FloydtheFathead
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They left out the best part. The best part was that they said the dead basketball player was a drug dealer.
So yeah Baylor is probably the second scummiest university in the country
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Baylor rape scandal: Art Briles fired, Ken Starr "transitioned" to chancellor
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So yeah Baylor is probably the second scummiest university in the country
They're probably doing an emergency hiring of a new permanent head coach (and ad ... I think he's gone as well even though it says he's suspended) before the season and that head coach will terminate every other coach.
cartographer
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From Baylor's release:
So other people have likely lost their job. But it appears many (all?) coaches other than Briles are still there. Which doesn't make a lot of sense without having the full report.
Pristine_Condition
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No. The official statement said that other coaches and athletic department staff would be terminated, but they are not naming those people. Most likely though, everybody on the coaching staff will eventually be gone. Even under normal circumstances, when a new head coach comes into a program, he likes to have "his guys" in place, and staffers from the old regime have, at best, usually only the transitional season before they are replaced. Usually everybody from position coaches to the strength and conditioning guys will be replaced ASAP by the new coach.
EDIT: Beaten
You can feel ashamed, but also be a force for change. Alumni steering funds away from the school and painting it in a negative light might get their ass in gear and result in real changes to the school.
Just by avoiding complaints about witch hunts and how any punishment only hurts people not actually involved you'll be like ten steps ahead of Penn State people.
Also agreed. On top of everything else, they ATTACK a victim for reporting being victimized?
Fuck Baylor. It's trash.
I think their football team will be okay.
For now, DC Phil Bennett is being promoted to interim HC and Kendall Briles is still on staff... I would guess next season is when they clean house and bring in new coaching staff. Hopefully kids that just signed their LOI are able to leave without penalty.
Roland_Gunner
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Remember that Bennett is the guy who was pushing for Sam Ukwuachu to be brought back to the team. He's as dirty as Briles.
Haloid1177
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Wouldn't surprise me if Briles ends up as an NFL coach next season though.
FloydtheFathead
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Holy shit.. They really are trying to take Penn State's crown.
Burn this bitch to the ground someone.. Pls?
Ninja Scooter
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http://deadspin.com/baylor-player-jumps-to-defend-art-briles-attempts-to-t-1778961915
A Baylor player already went on a little mini rant defending his former coach. This kind of shit is a perfect example of why if the NCAA had any moral compass they should have nuked Penn St off the map, and should hand Baylor the death penalty (and should be more open to using it in general). Dumbfucks like this guy infest college football programs, from the players and fans all the way up the ladder, who think any reprehensible behavior should be excused because "he coached me good". It's a fucking toxic mentality and I wish the ncaa held these programs more accountable and constantly held the threat of "this could all go away if you don't keep yourself in check" over their head. But instead the ncaa is morally bankrupt so we will probably continue to live in a world where Reggie Bush's parents taking a house from an agent is a worse offense than covering up for rape and pedophilia.
A Baylor player already went on a little mini rant defending his former coach. This kind of shit is a perfect example of why if the NCAA had any moral compass they should have nuked Penn St off the map, and should hand Baylor the death penalty (and should be more open to using it in general). Dumbfucks like this guy infest college football programs, from the players and fans all the way up the ladder, who think any reprehensible behavior should be excused because "he coached me good". It's a fucking toxic mentality and I wish the ncaa held these programs more accountable and constantly held the threat of "this could all go away if you don't keep yourself in check" over their head. But instead the ncaa is morally bankrupt so we will probably continue to live in a world where Reggie Bush's parents taking a house from an agent is a worse offense than covering up for rape and pedophilia.
Violence Jack
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I think he was already receiving some interests from a few teams last offseason.
The way some schools have completely dismissed a coach's lack of judgment, character and previous transgressions in the past just for the sake of having a winning football program makes me think that some school is going to think he's worth the risk as we've seen with guys like Bobby Petrino. Granted, Petrino didn't have anything like this happen under his watch at his previous schools, and it may not happen with Briles, but I absolutely believe a school will consider him once this blows over in the media.
Having said all of that, I'd be glad if this were the end of his coaching career. Dude is a piece of shit through and through.
I hope she and the other accusers sue the fuck out of Baylor.
GitarooMan
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I am glad they finally took some action on this.
Right and I am sure these guys who may stay on staff played a roll as well.
Bro, briles has a better shot at coaching a team in Huntsville than ever coaching in the NCAA again.
Pristine_Condition
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I think thats correct.
https://twitter.com/TaylorHamm247/status/735868529077944320
CORRECTION: That's an Aggy reporter, so it could just be a troll.
Problem Attic
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Baylor Alum here,
I'm embarrassed and disappointed about this whole situation; it's hard to be a part of an institution that could've helped someone in need but chose not to. And I get that football is at the heart of the issue, but it's really much bigger than that (I won't dismiss the oversights of the athletic department; anyone who tried to cover anything up, needs to go, although that's probably getting off lightly). The school ignored the cases of several women, not just those from male athletes, so I hope that in the coming weeks/months, the community is able to vet out everyone responsible (athletics personnel, school administration, Baylor DPS, Waco PD, etc.).
As terrible as all this is, I do think there are some positive takeaways from the investigation that will help not just Baylor, but the whole collegiate system moving forward. New safeguards will be put in place and hopefully some future wrongs will be prevented. This, of course, doesn't change what happened, but I hope that the victims can find some solace in the outcome, as well as getting whatever else they need in some sort of financial compensation. I empathize with them as a former fellow student and hope they can find peace knowing an effort is being made where it wasn't before.
I'm embarrassed and disappointed about this whole situation; it's hard to be a part of an institution that could've helped someone in need but chose not to. And I get that football is at the heart of the issue, but it's really much bigger than that (I won't dismiss the oversights of the athletic department; anyone who tried to cover anything up, needs to go, although that's probably getting off lightly). The school ignored the cases of several women, not just those from male athletes, so I hope that in the coming weeks/months, the community is able to vet out everyone responsible (athletics personnel, school administration, Baylor DPS, Waco PD, etc.).
As terrible as all this is, I do think there are some positive takeaways from the investigation that will help not just Baylor, but the whole collegiate system moving forward. New safeguards will be put in place and hopefully some future wrongs will be prevented. This, of course, doesn't change what happened, but I hope that the victims can find some solace in the outcome, as well as getting whatever else they need in some sort of financial compensation. I empathize with them as a former fellow student and hope they can find peace knowing an effort is being made where it wasn't before.
Saren is Bad
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Yeah. I mean I can't even concentrate at work today. Already want to throw all my Baylor gear out and never step foot in our new stadium again.
tiggerkiddo
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Shut the athletics department down in Waco.
The feds have experience with that. You could ask them.
And lets not be crazy comparing this to Penn state. That was its own special brand of fucked.
Frozenprince
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Good. Hope he never gets a job again.
It's about time we finally start seeing what's more important than football.
Now begins the real test, can Baylor learn from this and actually change the way it deals with allegations of sexual assault, or is all of this just going through the motions. The fact that Starr has kept a high level job leads me to believe it's the latter.
It's about time we finally start seeing what's more important than football.
Now begins the real test, can Baylor learn from this and actually change the way it deals with allegations of sexual assault, or is all of this just going through the motions. The fact that Starr has kept a high level job leads me to believe it's the latter.
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How can the AD and KEN MUTHAFUKIN STAR, still remain employed? I sincerely hope the school gets closed down and people go to jail.
Frozenprince
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Ken knows people.
This will change nothing, reading the report, Briles was made the scapegoat. He deserves to be gone and he'll be writing a LOT of big checks, not saying that, but Briles will be used as the one to blame everything on while the rest pat themselves on the back.
Not to mention the little episode with NCAA and University of Miami. Apparently, the NCAA had Nevin Shapiro's defense attorney on their payroll.
If the NCAA can't even follow any rules, how are we supposed to feel if institutions like Baylor and Penn State look the other way?
FloydtheFathead
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First that made me laugh.
Second maybe a bit of hyperbole on my part.. But still pretty fucked.
Frozenprince
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I'v seen Penn State fans rally behind Baylor fans on this so.
They aren't as far apart as they should be. I suppose.
This is what I don't completely get. How are those two on staff when it's likely they had a hand in it or knew what was going on.
Hasphat'sAnts
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Haha, Diana from Deadspin just went scorched earth on Baylor.
http://deadspin.com/baylor-is-full-of-shit-1778933505
Good. This is the most transparent attempt to obfuscate accountability I've seen in a lonnnnng time.
http://deadspin.com/baylor-is-full-of-shit-1778933505
Good. This is the most transparent attempt to obfuscate accountability I've seen in a lonnnnng time.
Yep. I really hate how they're trying to use Title IX to deal with this (and letting the freaking NCAA run it) rather than stepping up actual federal enforcement with federal oversight. NCAA will just scapegoat students (both accusers and accused) and hide it as long as they can without doing a single actual thing about it.
That article was glorious.
hodayathink
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Which would make Baylor the only school in the past 20-30 years to have 2 coaches of 2 different sports get show caused, I think.
TheDarkKnight774
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It's about time. They should be brought up on charges.
hodayathink
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If there's one thing the Penn State case has shown, it's not so much that the NCAA won't death penalty a program for transgressions like this (I mean, it's probably true that they won't death penalty a major conference program again), but that they can't. Penn State sued them for the lackluster punishment that they did receive, and indications are that they would have won. Once you get beyond the basic cheating on the field or screwing with eligibility/amateurism, the NCAA doesn't really have any teeth when it comes to what they can do in terms of punishing programs. To focus on the "other Baylor incident", the punishment there wasn't even because one of the players killed another player, or that one of the players was dealing drugs on the side, it was because the coach was paying both players (and others), was telling players he would pay them when recruiting them, and lied to the NCAA directly about it. If Baylor athletics is going to get killed right now, it would have to be the Department of Education that did it, not the NCAA.
Ad is suspended, but they'll probably terminate him. Starr's contract expires in three months. The only thing saving Starr is that the AD went rogue on him, although he's fucked for not having that department set up in time, and when it was set up it was completely powerless.
I mean no shit? It's a report commissioned by Baylor to mitigate damage done to the school as a whole, real fun begins when the DoE jumps in.
Frozenprince
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This. The NCAA can't do anything about it, I'm sure they want too, I'm sure that there is overwhelming desire to shut the thing down.
But they can't, they don't have the ability to do so.
Title IX is all DoE. NCAA can actually do something about this (as Title IX infractions are in their bylaws I think; were for some reason they didn't have the foresight to ban and tolerate childrape), but they'll let the DoE to the heavy lifting instead. Briles is going to get show caused though at least.
Frozenprince
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And given the scope and breadth of the issue here, I expect a litany of jail time, sentences handed out, massive fines, a SHITLOAD of lawsuits, removal of federal funding.
And maybe, if we get lucky, the total shutdown of the Baylor football program.
Yeah, it's going to be a clusterfuck.
http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/inclusion/gender-equity/title-ix-important-facts
SchrodingerC
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It's so depressing and horrific how children and women are sacrificed for college football. As long as the team is winning, who cares if people are ruined in the process, right?
Fuckin' Football cults.
At least actions are being taken against those allowed this disgusting behavior to continue.
Fuckin' Football cults.
At least actions are being taken against those allowed this disgusting behavior to continue.
Frozenprince
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This went way beyond Football.
As fucked up as it is, the University probably used the program as a scapegoat to ignore the larger issue of the sexual assault atmosphere on campus.
But now the fed is involved so.
SchrodingerC
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The Feds needs to introduce some serious consequences to make a point to other colleges that the mishandling of rape victims should not be a fucking thing. If some valuable programs have to nuked in the process, then let it happen.
ArkhamFantasy
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Slowly but surely i think people are finally starting to understand that colleges and universities are not your friends, they do not exist to help you, they exist to make money.
Ridiculous tuition, sports, it doesnt matter, they'll take money however they can get it. They even have the audacity to ask their students to donate to the university after they've graduated.
The sooner people treat these institutions like corporations the better off everyone will be.
ratcliffja
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Honestly, I think the advent of the internet will do a lot to weaken the appeal of universities. The resources are out there now more than ever to do research anything you want with an endless supply of peers. Let K-12 teach about how to learn and about some core subjects.
the pats will take him as an assistant
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