I get where you're coming from. Pa Kent's character was half baked at best, and if they wanted him to be a source of conflict for Clark, it would have been better if they had gone the full nine yards. That said, I still personally would have preferred a more comics accurate portrayal as the inspirational, human father of Kal-El.
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Batman vs Superman: World's Finest Three-Year Wait
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Not super hot on Leto's haircut but I'm sure in makeup and shit he'll look pretty good. Wonder more about what kind of laugh he's gonna have.
I think honestly, what I want the most is the best Batman action possible. Snyder already gave us the best Superman action on film and I want him to do the same for Batman, namely I want the absolutely vicious Batman that doesn't mess around and breaks bone when it's necessary. I'd also like them to play up Affleck's height and mass, we already got a ninjaesque Batman, let's see something new.
I think honestly, what I want the most is the best Batman action possible. Snyder already gave us the best Superman action on film and I want him to do the same for Batman, namely I want the absolutely vicious Batman that doesn't mess around and breaks bone when it's necessary. I'd also like them to play up Affleck's height and mass, we already got a ninjaesque Batman, let's see something new.
Marion Cobretti
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He's a veteran Batman, it's being directed by Snyder, and Affleck looks massive in the suit.
It's a guess, but I think it's safe to bet that this is going to be one very brutal Batman. A very efficient master tactician at that.
It's a guess, but I think it's safe to bet that this is going to be one very brutal Batman. A very efficient master tactician at that.
A.D. Skinner
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I want that Batman that looks to take dudes out with one blow, and I think massive stubbly Batman is the one!
Miles Quaritch
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I'm really curious to know how involved Snyder is in designing this Joker.
So we're potentially getting this version of the Joker on the big screen?
Schweinehund
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Looks more end game joker, which is pretty much a genius joker, master planner, psychotic. TDKR joker was psychotic but I wouldn't call him a master planner, not on the level of end game joker.
So we're potentially getting this version of the Joker on the big screen?
Gotta save that rendition for Bardem.
I always thought the best Superman stories was when he was not relatable....the best parts are always when everyone was just staring at awe at the guy.
Seemed like a pretty good planner in TDK to me.
Marion Cobretti
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Ledger Joker was kinda suave, and a pretty good planner considering he was all about chaos. I think Leto Joker is gonna be pure nuts and uncontrollable. Perhaps genius as well.
Sibersk Esto
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Leto looks like he's going for Batman R.I.P joker
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Schweinehund
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TDKR = The Dark Knight Returns.
Nolan's Joker was a good planner, but I wouldn't say he was as psychotic as Snyder's take on Joker. I recommend anyone that's a Joker fan to read Death of a Family, End Game and the Batman annuals. Batman Annual 3 & the back up stories in End Game is the take on Joker I'm hoping for in the movies.
This is a frustrating criticism because people play a ridiculous game of semantics and equivocation that shouldn't be taken seriously.
When describing realism with respect to an approach to adapted fiction, rarely does anyone mean, "we're going to undermine the fantastic elements that make up that piece of fiction."
Rather, it's simply a tool for some aspect(s) of the work... as Blader has pointed out repeatedly, in Nolan's case, the world (not necessarily the character). Thus raising strawmen about intrinsically imaginative and fanciful elements- like aliens, goddesses, or viable vigilantes- is an intellectually dishonest allegation... as if there is, or should be, no difference or preference between Batman '66, Batman: TAS, and Batman Begins simply by virtue that viable vigilantism is unrealistic. That's an absurd argument devoid of value since there are reasons to recommend any of those approaches over the other... but the fact that viable vigilantism is fanciful has no bearing whatsoever.
So again, here, Blader is describing the application of the tool to the world, not necessarily the characters... but Rooster is equivocating a relatable world to relatable characters (which may be part of it, but not explicitly stated in the post). Part of the reason that Kingdom Come has as powerful an impact as it does, is because Alex Ross painted off of photographed models in that Norman Rockwell hyperrealism approach. Compared to other comics artwork at the time, Kingdom Come was far and away realistic visually, but nonetheless did not, necessarily, need to betray Superman as "awe inspiring"... in fact, the story is precipitated by the idea that Superman's exile causes the heroes to retire or darken.
And, in fact, I doubt you can find any Superman that isn't relatable on some level. Kingdom Come is about being hurt when reality doesn't meet your ideals, trying again but seeing your good intentions go awry. All-Star is what you would do with your last days on Earth if unfettered by normal constraints. Etc.
Of course, the internet lacks nuance and tools like "realism" and "relatability" get ridiculously reduced into "realism means nothing fantastic" and "relatability means no awe or inspiration."
Kenzodielocke
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he now reminds me of Farin Urlaub (leadsinger of Die Aerzte)
Ah, I was thinking of the movie. Haven't read comics in forever.
Wow she's gorgeous. She and Michelle gonna make a great Wonder Woman movie.
#1 defender
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he now reminds me of Farin Urlaub (leadsinger of Die Aerzte)
That's appropriate, because Farin always reminded me of Conrad Veidt in The Man Who Laughs, who was an inspiration for The Joker.
I just wanted to say that this is a fantastic post. Cheers Dave. 🍻
lol NO, I'm seeing it reported on another site/twitter
it's likely not even real but in the event that it is, maybe it's coming soon
It's 4chan. If it was real, it'd be already out.
Delta Assault
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Richard Donner used the word " verisimilitude" which is probably nearer to the idea without allowing for misinterpretation.
I read something like that too, seems more than a little bull shitty.
According to El Mayimbe, Chris Pine is being considered to play GL. Take it with a grain of salt obviously.
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I'd be down for that.
That'd be a really safe choice for DC... Hm.
Miles Quaritch
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Sigh, we don't need another Hal Jordon. There are better GL characters to choose from, why not go with John Stewart or Kyle Rayner?
Bobby Roberts
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Fuck Hal Jordan. Worst Green Lantern. Nothing about him has ever really been appealing, especially in contrast to those who came before AND after him.
broncobuster
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Back during Green Lantern '11 casting, when we didn't know better, Chris Pine's name kept in rumors and I was into it. Now most rumors are pointing towards John Stewart. If it had to be Hal, Pine is all right. I doubt it will be Hal.
Sinestro wouldn't work well without Hal Jordan....actually it probably wouldn't make a lick of sense.
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how is it you can be so level headed one minute and a complete fanboy the next?
better than wet blanket Stewart and rageaholic Gardner. clearly you've never read Emerald Dawn. Kyle? please.
OricWindstar
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I love John Stewart, but I don't get the hate for Hal. Maybe I'm wrong, but it just sounds like people who have only seen the cartoon deciding to hate a character because he's not the one they grew up with. And I'm saying that as someone who grew up with and loves the JL animated universe.
Either one is good for me.
Either one is good for me.
Also, good point. If we're going the Sinestro route, Hal seems the obvious choice.
Hal has often been accused of being the most generic lantern which isn't too far off. I'm a fan of Hal but in the past, he's been a bit of a no-nonsense straightforward character without too many glaring flaws. Even his stint as Parallax which gave him a defining role was retconed as the product of a fear virus. I like him, but he's often portrayed as very vanilla compared to the other lanterns.
Yeah, I kinda need Sinestro... and I don't think Flash has as good of a banter with John Stewart either... they'll need it to combat the seriousness that is the World's Finest
Miles Quaritch
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Couldn't they just say the last GL movie is canon and either start the movie with Hal dying and the ring going to someone else or have it mentioned at some point that Hal died and just move on.
I mean, I'd quite like Sinestro in any GL movie too, but I'd much rather see a different GL take the lead.
As Bobby rightly points out, Hal is the worst GL...
I disagree. John Stewart is the worst Green Lantern. He's just so bland. I'd take Hal Jordan, Guy Gardner, or Kyle Rayner any day of the week over him. Hell, if the Green Lantern in Justice League were any of these guys, I wouldn't complain.
Miles Quaritch
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I guess I have fond memories of John Stewart from the Justice League cartoon. Would be make for a better live action GL than Rayner? Nope, but I'd certainly take him over Hal.
Whenever I think of Hal Jordan GL, I can't shake the memory of Reynolds in that godawful mask. It's just burnt into my memory as a reminder of how bad comic book movies could get...
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John Stewart has been the GL for many people for years now. He's already familiar to many who grew up with the JL television renditions.
The only justification I see for Hal Jordan being attempted twice, is that WB feels more comfortable with a white GL leading a movie even though that didn't help much the last time.
The only justification I see for Hal Jordan being attempted twice, is that WB feels more comfortable with a white GL leading a movie even though that didn't help much the last time.
Marion Cobretti
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Hal is bland? I thought he was supposed to be the funny guy.
Correct me if wrong.
Correct me if wrong.
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