer)

So it's all basically in one year, MCU time, when you think about AoS taking place in our "real time".

According to this article, Iron Man 3 takes place 6 months after Avengers, Thor: The Dark World 1 year later, and Captain America: The Winter Soldier 2 years later.

 

[FStop7]

I don't think Joss Whedon would go for something so convoluted.

 

[Dies Iræ]

This narrative directly contradicts what we already know. For instance, Joss Whedon has said that Ultron's origin story isn't tied to Ant Man. The teaser shown for Age of Ultron shows the Iron Man mask turning into Ultron's helmet. Based on Joss Whedon's comments that he wants Age of Ultron to feel more personal, etc., I would suspect a Jarvis/Tony Stark tie-in for Ultron's origin.

Won't be Mandarin, nope.

 

[iddqd]

I remember all the spoilers when Iron Man 3 came out with the space stuff that ties into the Galaxy mumbo jumbo. This has the same quality.

 

[Azuran]

The Mandarin in IM3 was fantastic and was better than getting a magic racist caricature.

Mandarin hasn't been portrayed that way in years. A simple wiki read is not that hard.

I bet people wouldn't have been annoyed with the reveal if Killian was Chinese. Would have made an awesome mythology gag for people who read comics and the general public would have still enjoyed the twist.

 

[TDLink]

According to this article, Iron Man 3 takes place 6 months after Avengers, Thor: The Dark World 1 year later, and Captain America: The Winter Soldier 2 years later.

A lot of that is speculative though. The only hard thing they have is Scarlet saying Winter Soldier is 2 years after Avengers 1. Although that still would throw off my real time theory...I'm just saying, Agents of Shield is supposed to be mere months after Avengers. And Iron Man 3 was definitely at a Christmas, rather than May (when it released in "real time"), 6 months after Avengers. Thor 2 could feasibly happen any time and Winter Soldier is confirmed getting tie ins with AoS.

I don't really think the timeline has been officially publicly stated anyways, but the one year thing is the only thing that makes sense when you think about AoS. Especially since AIM has yet to be mentioned on AoS and everyone acted like the events of Iron Man 3 hadn't actually happened yet.

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

This narrative directly contradicts what we already know. For instance, Joss Whedon has said that Ultron's origin story isn't tied to Ant Man. The teaser shown for Age of Ultron shows the Iron Man mask turning into Ultron's helmet. Based on Joss Whedon's comments that he wants Age of Ultron to feel more personal, etc., I would suspect a Jarvis/Tony Stark tie-in for Ultron's origin.

Won't be Mandarin, nope.

Kinda makes me think this might be Tony Stark's swan song if they wanna make it more 'personal',

 

[TDLink]

This narrative directly contradicts what we already know. For instance, Joss Whedon has said that Ultron's origin story isn't tied to Ant Man. The teaser shown for Age of Ultron shows the Iron Man mask turning into Ultron's helmet. Based on Joss Whedon's comments that he wants Age of Ultron to feel more personal, etc., I would suspect a Jarvis/Tony Stark tie-in for Ultron's origin.

Won't be Mandarin, nope.

It doesn't contradict at all. Even this rumour still states Tony would build the Ultron body. Anything Joss or any Marvel guy says could easily be misdirection, half-truths, or being coy.

I remember all the spoilers when Iron Man 3 came out with the space stuff that ties into the Galaxy mumbo jumbo. This has the same quality.

That was a 4chan rumour vs this one which is coming from a supposed leaker who has been right many times in the past.

 

[Buddha Beam]

They should totally get Bill Murray in on this movie. He has experience with breaking time loops.

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

They should totally get Bill Murray in on this movie. He has experience with breaking time loops.

Pft.

Cruise Missile's getting in on this

 

[PhoncipleBone]

Kinda makes me think this might be Tony Stark's swan song if they wanna make it more 'personal',

RDJ signed on for Avengers 3 though. If Tony is going down, it will be because Thanos kills him.

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

RDJ signed on for Avengers 3 though. If Tony is going down, it will be because Thanos kills him.

Oh! Didn't know that. Cool.

 

[The Giant]

Age of Ultron is a time loop?

What if Marvel pulls an Endless Eight and releases the film eight times, with only the eighth one being the good end? It has been done before:

http://haruhi.wikia.com/wiki/Endless_Eight

Oh god, that was a painful 8 weeks.

 

[JdFoX187]

Oh! Didn't know that. Cool.

Been saying for a year, now. Kill off Tony as the "heart" of the Avengers. They rally to his death, which galvanizes them to finish the fight. Somehow, they resurrect him with the Infinity Gauntlet. New actor. He looks different, makes a quip. Iron Man 4 follows. Keeps the series going without having to reboot, gives a canon explanation for the actor change, RDJ gets to retire with buckets of money. Everyone wins, even if it rips off Doctor Who.

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

Been saying for a year, now. Kill off Tony as the "heart" of the Avengers. They rally to his death, which galvanizes them to finish the fight. Somehow, they resurrect him with the Infinity Gauntlet. New actor. He looks different, makes a quip. Iron Man 4 follows. Keeps the series going without having to reboot, gives a canon explanation for the actor change, RDJ gets to retire with buckets of money. Everyone wins, even if it rips off Doctor Who.

Why would he have a new face? The Infinity Gauntlet does that?

 

[MHWilliams]

That sounds wildly complex for the Marvel Cinematic Universe. I'm just not seeing Whedon going into the whole Mandarin thing and Avengers is pretty much his baby at this point.

 

[Metroidvania]

Well....if any of the Avengers 2/Ant Man time loop stuff is true, I'll be extremely disappointed. That's not just time travel, it's convoluted, spans 2 movies and apparently tie-ins, which they have to both tie together, but still include the details in individual films because not everyone will see every single marvel product up til A2.

Not to mention that it trivializes Iron Man 3, but that's a different story, and IM3 already has problems.

Though I do wonder if there's this much setup for Ultron, what is Thanos gonna get?

 

[Palette Swap]

That would be some really protracted bullshit. I can't really imagine how that would work in a movie.

And that would partially undo that great twist from Iron Man 3.

 

[noah111]

Been saying for a year, now. Kill off Tony as the "heart" of the Avengers. They rally to his death, which galvanizes them to finish the fight. Somehow, they resurrect him with the Infinity Gauntlet. New actor. He looks different, makes a quip. Iron Man 4 follows. Keeps the series going without having to reboot, gives a canon explanation for the actor change, RDJ gets to retire with buckets of money. Everyone wins, even if it rips off Doctor Who.

That sounds horrible.

Either way, RDJ has been contracted to be in at least two more Avengers movies. So sigh of relief there.

 

[Jarmel]

This sounds way way too fucking convoluted for a film. Avengers 2 being a time loop is actually really really cool. The rest of this is fucking garbage. The bit about the Mandarin being an AI is insanely stupid. Like beyond idiotic.

 

[Kanyon]

What the fuck did I just read? That sounds like an complete clusterfuck of story... I've read a fair few comics and keep my ear to the ground on comic book movies, but even this has me completely stumped.

 

[pants]

What's this nonsense I'm reading?

 

[Spinluck]

That I do like. Well, the biggest before Avengers 2 at least.

Is Cap the last Phase 2 movie before Avengers?

Guardians of the Galaxy is part of Phase 2 right?

 

[Nether!]

This is supershadow level awful fan garbage.
It doesn't even make any sense, Ant-Man comes out after Avengers 2, doesn't it?
Maybe that isn't an issue, but from the ramblings I could make out I made it seem like Ant-Man was a lead in to Ultron.

 

[Vermillion]

Please don't.

That is indeed the worst part of this. I can accept everything else.

 

[PhoncipleBone]

Is Cap the last Phase 2 movie before Avengers?

Guardians of the Galaxy is part of Phase 2 right?

Guardians will be the craziest at least. And the one I am most excited for before Avengers 2.

 

[badcrumble]

A lot of that is speculative though. The only hard thing they have is Scarlet saying Winter Soldier is 2 years after Avengers 1. Although that still would throw off my real time theory...I'm just saying, Agents of Shield is supposed to be mere months after Avengers. And Iron Man 3 was definitely at a Christmas, rather than May (when it released in "real time"), 6 months after Avengers. Thor 2 could feasibly happen any time and Winter Soldier is confirmed getting tie ins with AoS.

I don't really think the timeline has been officially publicly stated anyways, but the one year thing is the only thing that makes sense when you think about AoS. Especially since AIM has yet to be mentioned on AoS and everyone acted like the events of Iron Man 3 hadn't actually happened yet.

That's not true. When Extremis was mentioned on the show, it was in the context of something Stark had already dealt with before.

 

[Burt]

And this is where the MCU oversteps the bounds of general acceptability by the mainstream. Most of the reason I don't read comics is because so many seem to revolve around intergalactic-interdimensional-time-hopping-parallel-universe bullshit centered around THINGAMAJIGGERS OF ENORMOUS POWER being fought over by characters whose relative strength is compared in terms that are usually reserved for DBZ debates.

I always liked the movies because they were grounded within an acceptable realm of reason, but I got the first inkling that the MCU was moving away from that with the New York scene in the first Avengers. Once they start throwing in time travel and Thanos (and possibly this Mandarin stuff), it's going to take one hell of a job to pull it off respectably.

Then again, I did enjoy Thor, and I'm not totally sure why I'm cool with that and not with the galatic et al. themes shifting over to The Avengers 2. I think it's just because the Thor stuff is central to the character, whereas it seems like the MCU as a whole is trending towards overextending itself with its self-one-upping.

 

[Byakuya769]

Looked like bad fanfic.

 

[Dysun]

Sounds like 20 years of convoluted comic book history garbage crammed into a few movies. Better be fake

 

[exmachina64]

so convoluted with not much substance

Just like the Age of Ultron comic.

 

[Archpath1]

mandar-inception?

what the hell did i read.

might as well sit back and enjoy these phase 2 movies before this crap happens

 

[badcrumble]

you'll note that the guy goes into absolutely zero detail about Captain America 2 or GotG because that way some gullible people will believe this crap all the way through 2015

 

[Miles Quaritch]

That can't be real, but then again...Whedon is writing and I assume he's pretty comfortable in the writers chair, so who knows...

It might be a case of sounding bad on paper, but working well in practise?

 

[enzo_gt]

There's no way this ends well in the public eye. I don't believe this can be written not to be a clusterfuck.

Then again, I always thought they were fairly aware of the convoluted aspects of comics that they didn't want to bring into Avengers (and other Marvel films).

 

[Sheroking]

Ha. What bullshit. If you recall, Joss has said multiple times that Avengers 2 is a smaller, more personal film than Avengers 1.

If I were to throw some 'guesses' at the wall to attempt to sound like I actually knew anything, I'd guess that Nick Fury gets written out in Winter Soldier (by way of grievous injury), leading to a SHIELD without a moral centre. Cap protests their actions and they come after him, he breaks away (with Black Widow) and stops the Winter Soldier on his own - in the end leaving SHIELD, probably with a warning about keeping their noses clean. The post credit scene reveals that Ultron is a creation of SHIELD designed as a fail-safe for the Avengers, in case they needed to be controlled or put down.

At least that's a LITTLE based on what we know and what we've seen.

 

[Slayven]

It's crazytown bananan pants.

 

[noah111]

Ha. What bullshit. If you recall, Joss has said multiple times that Avengers 2 is a smaller, more personal film than Avengers 1.

To be fair "smaller" and "more personal" doesn't really mean anything as far as this rumor goes. He only meant on a character level, not visual spectacle (as Ultron is after the Avengers specifically).

But yeah, probably bullshit. Or at the very least, poorly described.

 

[Carcetti]

They'd have to be absolutely insane to do anything as stupid as the stuff in the OP.

 

[Tom_Cody]

Yup.

The one thing I took from the jumble in the OP is that it will be great whenever they decide to do the time travel / time gem storyline. I'm hoping that will be Avengers 2 but I guess we'll have to see.

 

[angular graphics]

I read it twice and understood very little. Sounds horrible horrible horrible if true, but maybe it's just that the dude can't explain shit to save his life? Dunno.