I think killing Rachel was the only legit surprise here. Personally I expect the villains to die rather than survive, and killing off Superman's parents isn't any more ballsy than killing Uncle Ben; it's a part of the origin story, there's no tension about whether it'll happen because of course it'll happen.
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Batman vs Superman: World's Finest Three-Year Wait
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I think killing Rachel was the only legit surprise here. Personally I expect the villains to die rather than survive, and killing off Superman's parents isn't any more ballsy than killing Uncle Ben; it's a part of the origin story, there's no tension about whether it'll happen because of course it'll happen.
Yep. The audience doesn't need to believe a character can actually die to feel engrossed during action sequences. And character deaths can ring hollow too if done wrong. That applies to non-superhero action movies too, tension is created with a balanced tone, good cinematography and choreography. To stay on topic, Iron Man 2 does it bad, Winter Soldier does it good.
Freedom = $1.05
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but really, will Clark get his vengeance on that tornado or what
I don't disagree with you, but they did.
Most of Marvel's deaths.. like said are either retconned or minor characters.
Even stuff like Tony's parents death is done before the movies and never really gone into detail on.
Schweinehund
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inc retcon
Most people were doubtful we'd get a teaser, the ad listing on ispot was the only thing that gave credence to the idea.
Jables Swan
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I thought this was a thread about Batman vs Superman, but I guess I shouldn't be surprised that with DC films being so shitty everyone would rather talk about Marvel instead.
Ice cold.
I thought this was a thread about Batman vs Superman, but I guess I shouldn't be surprised that with DC films being so shitty everyone would rather talk about Marvel instead.
Yep, instead of talking about the DCCU's shitty film we're talking about the MCU's shitty films
Marion Cobretti
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New pic of Snyder on set.
Schweinehund
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New pic of Snyder on set.
Those symbols look like hieroglyphs.
Black Adam confirmed.
New pic of Snyder on set.
I really hope he cuts the Jesus imagery out of this...
unholyrevenger72
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You'll take your Jesus/Moses allegory and enjoy it.
It was so low key and well done in MoS though..
New pic of Snyder on set.
Waynes' Family er... what do you call the fancy like final resting places?
Crypts?
It's inherent in the origin, but after its played lip service it generally isn't revisited. JMS's Earth One was drenched in religious allegory (like Babylon 5), but volume 2 and on are completely devoid of that layer.
Mausoleum
Save for the hooker he forgives and who becomes a better person by knowing the redeemer.
Sibersk Esto
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Be cool if Superman movies could get rid of the jesus stuff and go with the Doc Savage 1940s pulp adventure hero who learns that flinging mobsters halfway across the city isn't very conducive to cleaning up your city.
Eh, maybe? Since he sleeps with her, I think it kinda throws it out the window unless we're going gnostic.
DeathoftheEndless
Crashing this plane... with no survivors!
New pic of Snyder on set.
A full moon? So Superman's finally going to turn into a giant blood-thirsty ape?
Superman is like Jesus, but he bangs hookers. Batman is like Superman, but he bangs thieves. And Wonder Woman? She's amazon-ing.
That should be the tagline for Batman vs Superman.
Yeah agreed. I mean is Batman really ever in danger? No we all know he's going to win in the end. However the way Marvel treats their villians is something I vehemently disagree with. They serve more as cannon fodder and a plot device than actually standing on their own two feet.
$4.5M is chump change for a company who said they'll spend, what $2B yearly on marketing?
You're very wrong. Batman may have beaten his foes, but he never "won" in the Nolan movies. Each one of them had him losing
-Begins:his hope for a normal life. His house. His mentor. His reputation.
- TDK: His love. His good name. Many victims.
- TDKR: His possessions, many many victims. His life.
See? Dramatic gravitas.
I have a good feeling about Suicide Squad.Not to be one-upped
Ayer tweeted this with #tools
New pic of Snyder on set.
Someone's going to Photoshop Batfleck over this and it's going to look hilarious.
BadAss2961
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Looks like Deadshot's arsenal.Not to be one-upped
Ayer tweeted this with #tools
Not to be one-upped
Ayer tweeted this with #tools
Must have pre-ordered to get those golden attachments.
Schweinehund
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unholyrevenger72
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Yeah, Color palette matches
The best DC comics are not Batman or Superman just to let you know
It's more like Animal Man, Swamp Thing, Hellblazer etc...
Schweinehund
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Seems likely. Guessing Deathstroke will be a villain in the movie, that or the gun belongs to Rick Flag (though he strikes me as more h2h and custom guns seem more deadshot territory).
GringoSuave89
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Lack of a BvS teaser saddens me, but all the Suicide Squad teases makes me pumped.
I don't think it was ever meant for JA, that was just long running speculation.
Even assuming it was though, you can totally understand pulling it to prevent JA's bad press from being connected with BvS... "The WB lets their auteur directors run amok with big budgets but nothing to keep them check! Blah blah blah!"
Jupiter isn't tracking very good, I think they're keeping it until they can ride a good hype train.
GringoSuave89
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Not an incorrect statement.
Schweinehund
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I think it's better to put it online first in the long run. They want as much attention as they can get and it might be seen as a scummy move to make people go see a movie they don't want to see. Probably looking to see if they can beat trailer #'s for Jurassic World, Ant Man, Star Wars or Avengers 2, see if they can gauge interest and change marketing as needed.
Discotheque
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Nothing will beat the Star Wars trailer in views this year but the batman superman one will definitely get a lot of buzz
Either way it should have been put in front of Jupiter ascending this weekend
(And released online day before or something)
Either way it should have been put in front of Jupiter ascending this weekend
(And released online day before or something)
GringoSuave89
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If I were a betting man, yes. We all hope for sooner, but this scenario seems the most likely.
The teaser will be out before Mad Max... what it is with who knows, but I'm assuming we'll see it before May
OneEyedKing
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Mad Max and/or The Avengers will definitely have it.
BadAss2961
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People will talk about that regardless... The brunt of BvS' marketing will be after the MCU has settled for the year, so whatever Marvel's doing has no bearing on this film going forward.
They won't be talking about that if the trailer comes out before avengers. It needs to come out before so that it doesn't get overshadowed. Or at least a month after avengers imo
Ninja Scooter
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This honestly doesn't make any sense to me. It's not like a teaser/trailer of BvS is going to do anything to Avengers. It's Batman and Superman. It's going to get attention no matter when they release it. Even if it's a month or two after Avengers, or a month before. It doesn't really matter.
BadAss2961
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Yeah... The Avengers is going to have it's run, nothing will stop it. BvS is going to have its run, nothing will stop it.
Whether the campaign starts now, or a few weeks after Avengers when the bandwagon is done rolling, neither movie will affect the other. Warner can play it either way.
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