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Batman vs Superman: World's Finest Three-Year Wait
- Thread starter Marion Cobretti
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What about the Crime Syndicate? Would be way better than going the Darkseid route. You would also be introducing the multiverse concept that superhero films haven't touched before.
Same problem if the film is gonna introduce additional heroes and teams, you don't want to do their evil doppleganger at the same time.
Especially if audiences are unfamilar with the actual heroes.
If they were going the Marvel route, the Legion of Doom/Injustice Society could have worked.
JL1: Darkseid
JL2: Supervillain team-up/ JLA v JL
JL3: Crisis on Infinite Earths bringing together their TV shows and Movie Universe as parallel worlds.
GringoSuave89
Banned
I cannot see Darkseid being in Justice League right out the gate. No way. To do him justice you need to set up a lot of world building.
Why not some incarnation of the Legion of Doom? We're probably gonna get a crap ton of characters like Flash and Aquaman people will have limited knowledge about. Why not introduce their main enemies as well, like Captain Cold and Black Manta? They're already taking a gamble, might as well go all out.
Why not some incarnation of the Legion of Doom? We're probably gonna get a crap ton of characters like Flash and Aquaman people will have limited knowledge about. Why not introduce their main enemies as well, like Captain Cold and Black Manta? They're already taking a gamble, might as well go all out.
TheKaeptain
Banned
No really he does. He gets wrecked all the time especially magic users.
As much as I'm annoyed by the "bloated" comments that have dogged this movie, even I have to admit that the Legion right out the gate would be too much. Especially since you lose out on the main reason the Legion works: their individual grudges against the League. Doing that in the movie would involve a ton of exposition.
I think people, if they actually bothered to read the comics, would be surprised by how many foes beat the shit out of Superman regularly.
Dude used to have to flat out run from Mongul.
m_shortpants
Member
Can you even do a Darkseid tier villian in film? I mean, Superman, Shazam, and WW are fine but what the hell is Batman going to be doing, realistically? Unless he's just being a tactician from afar.
The JLA doesn't (or at least, they shouldn't) get out of bed for anything less than a potentially world ending threat, so a normal guy like Batman is always going to feel like the odd one out. That said, it's Batman. Audiences will go with it because they like the character and Batman being a member of the League is a known part of the character's history.
Can sneak around and attack an exposed weakness with explosives etc. Fly around in the Batwing. Use the opportunity to hack into enemy systems. Walk up to the enemy and tell them "In my hand, I have a trigger ready to blow up your entire planet. Let my world go or we all die." There are ways you can keep him busy.
Finaika
Member
He could throw batarangs from a distance.
Schweinehund
Member
Just watch a few episodes of JLU and you'll get an idea. They'll probably have him fight furies or parademons, he'll just strap on some Wararmor or his shock gloves + have him outwit darkseid in some way.
DC has a tough spot with Shazam, his rogue gallery is pretty sparse. Mr. Mind is more of a behind the scenes villain and Sivana is very similar to Lex. The obvious choice is Black Adam, but that leaves potential sequels high and dry unless they pull villains from other characters (Wotan, Mordru, Eclipso).
DC totally going to make JSA movie now, Black Canary + Green Arrow (cash in on that Arrow goodness), Shazam, Hawkman, Power Girl, Mr. Terrific, Stargirl plz.
After comic con we may need to make a DCU thread, we're obviously going into more stuff than just BvS.
DC has a tough spot with Shazam, his rogue gallery is pretty sparse. Mr. Mind is more of a behind the scenes villain and Sivana is very similar to Lex. The obvious choice is Black Adam, but that leaves potential sequels high and dry unless they pull villains from other characters (Wotan, Mordru, Eclipso).
DC totally going to make JSA movie now, Black Canary + Green Arrow (cash in on that Arrow goodness), Shazam, Hawkman, Power Girl, Mr. Terrific, Stargirl plz.
After comic con we may need to make a DCU thread, we're obviously going into more stuff than just BvS.
I always thought a take on Morrison's Prometheus story made the most sense for a first Justice League movie. Batman's keeping tabs on all the other heroes, a villain hacks into these files and uses that info against them. What better way to unite the team than by forcing them together like that?
I feel like the ending would be difficult
It's easier when they are already a team and dealing with betrayal, but why team up with someone keeping files on you.
Would also need to introduce most of the league in BvS for that to make sense. And not in like minor roles
Batman can out think, out bluff and out play the villain every time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKONxDF9epo&sns=em
Bobby Roberts
Banned
George Miller's script for Justice League Mortal did that really well, actually.
Sibersk Esto
Banned
Shilling, but wrote this up like 2 years ago when a JL movie was first rumored.
Possible villains and why should and shouldn't do IMO
http://nerdsontherocks.com/justice-league-movie-villains-poll/
Possible villains and why should and shouldn't do IMO
http://nerdsontherocks.com/justice-league-movie-villains-poll/
Gordon Shumway
Banned
OP, I hate that joker gif! Make it say "Laurence" not fucking Prince!!! The hell is going on around here!?
I'll assume it's been mentioned 1000 times.. 
m_shortpants
Member
I totally get that. But I think it works better in the animated universe than it would on live action film.
I could see him being a tactician and blowing infrastructure up. But not facing off against a big bad.
This scene was so fantastic. That movie was great.
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
Member
It's weird how convention wisdom for making a film used to be "lets put as much awesome stuff in this film as possible and hopefully it will make money and we can do a sequel" and now it's changed to "lets hold off thing everyone wants to see for the third movie after we've made dozens of other movies featuring solo characters".
Mighty Chin
Banned
With Comics there are so many tent pole storylines that need backstory to pull off properly.
Sibersk Esto
Banned
I do miss the early Raimi Spidey days for that reason. Blow it all in one movie, start fresh on a new one, carry over some story elements.
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
Member
Yet it didn't seem to be a problem pre-marvel U.
X-Men 1 introduced all of the X-Men, Magneto, the entire Brotherhood, and Sabretooth and it was well-received.
Spider-Man gave us Spider-Man and the Green Goblin's origins and it was a huge hit.
Batman 89 skipped most of the backstory and went right into the Joker and that was a huge hit.
etc etc
BadAss2961
Member
Isn't that what they are doing with Batman V Superman?
At least beyond Superman it sounds like
BadAss2961
Member
They'll hit the ground running with Batman. Snyder himself pretty much said so awhile back.
Sibersk Esto
Banned
G-Fex, you're gonna watch the auteur Zack Snyder update Batman's harrowing origin in a black and white slow motion flashback complete with:
*slow-motion walking
*rain
*the killer will be completely shrouded in shadow
*Mama Wayne's pearls will snap and fall on the ground in slow-motion
*Young Bruce kneeling next to his parent's corpses under a street lamp with the Bat symbol being formed out of...something
*Capped off with Ben Affleck waking up sweating and breathing through his mouth
Mighty Chin
Banned
X1? People were so excited just to get it. Doesn't mean it was good. Bastard characterization IMO but stellar casting.
Spider-Man is solo character, they started off exactly how they should have. With the exception of killing GG. To me that is a near perfect start of a franchise.
Batman? How old are you? That movie was gonna be a hit regardless. That movie interwove his backstory to a degree. But it's batman and his backstory is ingrained into pop culture much like Superman. If only WB realized we don't need a origin story every time the movie is relaunched.
As for other Marvel properties, they need a build up. They were not as popular or well known.
BTW I was Ecstatic that Burton didn't choose to go Origin route but start him off already as Batman. That should be done more often I think.
Avengers needed it though.
Mighty Chin
Banned
Awesome, I can picture it.
BadAss2961
Member
lol. Yeah, it's probably time for them to stop showing this.
A Dr. Manhattan style montage for Batman would give me a stiffy though.
Avengers changed the game. Kinda sucks cause I'd rather get as much of the good stuff in the first one then see what they come up with for the following than feeling like we're just getting foreplay before some big superhero orgy. The stronger the individual movies, the more I'll want to see the team up.
All this talk of "needing to build up" seems more like fans projecting what they want than anything.
Sibersk Esto
Banned
You can just hear the Zimmer soundtrack in your head during this scene can't you?
DRUMSDRUMSDRUMSDRUMSDRUMS
*haunting melody sung by female opera singer
horns swell up as young Bruce looks up in the sky, only to end as Batfleck wakes up
It's so predictable how can it not be true?
Batman's origin is SOOOOOOOOOOOO IMPORTANT THAT WE MUST EMPHASIZE ITS DRAMATIZATION
Marion Cobretti
Member
Zimmer is gonna destroy everyone with how good the soundtrack is. You guys are nuts.
Never forget.
http://youtu.be/dwYatpwrs8s
Never forget.
http://youtu.be/dwYatpwrs8s
Sibersk Esto
Banned
I will enjoy his Batman Begins theme remix as the DVD commentary points out how clever it is as a "homage" and "call-back"
Mighty Chin
Banned
Great Preview, better than the movie.
I don't like Zimmer I want a Score to accompany me on a journey not beat me into submission.
I am okay with it beating me into submission, I just would prefer it be a bit more varied as it does it.
Discotheque
Banned
His Lone Ranger and inception soundtracks were legitimately fantastic for his recent stuff
I think with the superhero movies the studio wants him to go louder and louder
Aside from ottman's work on xmen though it's the most memorable shit you'll be getting out of the genre in the future
Other comic book properties (from marvel and sony) have had some lackluster music that is hard to recall lately
BadAss2961
Member
So even Zimmer is being questioned now?
Discotheque
Banned
He's still the best man on the job right now alongside John ottman
Unless da gawd Danny elfman comes back. His work on Spider-Man, hulk and batman is just god damn
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