Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice - 1 year!

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Yeah, I'm still shocked at how badly WB screwed up the movie. I went to an early screening, and I went home feeling really bummed out and disappointed at the whole thing. I still can't believe how badly they tainted their whole franchise with this movie. They had one job, and they blew it. I was really shocked at how mean and ugly the movie was, and I genuinly felt uncomfortable for the kids in the audience watching this movie. Seeing such an ugly and evil place on screen, where our heroes are torn down and trampled on. Mean, that's best way I can describe this movie.

Strangely enough, the movie did a remarkable job of reading the current political climate of cynicism and fear of 'the other'. If you guys haven't read it, please read Walter Chaw's review of the movie. This movie is in some ways perfect for Trump's America.

http://www.filmfreakcentral.net/ffc/2016/03/batman-v-superman-dawn-of-justice.html

I saw this ugly, bleak film on the day that religious fundamentalists blew up themselves and 31 other people in Belgium. This, a week or so after religious fundamentalists blew up themselves and 4 other people in Istanbul (a month after they blew up 13 other people in Istanbul), causing our homegrown religious fundamentalists to start talking about torturing, rounding up, and building ghettos for 1.6 billion people. 1.6 billion is also the number of dollars, roughly, that BVS needs to make to break even. That's called a false equivalency. Bear with me, there'll be a few of these, and they're ultimately not all as false as they might seem. Snyder's BVS is exactly the Superman movie we deserve. It begins as an apologia of sorts for Man of Steel, in which Snyder took the most Christ-like figure in Silver Age Comics and made him a Golden Age figure all noir and war and crime and horror. He created the single most irreducible icon of my childhood and made him a murderer indifferent to the suffering of thousands of collateral casualties, buried by his fecklessness and rage in the rubble of his adopted home of Metropolis. It's interesting to me that this film and the upcoming Captain America: Civil War will be dealing with the consequences of levelling cities, packed to the brim as these franchises have been with city-levelling 9/11 iconography. It's interesting, too, that this iteration of Superman continues to have no problem with killing people. He demonstrates this early on when someone holds a gun to the head of lady love/professional hostage Lois Lane (Amy Adams). My response to that was a "well, of course he could kill anyone he wanted to at any time" horror. This is symptomatic of a movie that doesn't seek to explain the ways of God to men, but imposes upon gods the petty weaknesses and tunnel vision of their creations. It's an attractive teleology vs. theology argument. Except that for this avowed atheist, pop-cultural Superman was the only divinity I ever truly believed in. What I'm really trying to say is that BVS will make its $1.6 billion, because as a culture it's not only the Superman film we deserve, but also the one we most ardently desire.
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Metalingus5150 said:
Remember when everyone thought this movie would destroy Civil War? lol
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Remember 1billion is the ground floor, sky is the limit!

"Marvel Shook!", BvS will be the prototype, yeah prototype of making a shit superhero film

I was there for "Hello Darkness, My old friend..."
That was highlight of the movie

I'll remember BvS for memes than the fucking movie
One thing that never gets mentioned, it was way too fucking long
 
hydruxo said:
Terrible movie. Eisenberg as Lex Luthor is one of the worst casting choices of all time.
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JJH said:
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I can't find the analysis that was posted on 4chan, about how, in the end, Lex Luthor was the one who believed in Superman the most.
 
never forget the Armond review

In this age of petty Marvels, most comic-book movies merely perpetrate fantasies of power, but Snyder, enacting his personal aesthetic, braves a film that examines those fantasies. He boldly challenges popular culture’s current decay. Man of Steel was a magnificent, hugely satisfying response to what’s often missing in pop culture, and Batman v Superman raises more ideas without (yet) resolving them. An attempt to invoke other superheroes from the DC Comics stable, starting with Wonder Woman (Gal Gadot, accompanied by tribal drums that recall Snyder’s overawed feminist fantasia, Sucker Punch), ultimately goes unfulfilled. And Snyder, obliged to placate the Marvel hordes, lets a couple of fight scenes devolve into Avengers-trite turmoil.
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ezekial45 said:
Strangely enough, the movie did a remarkable job of reading the current political climate of cynicism and fear of 'the other'. If you guys haven't read it, please read Walter Chu's review of the movie. This movie is in some ways perfect for Trump's America.
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Well of course. God bless Zack Snyder.

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Still the worst film I've ever seen in theaters. Over two hours of pure misery, and it only seldom was bad enough to be funny (The Martha Scene).

I remember liking a handful of shots, but not any of the actual sequences, which continually felt disjointed and badly filmed. What should have been fun setpieces, such as the Batmobile chase and Batman beating the crap out of a warehouse of thugs, were both hampered by shitty direction.

Looking at the shots in the OP, I'm reminded again just how dour the movie was. Scenes that should be bright are graded down to be murky, the whole thing just has this drudgy feel to it. Because darkness, no parents.

I liked Gal's performance, as she was the only person in the film allowed to look like she was enjoying herself, even during the action scenes. Ben was decent as a no-fun-allowed Bruce, and Irons was good as Alfred, though he was given little to work with.

The best thing to come out of the movie was the RT thread.
 
This film affected some people in really weird, if somewhat amusing, ways. And I'm probably not exempt from that. It was an important movie, taking many people's two favorite characters and pitting them against each other.

I'll only say this: The moment I heard it announced...the nanosecond I heard that Zack Snyder introduced it with the speech Batman gave Superman when he used kryptonite on him from The Dark Knight Returns is when I knew there was very little chance I was gonna like this movie. As more was revealed, depicting how Batman and Superman clearly hated each other, the more I was sure of it. Putting aside any concerns about writing quality with the story, when you get down to it, I just don't like seeing Batman and Superman hate each other.

If there is a single defining key thing that Civil War got right that BvS didn't is that superheroes genuinely fighting each other was a tragedy, and the characters treated it as such. There was room to have fun, but when you get down to it, Tony and Steve are friends who have a lot of respect for each other and care about each other and the accords pitting them against each other just really, really sucks for them. That's what makes "Lets have these two heroes fight" ultimately a compelling concept. Not to say that seeing two different superpowers go at each other isn't also part of the deal, but there is an inherent drama to fighting someone who you were close to.

There wasn't anything like that in BvS. Batman just flat out hated Superman over impersonal and xenophobic reasons so he quietly plotted his murder of him while Superman hypocritically didn't like that Batman was killing people and just tried to order him to stop. There wasn't a single scene where the two just...genuinely talked to each other and tried to understand each other until "Martha". People say Zack Snyder doesn't get DC superheroes, but it's more that he doesn't get storytelling as a concept. It's not just about seeing characters do cool shit, it's about how they interact with each other as people, figuring out who they are as people. Neither Batman or Superman are really interested in that. Batman just wants his 9/11 revenge fantasy while Superman is just trying to put a vigilante away. There is no actual personal connection between the two of them, and there isn't anything except distant observations and third party accounts to connect them to each other. It's a stranger going up against a stranger and I don't see the point of it.

If I were to want to see a genuine match up of Batman vs Superman, I would never do it as their introductory movie. You'll get much more impact of them going up against each other if they're friends first.
 
Well 1 year later:


  • Not as bad as everyone says but still has major issues. Director's cut fixes a lot of those issues which is crazy because there was at least 30 minutes they could have cut out of the theatrical to include the 20-30 minutes in the director's that would have made the plot make more sense.

  • Still not a fan of how brazenly Batman kills people. That Zack quote even ignores stuff like the Batwing gunning down a bunch of people in the warehouse parking lot.

  • Superman gets short shrift story wise. For example it would have gone a long way for him to have had an inspiring speech in the Senate hearing before the place blows up. Would have made his helplessness in that moment have more impact.

  • Darkseid dream as cool as it is is so out of place and is only confusing to general audience.

  • Batman's motivations for killing Superman make no sense even with Luthor's manipulation. Doomsday as a backup plan doesn't either.

  • Youtube cameos for the JLA were really dumb and didn't even make sense chronologically in the story. Did he randomly stop during his Superman trap setup to IM her and be like "OMG did you see this? Hit me up later, I'm busy with something."

  • Fight scenes and cinematography were great.

  • Soundtrack was great. Hans stay winning.

  • Suicide Squad's extreme terribleness retroactively made this movie a few notches better.
 
This movie in general bugs the shit out of me because DC/WB had a very solid template to work with and threw it all out the window so Snyder could make his fucking try-hard movie.

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Adapt this into live action and you're golden.

Another thing about this movie that bugged the shit out of me was how amazingly stupid the characters in this movie act. In particular, Superman wavers between being a dumbass and a dick the whole movie
 
Probably one of the weirdest experiences in a cinema I've ever had. I'd seen the reviews, but I still had to go see this movie for myself.

Not long after the opening I was sinking into my seat wondering how the fuck somebody at the studio had okayed any of this. By the time the piss jar had appeared, I'd given up any attempt at getting engaged and was trying to stifle laughter at how stupid it all was.

When the film ended and the lights went up, the room had such a weird atmosphere. Kids that were hurriedly rushing to find their seats before the film had started were blank-faced and silent as they were led out by their puzzled-looking parents. Everybody had this vibe of "What the fuck did we just watch?"
 
Lord Zimmer said:
Cinematography

Fong da gawd put some nice stuff in there. Best looking CBM? Best looking CBM.
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No offense, but I think this is something of a misunderstanding of cinematography. It's more than just making pretty still pictures. It's about visual storytelling, and I'd argue that a lot of the visual storytelling in this movie -- much like the written storytelling! -- is a muddled mess.

I'd also argue that that bottom-right shot of Supes and Bats standing on the Batmobile looks kinda shitty.
 
Remember when they were selling a special $100 Ultimate BvS Ticket that would allow you to see the movie an unlimited number of times?

Did you or anyone you know buy one? I wonder what it feels like to pay to see a movie an unlimited number of times, only to discover that you don't even want to see it a second time.

"The program will run from March 24, 2016 to September 24, 2016" I wish I knew someone who worked at a theater. I can't help but wonder if there were still people coming to see Batman Versus Superman in friggin' September. Was it even still playing after May?

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My favorite part of the review thread was when the DCEU fans would come in and chastise everyone for making fun of it, as if .gifs of Chris Evans laughing was just so offensive.
 
Spaghetti said:
When the film ended and the lights went up, the room had such a weird atmosphere. Kids that were hurriedly rushing to find their seats before the film had started were blank-faced and silent as they were led out by their puzzled-looking parents. Everybody had this vibe of "What the fuck did we just watch?"
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I just remember everyone trudging to the exit in silence.
 
DeathoftheEndless said:
My favorite part of the review thread was when the DCEU fans would come in and chastise everyone for making fun of it, as if .gifs of Chris Evans laughing was just so offensive.
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They're hilariously annoying. I can totally see why it would piss them off beyond belief.
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WrenchNinja said:
Can anyone remind me of the symbolism of an overflowing bathtub
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People tried to give meaning to it???!! Lmao. Maybe it was a forewarning of her drowning later.
 
GuitarAtomik said:
Well 1 year later:

[*]Suicide Squad's extreme terribleness retroactively made this movie a few notches better.
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I don't agree, Suicide Squad was a better movie than this and holds up much better than this. Ben affleck's batman was the shining point of the movie.

The directors cut was better but it still is a bad movie, I have a feeling that Justice League will be just as bad but I am hope I am wrong.
 
I'll never forget when the "Martha!" scene happened a few people around me gave a nervous laughter as if they weren't sure if it was supposed to be funny while the rest of my theater just gawked in stunned silence. Not since the love scenes in Attack of the Clones has watching a film been so awkward and uncomfortable.

border said:
Remember when they were selling a special $100 Ultimate BvS Ticket that would allow you to see the movie an unlimited number of times?

Did you or anyone you know buy one? I wonder what it feels like to pay to see a movie an unlimited number of times, only to discover that you don't even want to see it a second time.
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I distinctly remember a couple people on GAF bragging about buying one.

Wonder how they feel about it now.

AuthenticM said:
I like Suicide Squad.

Suicide Squad is not a better movie than this.
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For all the many, many, many, MANY faults SS has, at the very least it wasn't boring.
 
Dash_Riprock said:
I'll never forget when the "Martha!" scene happened a few people around me gave a nervous laughter as if they weren't sure if it was supposed to be funny while the rest of my theater just gawked in stunned silence. Not since the love scenes in Attack of the Clones has watching a film been so awkward and uncomfortable.
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The Martha scene is the moment where I really felt cemented in my belief that WB has no idea what they're doing and just rushed this movie out the door in order to get some of that Marvel money. Like, seriously, how the fuck does a scene like that not get immediately laughed out of the script at the first group reading?
 
Blader said:
No offense, but I think this is something of a misunderstanding of cinematography. It's more than just making pretty still pictures. It's about visual storytelling, and I'd argue that a lot of the visual storytelling in this movie -- much like the written storytelling! -- is a muddled mess.
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I mostly agree with this, even if there are certainly some shots and sequences that are impressive.

Things go so off the rails towards the end in terms of visuals. It's just a blur of Christ allegories, fanboy wank, and impossible CGI shots and transitions. It's so superficial.

Best example I'd have is them managing to sneak in a reference to the Dark Knight Rises cover during the Doomsday fight, which is one of the dumbest, shallowest set-pieces of the whole film.
 
Veelk said:
This film affected some people in really weird, if somewhat amusing, ways. And I'm probably not exempt from that. It was an important movie, taking many people's two favorite characters and pitting them against each other.

I'll only say this: The moment I heard it announced...the nanosecond I heard that Zack Snyder introduced it with the speech Batman gave Superman when he used kryptonite on him from The Dark Knight Returns is when I knew there was very little chance I was gonna like this movie. As more was revealed, depicting how Batman and Superman clearly hated each other, the more I was sure of it. Putting aside any concerns about writing quality with the story, when you get down to it, I just don't like seeing Batman and Superman hate each other.

If there is a single defining key thing that Civil War got right that BvS didn't is that superheroes genuinely fighting each other was a tragedy, and the characters treated it as such. There was room to have fun, but when you get down to it, Tony and Steve are friends who have a lot of respect for each other and care about each other and the accords pitting them against each other just really, really sucks for them. That's what makes "Lets have these two heroes fight" ultimately a compelling concept. Not to say that seeing two different superpowers go at each other isn't also part of the deal, but there is an inherent drama to fighting someone who you were close to.

There wasn't anything like that in BvS. Batman just flat out hated Superman over impersonal and xenophobic reasons so he quietly plotted his murder of him while Superman hypocritically didn't like that Batman was killing people and just tried to order him to stop. There wasn't a single scene where the two just...genuinely talked to each other and tried to understand each other until "Martha". People say Zack Snyder doesn't get DC superheroes, but it's more that he doesn't get storytelling as a concept. It's not just about seeing characters do cool shit, it's about how they interact with each other as people. Batman and Superman really don't. So how can I care about them fighting it out?

If I were to want to see a genuine match up of Batman vs Superman, I would never do it as their introductory movie. You'll get much more impact of them going up against each other if they're friends first.
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I think you absolutely nailed it. I saw this movie when I was 20 and thought it was bleak and upsetting. If I saw when I was, say, 10 years old, it probably would be my least favorite movie ever. Ben Affleck's Batman is a fucking psychopath. When him and Superman fights, his sick enjoyment of the pain he's inflicting just disturbs me. This movie is terrible. Good cinematography buried under awful writing, contrived plot, and miscastings (I feel second-hand embarrassment when Eisenberg is onscreen.)
 
What did he mean by this? said:
To be fair, the Iron Fist threads have had a few mini versions of that as of late. Fanboyism yeesh
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Good. Hopefully (sadly) both groups can balance out and quit being so nipple sensitive. Shit is just jokes about movies, not a family member dying. Who gives a shit if goldilocks dragon knuckles sucks? Folks need to get over this shit..and go outside..and meet humans..
 
I still stand by liking it, though it was a huge mess. I'm not saying this as a DC mark or anything because I didn't really like the other two movies in the universe, but this movie certainly had some really interesting ideas and good talent in terms of acting. And in my most unpopular opinion, I honestly think Eisenberg was fantastic, but only if you don't really interpret his character as who Lex Luther is typically supposed to be. He was more a completely unhinged nutjob who wanted to kill Superman. In my interpretation his character motivations (his hangups regarding god and power) didn't entirely make sense, but they didn't need to and weren't supposed to because he was just a completely batshit lunatic.

All this being said the movie was still a huge mess, the editing was terrible and it jumped all over the place with some really weird pacing.

And of course the GAF thread was legendary.
 
Yen said:
I just remember everyone trudging to the exit in silence.
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There were a bunch of developmentally disabled people out for the day with their care group in the front row, and I felt so fucking bad they had to be subjected to such a joyless film.
 
Lothars said:
I don't agree, Suicide Squad was a better movie than this and holds up much better than this. Ben affleck's batman was the shining point of the movie.

The directors cut was better but it still is a bad movie, I have a feeling that Justice League will be just as bad but I am hope I am wrong.
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I very much disagree. Suicide Squad, in my opinion, could barely be classified as a movie. It has some interesting characters and some so bad they're good moments, but beyond that it is a trainwreck. At least BvS has a relatively followable chain of events and some really good action sequences. Suicide Squad couldn't manage either of those.
 
Movie was meh. It's strange, though, how folks can't get over a bad movie.

Has any movie been hated this much by the Internet before? I wonder why that is. It's strange, too, because it doesn't even seem like "DC fanboys" bringing it up either.
 
I still can't wrap my head around this thing. I'm such a huge fan of Batman and Superman, and have enjoyed pretty much every time they've fought in the comics and graphic novels. I was sitting there in the theater and I was bored. A movie where Batman fights motherfucking Superman bored me. I just can't even make sense of how badly they fucked it up.
 
Dash_Riprock said:
I'll never forget when the "Martha!" scene happened a few people around me gave a nervous laughter as if they weren't sure if it was supposed to be funny while the rest of my theater just gawked in stunned silence. Not since the love scenes in Attack of the Clones has watching a film been so awkward and uncomfortable.
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Lots of laughter at that part, yeah..an audible "Oh my god" from some group of teens(?) behind us.

Subpar Spatula said:
Movie was meh. It's strange, though, how folks can't get over a bad movie.

Has any movie been hated this much by the Internet before? I wonder why that is. It's strange, too, because it doesn't even seem like "DC fanboys" bringing it up either.
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Crash. Fan4stic. But you probably loved them..
 
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