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[Boombloxer]

They don't have 7 years time to make 7 mediocre movies building up to nothing

I agree, that's why they should do what Marvel does and make good to great films that also build the universe.

Yes. I generally have a problem with comic book movies taking huge liberties with well known storylines instead of just creating something original. I felt the same way about Days of Future Past too.

Darkseid supposed to be a cold, calculating manipulator who prefers to manipulate behind the scenes instead of get into fistfights. In the rare events the he does get into fistfights with Superman, he's not above making a strategic retreat as soon as the odds turn away from his favor. Him and Superman punching each other to death in downtown metropolis is like the opposite of what his character is supposed to be.

Darkseid has done both, in the same series no less. He's beat him up and manipulated him, manipulated him, then they fought to a draw, and then they threw down again, and Supes was about to have heart carved out, until Lex & Magical Orb showed up.

Stories don't always translate well across mediums, and sometimes it's better to simplify things without going into the same level of detail that a comic can, largely because that's not usually what the audience is expecting. I don't have a problem with that, it's more of a problem when it's done badly, like SM3 or X3 vs X2 or TWS or TDK.

 

[Johnny Cage In The Shower]

You can know someone's name and have no idea what they look like. I couldn't pick Elon Musk out a of lineup.

Yeah but... Are you a journalist working for a prominent news agency specializing in reporting about and interviewing high profile figures?

 

[TheKaeptain]

Yeah but... Are you a journalist working for a prominent news agency specializing in reporting about and interviewing high profile figures?

Clark hasn't been a journalist long. He doesn't have to know anyone because he's probably just covering Lex.

 

[Bear Force One]

Why do you think that? This is just pre-bald regular-ass Lex, isn't it?

This is lex

http://www.polygon.com/2015/10/6/9463323/jesse-eisenberg-lex-luthor-batman-v-superman

 

[Snake]

Exceptionally bad trailer.

First of all, it completely deflates any potential tension about the Batman versus Superman dynamic. Then it gives away just how shallow and uninspired Lex's motivations are going to be. After all that, it also paints Wonder Woman as a meaningless tie-in with no real connection to the core of this film.

And then you've got them spoiling the presence of Doomsday as the cherry on top. Understandable in some ways, and the least of the movie's apparent problems, but it just adds insult to injury.

 

[Effect]

Can we discuss the fact that Snyder hasn't tweeted this out nor said anything about it ?

It kinda feels like he isn't very happy about this and WB is handling this 100 % from now on for whatever reason.

Might be going to far to think there is something wrong. He hasn't tweeted anything since Oct 29 and even then he rarely uses it. It's highly possible that the marketing department has now taken over prompting the film. Also isn't he doing prep work for Justice League now. They're suppose to start filming that in early 2016 (Jan or Feb I think) last I heard. He might just be super busy right now trying to do what he can before he has to free up time to do the final marketing push, interviews, etc in March 2016. Charles Roven has been the one speaking to press the last few weeks and before that there were the interviews, etc from Snyder, etc in Empire magazine. Snyder isn't really a vocal guy I've noticed. The film is in the can as they say and he's likely hard at work on the new one. WB has faith in him and he's got to have faith in them to keep marketing the movie and get butts in the seats. I don't see why he'd be upset.

 

[totoro'd]

Exceptionally bad trailer.

First of all, it completely deflates any potential tension about the Batman versus Superman dynamic. Then it gives away just how shallow and uninspired Lex's motivations are going to be. After all that, it also paints Wonder Woman as a meaningless tie-in with no real connection to the core of this film.

And then you've got them spoiling the presence of Doomsday as the cherry on top. Understandable in some ways, and the least of the movie's apparent problems, but it just adds insult to injury.

Agree with this. I thought the second trailer was fantastic. I think the speculation is right and this one doesn't seem to have been done by Snyder. The second trailer got me super hyped for the movie; this one is kinda a let down

 

[Toxi]

The people playing X-Wing at my LGS tonight wouldn't stop talking about how much the trailer sucked. Really hated Lex Luthor and how Doomsday looks.

Interesting to hear this sort of conversation in real life.

 

[privitsan02]

This trailer made the movie look more bloated than X-Men: The Last Stand, Spider-Man 3, The Amazing Spider-Man 2 and Avengers: Age of Ultron. Doing that takes courage.

I don't know what to think of the joke in the end. It's not humorless, but its campy in a bad way. The timing simply felt off and Batman's reaction just doesn't go with the tone. I really hope this is good because Marvel need competition, but my faith after this trailer is rock bottom, even though the previous one was fairly impressive.

I honestly feel like the Ninja Turtles extra wasn't needed. Apparently Aquaman is in this too? This trailer just basically told me the gist of the plot and while I could've guessed it without the trailer, its a shame its turning out the way I imagined: predictable.

Best wishes.

 

[Johnny Cage In The Shower]

Clark hasn't been a journalist long. He doesn't have to know anyone because he's probably just covering Lex.

So Clark basically sucks at his job as a journalist? Which is fine by me, I could roll with that.

 

[Kuro]

Agree with this. I thought the second trailer was fantastic. I think the speculation is right and this one doesn't seem to have been done by Snyder. The second trailer got me super hyped for the movie; this one is kinda a let down

The only thing Snyder is good at is trailers into suckering people to watching a mediocre movie.

 

[wetwired]

This has probably been posted before but if not, someone edited together a better version of the recent trailer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMVugzohlwA&feature=youtu.be

 

[Marz]

Honestly that Bruce and Clark back and forth was really solid to me. If they can play up the "i know that you know that i know" angle with those 2 along with a sharp Lex whos on point then im going to enjoy this film. The action parts look kind of corny, but supermans always been corny.

 

[DeathyBoy]

This has probably been posted before but if not, someone edited together a better version of the recent trailer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMVugzohlwA&feature=youtu.be

It has. MANY times. And as others have noted it 'conveniently' removes Wonder Woman completely. Which is probably unintentional, but also kinda fucked up.

 

[Rogan]

Watched it on my 50" TV with some Sonos speakers. It looks better on the big screen, but still shit.

 

[Shaanyboi]

It has. MANY times. And as others have noted it 'conveniently' removes Wonder Woman completely. Which is probably unintentional, but also kinda fucked up.

No it doesn't, they slide that shot of her with her shield up to 1:46 as just an out of context shot rather than revealing the beat that she arrives saving Batman from a Doomsday blast. Because seriously, seeing her arrive in that trailer made both me and my girlfriend super happy, but at the same time, it completely gives away the surprise save that would've been a fucking awesome moment to see in the theater. Like in the Avengers trailer where they reveal Hulk saving Iron Man... It's rad to see but completely spoils it.

 

[Scrooge McDuck]

So Clark basically sucks at his job as a journalist? Which is fine by me, I could roll with that.

Yar, a majority of people generally sucks at their job when they're new. Learning by experience and all.

 

[The Driver]

Don't think the recut trailer is that much of an improvement. Can't think of any recent trailer that ends with something wack like the sound of roar then cut to the title. Should have just gone and harvested footage from the CC trailer for the ending bit. Another case of fans trying to "fix" everything.

I agree this seems like it wasn't handled by Snyder because you can pretty much post every trailer for every movie he's done (baring the Owl flick, never saw any of them) and they are all HYPE. Seems like WB is handling the marketing now and I wouldn't be surprised if material was chosen to show another side to the movie and fit SW's audience a bit better.

Hoping WB can pull him away from JL prep for a lean Synder-sourced final trailer in Feburary.

 

[DeathyBoy]

No it doesn't, they slide that shot of her with her shield up to 1:46 as just an out of context shot rather than revealing the beat that she arrives saving Batman from a Doomsday blast. Because seriously, seeing her arrive in that trailer made both me and my girlfriend super happy, but at the same time, it completely gives away the surprise save that would've been a fucking awesome moment to see in the theater. Like in the Avengers trailer where they reveal Hulk saving Iron Man... It's rad to see but completely spoils it.

Yeah, I'm sure people in the cinema were going 'gee, Hulk saving Iron Man is cool but I remember seeing it in a trailer so I just can't enjoy this moment.'

I'm also amused that people raved about the shot of The Avengers stood in a circle waiting to fight enemies for months, replete with numerous memes, in a trailer which showed off the Chitauri Whale, but are suddenly furious that Batman, WW and Superman are staring down a stupid creature led by DC's manipulative wannabe messiah.

It's hypocritical and irritating.

 

[Toxi]

Yeah, I'm sure people in the cinema were going 'gee, Hulk saving Iron Man is cool but I remember seeing it in a trailer so I just can't enjoy this moment.'

I'm also amused that people raved about the shot of The Avengers stood in a circle waiting to fight enemies for months, replete with numerous memes, in a trailer which showed off the Chitauri Whale, but are suddenly furious that Batman, WW and Superman are staring down a stupid creature led by DC's manipulative wannabe messiah.

It's hypocritical and irritating.

Have you considered that maybe it's not hypocrisy, but that the scenes in the Avengers trailers were just better done/presented than the ones in this trailer?

 

[Scrooge McDuck]

Yeah, I'm sure people in the cinema were going 'gee, Hulk saving Iron Man is cool but I remember seeing it in a trailer so I just can't enjoy this moment.'

Evidently, at least two people thought so. There's no need to suddenly bring nebulous "people in the cinema" into the discussion. Some people think saving those kind of moments for the movie itself is better. Is it so hard to believe?

 

[wetwired]

It has. MANY times. And as others have noted it 'conveniently' removes Wonder Woman completely. Which is probably unintentional, but also kinda fucked up.

I didn't notice the lack of her until you mentioned it, that's shit

 

[DeathyBoy]

Have you considered that maybe it's not hypocrisy, but that the scenes in the Avengers trailers were just better done/presented than the ones in this trailer?

But the point of people's posts is 'this is bad because spoilers.' The Avengers trailer pulled the same 'team fighting? Meh. They join forces in the end.' Which made the first hour and a half pointless, because you knew where it was going. And my point is that in the end, it doesn't fucking matter, because we're not dealing with a mystery here or a thriller where we're trying to solve key questions (Who is Keyser Soze etc?.) It's a film about superheroes hitting stuff.

And it's doubly weird given it's been an open secret for months that Lex et al were going to experiment on Zod's corpse.

Evidently, at least two people thought so. There's no need to suddenly bring nebulous "people in the cinema" into the discussion. Some people think saving those kind of moments for the movie itself is better. Is it so hard to believe?

My point was that the film itself will either earn that moment within its context, or not. If the film is that bad, you won't enjoy it. If the film is that good, you will. It being shown in a trailer is moot.

 

[Theecliff]

yeah that was a terrible trailer that i wish i hadn't seen.

what's the point of having a trailer reveal to us that batman and superman are going to be all buddy buddy part way through the film when the film is called batman versus superman? all the conflict we've seen between them so far in this trailer and the last seems absolutely pointless when you show how it's resolved. lex luthor absolutely did not work in my opinion, weird delivery by eisenberg. and that wonder woman reveal was clumsy as all hell.

the last trailer had me fairly interested, this one has deflated that interest. gonna wait this film out

 

[ReiGun]

Have you considered that maybe it's not hypocrisy, but that the scenes in the Avengers trailers were just better done/presented than the ones in this trailer?

But that's not the argument being made in most cases. People are mad the team up and DD were shown at all.

Now if you wanna say the Avengers trailer was better edited, fine and I'd agree. But if you're upset that these things were revealed period in BvS, well, the Avengers did the exact same thing.

 

[Chariot]

Guys, he did know Bruce Wayne, after all he pecked him with questions about Gotham. He just didn't know the car. He ask who that is before he exits his vehicle. I think it's okay to not know the Waybe Mobile on your first meeting.

 

[The Driver]

Yeah, I'm sure people in the cinema were going 'gee, Hulk saving Iron Man is cool but I remember seeing it in a trailer so I just can't enjoy this moment.'

I'm also amused that people raved about the shot of The Avengers stood in a circle waiting to fight enemies for months, replete with numerous memes, in a trailer which showed off the Chitauri Whale, but are suddenly furious that Batman, WW and Superman are staring down a stupid creature led by DC's manipulative wannabe messiah.

It's hypocritical and irritating.

Lmao I was just about to post something like this earlier. Marvel didn't show the Chitauri army themselves for whatever dumb reason in the trailers for the Avengers but it didn't affect shit in the end because they had no real bearing on the story outside of jobbing to the Avengers.

Seems like the people up in arms about the Doomsday reveal are all too attached to the DoS's place in pop culture but can't seem to remember anything outside of it being important because Superman died, instead of remembering it was mostly an ass event produced to shock and sell comics and that Doomsday himself is ass.

Smh.

For the record, if you have a problem with the way the reveal was shot/edited, the banter at the end or w.e. I'm not talking about you, I'm talking about complaining Doomsday should have been saved for the movie. It ain't that big a deal. Doomsday sucks, he's there to get beat on, he probably won't have any bearing on the story outside of destruction.

 

[Shaanyboi]

I didn't notice the lack of her until you mentioned it, that's shit

Again, she's not. Look at 1:46. They just took the shot of her and her shield out of the context of a scene.

 

[DeathyBoy]

I also kinda love the shade DC's throwing at Marvel by having their three biggest superheroes beat the ever living shit out of a giant rage monster. The film needs to end with them building a space ship to send Doomsday to a planet where he can never hurt anyone again... but accidentally sending him to Apokolips.

 

[Alienous]

It has. MANY times. And as others have noted it 'conveniently' removes Wonder Woman completely. Which is probably unintentional, but also kinda fucked up.

Not for any other reason than to maintain the theme of 'Batman v Superman' for the trailer. Doomsday and heavily featuring Wonder Woman distracts from that. Really, it's like, make something focusing on 'BvS' or the 'Dawn of (the) Justice (League)', but both together is just showing the narrative arc of the film.

 

[onipex]

I also kinda love the shade DC's throwing at Marvel by having their three biggest superheroes beat the ever living shit out of a giant rage monster. The film needs to end with them building a space ship to send Doomsday to a planet where he can never hurt anyone again... but accidentally sending him to Apokolips.

Or a Boomtube opens and sucks Doomsday in.

 

[Frostinferno]

But the point of people's posts is 'this is bad because spoilers.' The Avengers trailer pulled the same 'team fighting? Meh. They join forces in the end.' Which made the first hour and a half pointless, because you knew where it was going. And my point is that in the end, it doesn't fucking matter, because we're not dealing with a mystery here or a thriller where we're trying to solve key questions (Who is Keyser Soze etc?.) It's a film about superheroes hitting stuff.

And it's doubly weird given it's been an open secret for months that Lex et al were going to experiment on Zod's corpse.

That movie's angle is about them forming a team. This movie's angle is about the two main characters going against each other. Poor comparison.

And regarding the second point, an "open secret" to whom, exactly? I've seen the trailers, heard everything Snyder had to say at SDCC, and from time to time checked out the discussions on GAF regarding the movie and not once did I see anything about Zod's corpse mentioned. In fact, seeing his corpse in the last trailer actually created a mystery (exactly what you brought up as something that mattered).

 

[Toxi]

If the stories of these movies don't matter because we're just going to see superheroes hit stuff, why is so much screen-time spent on developing them instead of showing the superheroes hitting stuff?

 

[neorej]

I also kinda love the shade DC's throwing at Marvel by having their three biggest superheroes beat the ever living shit out of a giant rage monster. The film needs to end with them building a space ship to send Doomsday to a planet where he can never hurt anyone again... but accidentally sending him to Apokolips.

 

[DerZuhälter]

Having recently seen The Man from UNCLE, I seriously can't understand why Henry Cavill seems so stale and boring as Superman. He had a lot more charme in Guy Ritchie's movie.

 

[Chariot]

Having recently seen The Man from UNCLE, I seriously can't understand why Henry Cavill seems so stale and boring as Superman. He had a lot more charme in Guy Ritchie's movie.

I think he is trying to hard to hit the iconic greater than life side of Superman.

 

[IconGrist]

Lot of misconceptions about the premise of the movie. The goddamn synopsis tells you they are going to team up. It's Batman v Superman. Not vs. Two different meanings. They told you they would fight and they will. The latter half of the movie is Dawn of Justice. It's right in the damn title.

The problem seems to be people's inability to take what's offered because they misunderstood a pretty blatant telling of the content.

 

[Alienous]

Lot of misconceptions about the premise of the movie. The goddamn synopsis tells you they are going to team up. It's Batman v Superman. Not vs. Two different meanings. They told you they would fight and they will. The latter half of the movie is Dawn of Justice. It's right in the damn title.

The problem seems to be people's inability to take what's offered because they misunderstood a pretty blatant telling of the content.

A lot of misconceptions about the complaints regarding the trailer.

I'm sure most people were expecting a team up. They just weren't expecting to be shown why in a trailer rather than in the film itself.

 

[Toxi]

It's Batman v Superman. Not vs. Two different meanings.

So this movie's actually about Batman taking Superman to court?

 

[DerZuhälter]

I think he is trying to hard to hit the iconic greater than life side of Superman.

A bit inconsistent though.

 

[PARANO1A]

I just watched the trailer again after stewing on it today. It really, really does appear to ruin the whole movie.

Here's what happens based on my view of the trailer:
- Superman gets positive / negative press after the last movie starting activism
- Backstory on 'old Batman' - dead Robin due to the Joker, grizzled veteran, etc
- Bruce Wayne comes to town and they 'coincidentally' meet. They don't get on (surprise!)
- Lex also happens to be around and meeting all our heroes because coincidence (similar to everyone in Xmen / Heroes always ending up being a mutant)
- Clashes in philosophy which tie back to hero fights - some small, some bigger
- Bigger fights means 'prep time' batman does his thing to even the odds
- Lex makes Doomsday using the dead Zod
- Supes and Batman team up to fight Doomsday but can't take him
- Wonderwoman shows up at a climactic moment to join the fight
- They win, everyone's happy.
- They say 'Justice League' in some unironic way, cut to sequels.

I know nothing about DC comics other than the odd game but damn that's a shitty way to ruin a 2 hour epic. Do people think I'm wrong or they just don't care?

 

[IconGrist]

A lot of misconceptions about the complaints regarding the trailer.

I'm sure most people were expecting a team up. They just weren't expecting to be shown why in a trailer rather than in the film itself.

Like I said. Why is in the synopsis. You mean who. And anybody who was even slightly paying attention to the last trailer would have figured that out immediately.

 

[Ashhong]

People thinking the Batman joke at the end is too out of place make me laugh. It's a trailer, there's a number of things that could be going on in that scene. To me, it actually looks like they aren't fighting at that very moment. I feel like WW is either lecturing them or maybe its after the threat is somewhat neutralized.

I can imagine her doing something awesome and the boys being relieved so they crack a joke. The line is going to be perfect in the movie

So this movie's actually about Batman taking Superman to court?

Maybe a battle of ideals?

 

[Chariot]

A bit inconsistent though.

Not sayinh the writing is good
Just referring to what the actor tries to accomplish in my eyes.

 

[The Hobo]

I really liked the scene between Bruce and Clark. Lex kinda ruined it. The trailer didn't do a lot to sell me on Eisenberg as Lex.

There was no need to spoil Doomsday though. You gotta keep some kind of big reveal for the movie itself.

But overall, I'm looking forward to Batman v Superman.

 

[Ashhong]

I really liked the scene between Bruce and Clark. Lex kinda ruined it. The trailer didn't do a lot to sell me on Eisenberg as Lex.

There was no need to spoil Doomsday though. You gotta keep some kind of big reveal for the movie itself.

But overall, I'm looking forward to Batman v Superman.

How did they spoil doomsday if we don't even know that is doomsday? And how do you know there isn't a big reveal still happening? Them fighting some ugly ass monster with I'm assuming no character development is not a big reveal.

 

[Discotheque]

the writing was great in the first minute I think, that was just a really fun exchange between all 3. I was smirking the whole time, god damn what a waste trailer after that party scene though. some cool shots in there but the music and editing was amateur hour. and doomsday sucks, please just fight him for like 7 minutes.

WB normally puts out such good trailers. Just this year alone we had some god tier marketing for Mad Max and Creed, not to mention the previous batman v superman teasers.

 

[Toxi]

Maybe a battle of ideals?

Christ, I was joking.

 

[tattooed_dwarf]

Biggest problem I have is that this shows that Batman vs Superman don't seems to hold much weight, both seem quite unscathed. I still hope Batman puts Superman in his place, at least mentally.

 

[Ashhong]

Christ, I was joking.

Well obviously. You'd be surprised at how many people don't think about what else it could mean though.