Backwards compatibility is garbage

I can understand this sentiment if you have only played current generation games.

ZIng indeed. :-)

I tend to find modern AAA games a bit too bloated to be replayable- in 12 hours of repetitive ducking and shooting in Uncharted I can replay the whole of Super Metroid or LTTP, or, to be less inflammatory, in 50 hours of Skyward Sword I can play LTTP 4 times, and not have to dig out the motion controllers, accessories etc and charge them up, or worry about online features no longer being available. As I said, modern games will always have the disadvantage of being compared to the cream of all previous generations combined for me.

What a drawer full of plastic has taught me this gen is that as well as BC, I'll also be more likely to go for the system that has the least mandatory wacky accessories.
 
I'm a retro freak.
I usually keep multiple counts of every consoles. I am genuinly afraid that I won't be able to play my old game when I retire in ~30 years.
I should probably stock a couple of CRT TVs too. Or get a degree in electronics so I can build the parts I need to keep those games playable.
Oh wait, I should probably start stocking those CR-2032 batteries for all those nice cartridges and systems. So much to think.
This is probably paranoia on my part. God, if they can speed up that Alzheimer vacine so I have one less thing to worry about, that would be awesome.
 
Ah, to be 17 again, no job, no significant other, no rent/mortgage, only school/college to worry about and lots of free time to finish the games for the couple of consoles you own.

Myself, now having ten consoles (not counting portables), ranging from my NES (still working!) to PS3, and still having PS2 games left unfinished, I welcome every bit of consolidation I can get. Nintendo might shortchange us with the hardware, but at least they take their BC seriously; the Wii's GC compatibility was awesome, even if the GC itself didn't take a lot of space.
 
what absolute nonsene. the op is complete and utter garbage.

I won't bother detailing why, it's been said so many times throughout the thread. bc is absolutely vital for consoles, they help to carry the console through the first couple of years of its life as well as allowing gamers to experience games that came out late in the old consoles life or even after the new console was released.

next gen it's even more vital, if either sony / microsoft don't have bc, their digital ecosystems will be damaged beyond repair.
 
Isn't Windows "backwards compatible" of some sort? Can't Windows 7 run programs made for Vista, Vista running programs made for XP, etc.? I can understand that making consoles backwards compatible costs a lot of money, but it seems like a slap in the face to the consumer, who might have made a large investment in the previous console, in regards to games. Realistically, while I love backwards compatibility, I can completely understand why companies wouldn't implement it.
 
Well it's hardly garbage. You never have to see it or use it so I don't see why it would bother you. I'd love to see BC on the next gen systems(more features are always welcome so long as it doesn't dive the price up to high) but I don't think it will be included and while that kinda sucks it won't prevent me from buying it.
 
Because I don't want to have to keep a lot of different consoles around? Or because I never owned the console and game in the first place, and with BC I'd be able to play it without having to spend a disproportionate amount of money?

I get that you may not be interested in playing older games, and that's fine. But saying that backwards compatibility is garbage is plain trolling, or sheer ignorance.
 
After being married and having a few kids, having tons of consoles, controllers, and wires running all over the place ended up being a BAD idea. Most of my stuff that I collected and had on display slowly got destroyed, boxed up, or lost somewhere around the house. It got to the point where I had to give up on the idea of firing up the 3DO or Dreamcast for a quick nostalgic flashback.
When emulation became more and more improved, it gave me a reason to box up the rest of my clutter. When the PS3 first launched, I thought it was awesome that it could play PS1 and PS2 games. I could fire up Street Fighter Alpha Anthology and many other classics without having to dig up my old console. It was unfortunate when my 60gb console died though, and now I'm stuck with a slim PS3 that has PS2 BC taken out.
Right now I'm debating on whether I should build a PC for my living room so I can have "one box to rule them all" as far as emulation and pc games are concerned. If the PS4 has zero backward compatibility with PS1, PS2, and PS3 games, it's seriously going to make me think twice.
Microsoft and Sony obviously dislike the used game market, and making their consoles backward compatible was against their interests. Instead, they would rather make you buy the exact same game over again in digital "HD" form, and they "drip feed" their old library out as well. I'm still wishing I could buy PS1 classics like Road Rash, Return Fire, and Bushido Blade from PSN/SEN.
All of this frustration goes away if I just turn to emulating everything myself. As a bonus I only need to have 1 set of controllers out.
Many people think all video games are disposable, but I think that idea got introduced with the "Achievement/Trophy" generation of games. Once you milk all of your Achievements from a game, you just move on to the next because it's "tapped out" and no longer "fun". It's part of the entitlement age we live in. Games are now like a "job" and no job is worth doing unless you get paid for doing it with some sort of monopoly money.
 
Why don't you just keep the system you own the game on?

I hear people crying again that the next gen systems better be backwards compatible but apart from a few hardcore gamers, I don't know of many people who are still playing fifa 95 or rushing to get he from work to play pong.

Games evolve and so do gamers. Once I have played a game once I'm pretty much done. Show me the next game.

Does anyone seriously consider it an essential feature of their next gen console? Just leave your ps3 plugged in for a little longer. I'm sure by your 40th play through, you will have had your fill of uncharted.
I think the better question is how BC would ruin your current gaming habits?

Seriously now. If you don't use it - its not even an issue... but you have to make it one. If people want it - let em have it - its no skin off your back. No need to get all silly over it.

SMH
 
I think the better question is how BC would ruin your current gaming habits?

Seriously now. If you don't use it - its not even an issue... but you have to make it one. If people want it - let em have it - its no skin off your back. No need to get all silly over it.

SMH

But BC is garbage; better to save a CRT & an old console per game.
 
I wonder what people are going to say when Sony announces full BC through streaming for PS1,2,3 and PSN titles.

If suddenly BC will become "awesome and needed"
 
I don't really care about backwards compatibility either. I certainly don't want to pay for it (or have new consoles hamstrung by including compatibility chips).

The best games tend to be rereleased regularly enough anyway.
 
Did the OP ever return to this thread or did he just feel like spewing ill-thought out questions he didn't want the answers to?

I don't think BC, so long as it's not to the detriment of cost, is too much to ask for. It's not a deal-breaker for me, but it would be nice to play some of the classic games from the previous generation without cluttering up the living room.
 
I don't really care about backwards compatibility either. I certainly don't want to pay for it (or have new consoles hamstrung by including compatibility chips).

The best games tend to be rereleased regularly enough anyway.

Even after you said this... you didn't hear that "DING"? Seriously? That little noise that goes off the same time the light bulb above your head turns on? No? You certainly haven't gotten there yet but are you at least on the way?
 
Agreed. Save the extra costs on trying to get backward compat working and make the system either cheaper or better for next-gen!

Leave the past to past systems.
 
BC was a nice bonus that turned into people demanding it every single generation and being entitled. Honestly, it has never been a big deal.

People seriously expect Playstation 12 to emulate every game perfectly below it at this point. It is cost prohibitive and unneeded.

Just my personal opinion.
 
I kept my VHS player to play old home movie tapes.

It died and now I have a bunch of unwatchable tapes.

I will probably get a used player at some point (They are no longer made). But you see what I'm getting at.
 
I don't get why people would actively promote taking away useful console features. It's just absurd. Backwards compatibility used to be a selling point. But now that it's too tough for some companies, the same, annoying corporate line crowd is deriding it. It's similar to what happened in the used game threads yesterday. Sometimes companies can make mistakes!
 
Backwards compatibility is the reason you can own every Persona game and every Final Fantasy game up to 9 on the Vita and carry them around in your pocket without ever switching game cards.

Hooray for backwards compatibility.
 
Why don't you just keep the system you own the game on?

I hear people crying again that the next gen systems better be backwards compatible but apart from a few hardcore gamers, I don't know of many people who are still playing fifa 95 or rushing to get he from work to play pong.

Games evolve and so do gamers. Once I have played a game once I'm pretty much done. Show me the next game.

Does anyone seriously consider it an essential feature of their next gen console? Just leave your ps3 plugged in for a little longer. I'm sure by your 40th play through, you will have had your fill of uncharted.

Backward compatibility helps with filling in the gaps from the lack of games during the transition between generations.

Also, some ppl use their old systems as trade in credit to purchase the new one but keep their most popular games until the new systems library expands.

when the 360 launched I traded my OG xbox for credit toward the 360 and I kept Halo 2 and played it on the 360 until Halo 3 released.

also a lot of ppl aren't hoarders of old junk electronics
 
Why don't you just keep the system you own the game on?

I hear people crying again that the next gen systems better be backwards compatible but apart from a few hardcore gamers, I don't know of many people who are still playing fifa 95 or rushing to get he from work to play pong.

Games evolve and so do gamers. Once I have played a game once I'm pretty much done. Show me the next game.

Does anyone seriously consider it an essential feature of their next gen console? Just leave your ps3 plugged in for a little longer. I'm sure by your 40th play through, you will have had your fill of uncharted.

Not everyone owns the previous system, so getting the new one with bc is a great value.

Games are very cheap, by then, for the previous console. So that's nice.

You can also sell the old console to help pay for the next one if it has bc. Of course, some people like to collect.
 
I like backwards compatibility but In general I'm sympathetic to how the cons of if outweigh the pros. Very expensive to do, and can potentially cause a new system to suffer in other areas as they save costs
 
Backwards compatibility is the reason you can own every Persona game and every Final Fantasy game up to 9 on the Vita and carry them around in your pocket without ever switching game cards.

Hooray for backwards compatibility.
QFT...

cost issues aside...BC should be in as much as possible...

Personal preference, I usually don't go back to older games on my TV, I like to player my older games on Vita...
 
I am playing Skyward Sword on my Wii U, and after that Donke Kong Country, Super Mario Galaxy 2, and Metroid Prime 3.

Thank you Nintendo.

/Nintendo fanboy.

PS: Fuck you for being so out of touch and current stupidity.
 
OP is twelve years old and thinks halo is the best game ever made.

I've spent about half of my gaming time in the past 6 months replaying some of my old psx and ps2 games on an emulator.

BC is great , especially if it allows you to render at higher res.
I want a vita more for playing psx games than for the vita games itself , the prospect of ps2 ports is also great.

Yay for BC.
 
110% incorrect

The only consoles that I've had perma break down on me have been from this generation. Going forward, though, I agree with this statement and feel BC is more appropriate now than ever.

All systems eventually break from use and consoles from previous gens have had some manufacturing issues. PS2 with DRE in launch systems and issues with the lens assembly in PS1 that would wear out over time.

Just because you never experienced it doesn't mean it never happens. Your old systems aren't going to last forever unless you choose to never ever play them and keep them sealed up to degradation.
 
Might as well burn every movie and book not made in the last 5 years, some of us have vast collections of games that will never see the light of day again, nor do we want to repeat buy them, so having a system that can play them as well or even better than the original hardware without having old shit plugged in is a great feature.

This topic is stupid, options are bad!
 
I agree with you. Honestly its not a big deal for me at any rate because I play games on pc, and there's always some crazy cool dude that is dedicated to obscure old games that makes emulation possible. (ZDoom or DOSbox).

As far as console games go I just hold onto my old systems, I don't feel the urge to go back and play games too often, and the ones that I would have really missed are ported over and over and over (Hell I think genesis collection has most of my favorite genesis games on it, and VC covers the rest). There are a few exceptions like Goldeneye 64 that will probably never be available in retail again, but most of the time those game's glory days are over for me.

It is a cool feature, but it isn't enough to make or break buying a console for me.
 
I've played Castlevania: SotN multiple times over the years. I'd play a lot of other old games again from beginning to end if I had a chance. Fortunately, a lot of good games are re-released but there are some that are not or the rare case where a game is re-released but nowhere near as good as the original. A lot of us do go back and play games from the past plus, older consoles wear and tear which is why BC is not a bad idea.
 
"They break" is kind of a dumb excuse because in my experience newer consoles have been less reliable than old ones.

But really, It's just a pain in the ass to have nine consoles hooked up to one TV, and it's always worth keeping older games relevant and available.

Furthermore, if a console has backwards compatibility out of the box, that makes it easier for the manufacturer to sell digital versions of those games without having to devote too many development resources. Sony can release PS1 games on PSN at that rate they do because the PS3 has full software BC, which allows them to just throw the ISOs up there. With PS2 games they gotta put some work into re-emulating each one (or porting an HD version).

That's one of the advantages of digital distribution -- a developer or publisher can keep getting revenue for a game years or even decades after its original release. I'm sure publishers would love to keep getting sales for digital versions of their current generation games even well into next gen.
 
Why don't you just keep the system you own the game on?

I hear people crying again that the next gen systems better be backwards compatible but apart from a few hardcore gamers, I don't know of many people who are still playing fifa 95 or rushing to get he from work to play pong.

Games evolve and so do gamers. Once I have played a game once I'm pretty much done. Show me the next game.

Does anyone seriously consider it an essential feature of their next gen console? Just leave your ps3 plugged in for a little longer. I'm sure by your 40th play through, you will have had your fill of uncharted.
And I still play the GTA 3 set of games constantly.
 
Why don't you just keep the system you own the game on?

I hear people crying again that the next gen systems better be backwards compatible but apart from a few hardcore gamers, I don't know of many people who are still playing fifa 95 or rushing to get he from work to play pong.

Games evolve and so do gamers. Once I have played a game once I'm pretty much done. Show me the next game.

Does anyone seriously consider it an essential feature of their next gen console? Just leave your ps3 plugged in for a little longer. I'm sure by your 40th play through, you will have had your fill of uncharted.

I may have found some clues for your opinion. Let me gues.. it´s your first console?
 
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