If it was possible to do all BC software based, nobody would have implemented BC hardware.
Backwards compatibility is garbage
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If it was possible to do all BC software based, nobody would have implemented BC hardware.
IrishNinja
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i think it was perhaps sony's shittiest move last gen leaving it out of later models, but i have a 60 GB at least. if they again offer a more expensive legacy model of sorts, ill quietly bitch and continue supporting them again.
but if they end up leaving out PSN shit somehow - just as much BC as the games, natch - it's far worse, i'd argue. they'd be damaging faith built in their ecosystem.
Prime crotch
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It's a neat feature but hardly a system seller for me, I mean, if I'm buying a new system to play old games that system is dooone. I'm looking at you Vita
what a despicable attitude. You're basically just regurgitating what your company of choice is telling you because they're your company of choice even though it'll limit what you and other can play
the truth is that the PS3 and 360 had a shit first year. Given that Sony has closed many of their studios and Microsoft had none to start with i expect things to be worse this time round. couple that with increased development costs, the aversion to used games, the other studio closures and the various ways companies have found to rip people off
things aren't looking good
the truth is that the PS3 and 360 had a shit first year. Given that Sony has closed many of their studios and Microsoft had none to start with i expect things to be worse this time round. couple that with increased development costs, the aversion to used games, the other studio closures and the various ways companies have found to rip people off
things aren't looking good
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That's a nice piece of mind you got there!
My point is that BC should be the last priority. If it's not possible, no big deal. In the end, we get a better performing console.
ScepticMatt
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When I played on the PS2, BC never mattered to me
But now that I'm a PC only gamer, I play a lot of classic PC games.
So I'm not sure how I feel about not being able to play old console games in the future (besides emulation or buying on eBay)
But now that I'm a PC only gamer, I play a lot of classic PC games.
So I'm not sure how I feel about not being able to play old console games in the future (besides emulation or buying on eBay)
Oh dear, your first mistake was using Fifa 95 as an example.
It's a nice feature to have during transition periods. For example, I've been playing g quite a lot of Metroid Prime on my Wii U recently, having been through all the games that currently interest me. As the library expands, I imagine I'll use the BC mode less and less.
So yeah, nice feature, but for me, not a massive deal - whether it's there or not.
So yeah, nice feature, but for me, not a massive deal - whether it's there or not.
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
Mainly because I don't like having a ton of things sucking up space under my TV if I don't need them.
Sincerely chosen examples of quality classics to be sure.
Soodanim
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That's exactly what I thought when I read it. "I don't need it, so it's garbage and everyone else is wrong" isn't the best attitude to have when it comes to discussions.
That said, the given examples make it seem like a trolling attempt.
Only two reasons I would like BC. If it's done right and all games are BC or it doesn't compromise the hardware by cutting corners elsewhere. If companies are going for it but by the expense of making the hardware more powerful or more useful in some way, I'd rather not have it.
Wow that stirred up some strong reactions.
No I'm not 13. Swap the numbers around.
I get that access to the classics is cool. I recently played through donkey Kong country on the wii and the nostalgia was great, even if the game itself was only average.
Everyone has an opinion, this is just mine. If I was to word my op again in a less crass way I would preface the thread by saying I am 31, run a small company, have a wife and barely have any time to keep up with new games let alone spend hours playing the classics. I like the idea of being able to purchase the older classics and having a play through but I never had the time to play the same game 30 times. I just feel like there is a time you need to let go. That being said, I am probably hypocritical because I have e watched Braveheart at least 10 times and still love watching it
No I'm not 13. Swap the numbers around.
I get that access to the classics is cool. I recently played through donkey Kong country on the wii and the nostalgia was great, even if the game itself was only average.
Everyone has an opinion, this is just mine. If I was to word my op again in a less crass way I would preface the thread by saying I am 31, run a small company, have a wife and barely have any time to keep up with new games let alone spend hours playing the classics. I like the idea of being able to purchase the older classics and having a play through but I never had the time to play the same game 30 times. I just feel like there is a time you need to let go. That being said, I am probably hypocritical because I have e watched Braveheart at least 10 times and still love watching it
Funchameleon
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Captain Chaos
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I agree with the OP and also think retro gaming sucks!
I like b/c because it allows me to play the games I missed last gen. Each gen I miss out one platform. I missed out the PS2, but b/c was removed by the time I got a PS3 (Boo-urns) and last [Nintendo] generation I missed out the Wii. Now I have a Wii U and am enjoying for the first time Mario Galaxy 2 and Donkey Kong Country Returns while we're in the release drought.
Glass Rebel
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Backwards compatibility is one of the reasons why I hesitate to invest too much in consoles. Instead I have a huge library on PC with Steam and GOG where I can play everything from Wolfenstein 3D to RAGE. If it wasn't for Nintendo's backwards account system, the Wii would have been almost perfect in this regard. Maybe they fix it with the Wii U.
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
Classic games tend to be way shorter than current gen games.
PastorOfMuppets
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OP had a point but just did a terrible job of trying to argue it. Really? FIFA 95?
Backwards Compatibility is largely a luxury. After a certain point, if you want to play games from three generations prior, I'd just get an emulator and load up a rom.
I don't think however it's unreasonable to expect that the downloadable games you bought on your 360 to carry over to the 720.
Backwards Compatibility is largely a luxury. After a certain point, if you want to play games from three generations prior, I'd just get an emulator and load up a rom.
I don't think however it's unreasonable to expect that the downloadable games you bought on your 360 to carry over to the 720.
What did you expect? OP didn't provide good reasoning for calling an useful feature garbage, so no wonder it stir up some reactions. And all that could have been easily avoided, by just changing the headline, for example: "Who needs backwards compatibility" instead of the "Backwards compatibility is garbage".
MetalGuardian
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Is it confirmed that PS4 won't be backwards compatible? It won't be a dealbreaker since NextBox's always online, no used games bullshit has completely turned me off to the system, but a backwards compatible PS4 would make me jump on the Sony train in a heartbeat. I have three gens of great games to catch up on, so the PS4 would be a tremendous deal for me.
Though I'm not holding my breath. Don't they at least have some classic games on PSN and PS+?
Though I'm not holding my breath. Don't they at least have some classic games on PSN and PS+?
I do, but there is limited space under the telly. I have half a dozen old consoles in the loft and occasionally like to play older stuff from the previous gen. It's easier to do that if a machine is BC, like my Wii, PS3, 3DS and PC.
Hang on, are we talking games this gen or games from 18 years ago? Your argument isn't very clear. I suspect most people, when discussing BC, mean the generation immediately before.
Fair enough, but it's not all about you. Some people like to play older games again and again rather than playing them once and done. It's cheaper and not everyone has such a voracious appetite for new stuff. Why should I stop enjoying something I paid good money for because you get less time out of it and want to move on? I'm well aware of the games droughts new machines suffer, BC mitigates it slightly as the best games for the previous system usually come out at the end of it's life span.
Yes. Again, not all about you.
You are reducing my occasional desire to play one of my fifty-odd games from this gen to an absurd point. I don't want to leave my current console plugged in as I'd rather only have 2 at the most in the living room, and I expect a new console to play the previous gens games, not games from 18 years ago. If a console isn't BC for one gen, I won't be picking it up for several years until its library is big enough to keep me entertained.
Wow that stirred up some strong reactions.
No I'm not 13. Swap the numbers around.
I get that access to the classics is cool. I recently played through donkey Kong country on the wii and the nostalgia was great, even if the game itself was only average.
Everyone has an opinion, this is just mine. If I was to word my op again in a less crass way I would preface the thread by saying I am 31, run a small company, have a wife and barely have any time to keep up with new games let alone spend hours playing the classics. I like the idea of being able to purchase the older classics and having a play through but I never had the time to play the same game 30 times. I just feel like there is a time you need to let go. That being said, I am probably hypocritical because I have e watched Braveheart at least 10 times and still love watching it
I think this would have been a better OP
I can't imagine I have played anything 30 times, but most of my games have had 2 or 3 playthroughs, sometimes 5 years after I bought them.
I also used to think there was a time to let go, mainly in the hype running up to the console launches in the 90s, then I realised that there are so many more older games that I enjoy more than the homogenous releases of the current gen. It's almost an inevitable conclusion as time goes by- by 'older games' we can pick from the best of all previous generations rather than the best of the current ones. There's half a dozen games this gen that I think I'll enjoy forever, but that's a tiny fraction of the games in my overall collection that I feel the same way about.
Always-honest
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These kind of posts are cancer to a thread. By faaaar the worst. Cause they say nothing and add nothing.
Why not read anoter thread instead?
Nope BC was removed much before the slim came out.
tiggerkiddo
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It comes in handy when I don't feel like dragging out my older systems. Sometimes it doesn't work so well...i swear my PS3 struggles during some summon animations in FF games...haha
And I heard it's banable behaviour.
This is what worries me a lot about this current generation both the 360 and PS3 had issues.
I think backwards compatibility is more important (for me) now than it has ever been because I have bought a lot of games and DLC digitally and the games I buy (over PSN and XBLA) aren't pushing graphics capabilities of the hardware to the max but a lot of them have fantastic art styles and gameplay that I most likely will want to play several years later.
If backwards compatibility isn't on the next gen Xbox or PlayStation I will buy more of my smaller downloadable games on Steam as I know I have a better chance of being able to replay those games.
The other thing is that I don't have that much room (or HDMI sockets) to have multiple consoles plugged in. When new consoles launch it is nice being able to play your existing games while the newer games are being made. But in the long term for big budget disc based retail games I doubt I will go back too often to play those.
Its like the OP is a stooge for Sony. How the fuck are you gonna run that non sense when someday all your games might be digital content and heaven forbid Sony not be around for gaming eh? No Sony,no servers,your games are gone. Then you'll remember the shitfest you wrote in this topic.
ArtHands
Thinks buying more servers can fix a bad patch
Backward compability fills in the game library that a new console lacks and helps gamers to transit into the new game gen via the new system easily. It allows gamers who doesnt have the predecessor console to get the new console. It allow gamers to carry over their existing backlog over to the new console without worry.
It also solves the space issue that some gamers might be facing.
On the other hand, it is reasonable for the manufacturer to drop the feature in a new revision after a couple of years to save cost when the new console has enough game library to stand on its own.
It also solves the space issue that some gamers might be facing.
On the other hand, it is reasonable for the manufacturer to drop the feature in a new revision after a couple of years to save cost when the new console has enough game library to stand on its own.
It may not be a deal breaker for people like us but I know my brother is gonna want to trade in his PS3 towards a new console but if he can't play his PS3 games on the PS4 then he probably won't get one for a long time. Besides, people who were on the fence this gen about getting a PS3 could skip it and get a PS4. Then games that come out on PS3 without a PS4 port could still be bought.
Absolutely plus there's also the convenience of one console playing all our last gen games.
semiconscious
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so 'evolve' = never re-read a book, or re-watch a movie? or listen to a song you've already heard? depressing
...peanutbutterlatte
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Does this mean I can buy a PS3 for cheap before they become super expensive due to no BC?
No announcements have even been formally made.
This is like rumble all over again. "BC is last gen."
People tried to dog Nintendo for providing 100% backwards compatibility but charging for enhanced features for VC games.
It's kind of embarrassing.
EDIT: the title of this thread is so ridiculous. How is providing a valuable service "garbage"?
This is like rumble all over again. "BC is last gen."
People tried to dog Nintendo for providing 100% backwards compatibility but charging for enhanced features for VC games.
It's kind of embarrassing.
EDIT: the title of this thread is so ridiculous. How is providing a valuable service "garbage"?
DXB-KNIGHT
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Some of my coworkers bought a Vita just to play PS1 games, how come BC is garbage it's selling systems.
I know. It's a big incentive not to wait for price drops when you're able to replace your old hardware with one that (hopefully) will play the same software.
No-BC is just a cop-out to not have to develop emulation software, or to give excuses to spend money on rehash collections. Which, unless PS4 has some kind of 4D-Smellovision feature, will not convince me to do so.
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