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Baylor rape scandal: Art Briles fired, Ken Starr "transitioned" to chancellor

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Frozenprince

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ArkhamFantasy said:
Slowly but surely i think people are finally starting to understand that colleges and universities are not your friends, they do not exist to help you, they exist to make money.

Ridiculous tuition, sports, it doesnt matter, they'll take money however they can get it. They even have the audacity to ask their students to donate to the university after they've graduated.

The sooner people treat these institutions like corporations the better off everyone will be.
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This is why I laugh at Bernies free tuition thing.
 
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boiled goose

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This is so fucking disgusting.

Girl gets raped. Yeah.. let's ignore this because it was done by a football player.
WTF. Criminal charges should be brought to anyone part of this cover up.

Frozenprince said:
This is why I laugh at Bernies free tuition thing.
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Free tuition would be for public universities only. Which used to be the case in the past and is the case in many other countries. Agree or disagree "laughing" at it simply exposes your ignorance.

ArkhamFantasy said:
Slowly but surely i think people are finally starting to understand that colleges and universities are not your friends, they do not exist to help you, they exist to make money.

Ridiculous tuition, sports, it doesnt matter, they'll take money however they can get it. They even have the audacity to ask their students to donate to the university after they've graduated.

The sooner people treat these institutions like corporations the better off everyone will be.
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Huh, this is a completely irrelevant point. Private universities are in fact non profit corporations. Corporations can't cover up rape.
There is no point to your post. The thread is about accountability, not "universities should be nice".
 
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Ambient80

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Jason Whitlock was on Colin Cowherd's show today defending the coach, saying he was just defending and protecting his players and that we aren't looking at it from the perspective of the athletes.

I usually can't stand Whitlock anyway, but holy shit.
 
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kirblar

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Government subsidies for higher ed have been a massive contributor to the inflation and bloat in the sector. There are massive incentive problems with the way things are structured currently. The system wasnt designed as a mass provider of public education and we're running into gigantic issues trying to turn it into one.

Football programs are a perfect example of the problem with just blindly handing money over.
 
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Nosgotham

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CastleRybread said:
Baylor has had consistent issues with their culture around athletics for a long time. Nothing that happens at that school surprises me. They need to pull an SMU and put athletics in check because it is damaging their reputation.
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agreed but they didnt have a reputation before the sports programs started hitting stride.
 
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LJ11

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Man, Briles is one the best offensive minds, loved watching his O, but what a complete fucking scumbag. Why defend these kids/players? Why ruin peoples lives and destroy your own career? For the Ws? You won with middle of the road talent bro, you don't need scum on your squad. Would have driven these fucks to the precinct myself. Sad as fuck, and some of these clowns still have their jobs, lol.
 
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Nosgotham

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Krejlooc said:
yes they did. They had their reputation back when I was at Texas in 2005, back when they were covering up murders for basketball.
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yeah 2005, when their womens basketball started to do well. thats the period in which they started to garner attention. prior to that, their campus was shit and the only attention it garnered was from their law program. i live close to campus, no one in this town even liked baylor prior to their sports success and nationally no one gave a shit.
 
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hodayathink

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Nosgotham said:
yeah 2005, when their womens basketball started to do well. thats the period in which they started to garner attention. prior to that, their campus was shit and the only attention it garnered was from their law program. i live close to campus, no one in this town even liked baylor prior to their sports success and nationally no one gave a shit.
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One of their players murdered one of their other players, and the coach covered it up. They absolutely had a reputation.
 
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Krejlooc

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Nosgotham said:
yeah 2005, when their womens basketball started to do well. thats the period in which they started to garner attention.
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lmfao, garnered attention for their women's basketball program? Yeah, ok.

p.s. when I was at Texas, a common big XII chant among other teams was "WORSE THAN BAYLOR"

they had no stride in 2005.
 
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NealMcCauley

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Looks like Starr "voluntarily resigned" from the chancellor position.

Former Baylor University President Kenneth Starr, who last week was demoted to chancellor amid a sexual assault scandal involving the school’s football program, has resigned that post.

Starr’s resignation is effective immediately, according to ESPN’s “Outside The Lines.” Starr said he left his new post as a “matter of conscience,” according to the outlet.

“I have to and I willingly do accept responsibility,” Starr exclusively told ESPN in an interview that aired Wednesday. “The captain goes down with the ship.”

He will, however, continue as a law professor at his “beloved Baylor Law School,” he said.
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Netherscourge

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If he accepts responsibility for covering up rape, why is he being allowed to stay there at all?

“I have to and I willingly do accept responsibility,” Starr exclusively told ESPN in an interview that aired Wednesday. “The captain goes down with the ship.”
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Is this not an admission of guilt? Should he not be arrested for covering up crimes?
 
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#sorrynotsorry

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He's a scumbag to be sure, but he's not saying he covered up rape. He's saying it was his responsibility to ensure it didn't happen and it did, so he failed and he's taking responsibility for that.

He probably did cover up rape though.
 
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Frozenprince

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Outside The Lines‏ @OTLonESPN
"I'm not complaining but I was not consulted with the firing of Art Briles... I'm behind the veil of ignorance." Ken Starr on OTL
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He sat there with a shit eating grin on his face for the whole interview.

Hope he likes Club Fed.
 
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Cyan

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From the CFB thread:

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perfectchaos007

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He's still teaching at their law school. I would think 3rd parties that rank law schools would hurt Baylors Law School ranking due to Ken Starr being a professor.
 
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bone_and_sinew

breaking down barriers in gratuitous nudity
U.S. universities are one of the institutions where actual rape culture exists. It's going to be Penn State again. One dude will get hit hard, the rest will skate or drag out the legal process long enough for people to forget. The cults worshipping the university will do damage control and protect the bubble.
The whole system is too twisted and corrupt for justice to prevail or reforms to be implemented to prevent future crimes.

Best way to break this is by nuking the NCAA itself, which serves as an enabler for universities to do whatever the hell they want as long as the football tv cash rolls in.
 
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Krejlooc

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Ashley Hodges:

this week will decide Briles' fate. His buyout is $5 million- $28 million so there will be a settlement somewhere in there. But it is not impossible that a movement to get him reinstated as coach next year has some traction. Highly unlikely in my view but the short version of what happened is that mistakes were made and terrible processes prior to 2014. The ship was righted from 2014 on. Baylor intends to make right by all the true victims of sexual assaults that happened during this time. There are some big donors very upset with how this played out.
They feel like Briles should have kept his job with much better controls in place. There is a feeling that the university failed him without clear directives on how disciplinary issues should have been handled. From 2014 forward, there was no confusion about what the proper steps should have been... Just reporting and making no judgments right now on what the right course of action should be. He has been given no opportunity to tell his side of the story.
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so best case scenario, Art Briles gets paid millions to be fired. Worst case scenario, the BOR schemes to bring him back as coach.

Jesus christ.

But those victims just have to understand - prior to 2014, nobody had any idea what to do when someone told them they were raped. How were they supposed to know not to cover it up??

Also: an OTL report that a football player (Ahmad Dixon) beat a normal student (Inya Eleje) to death that was swept under the rug is picking up steam...
 
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perfectchaos007

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Krejlooc said:
Also: an OTL report that a football player (Ahmad Dixon) beat a normal student (Inya Eleje) to death that was swept under the rug is picking up steam...
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wow. I wonder what the cause of Inya Eleje's death was according to Baylor.


"Jumped by random gang members off-campus"?
"Beaten on campus by thugs who aren't affiliated with Baylor"?
"He fell down a flight of stairs"?
 
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Krejlooc

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WTF baylor

@chrisgb00
@ChipBrownHD is reporting there is a vote by #Baylor BORs today to vote on Art Briles future & a 1yr suspension & return in 2017! WOW!
 
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Cyan

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From a reddit user:
First off, I am not attesting to the undeniable accuracy of what he is saying. I just figured if Chip Brown was reporting on this, I may as well try and throw my hat in the ring. This also might just be what other articles have been saying; I'm not sure, I haven't been reading the speculation stuff. So take this fwiw!

The entire regents did not vote to fire briles. A subcommittee which is in charge of athletic decisions made the decision and voted on their own to fire briles.

The entire point of firing with him is to fire him with cause, because he deserved to be fired. Baylor CAN NOT afford to fire Briles without cause: he is due 40m guaranteed on his contract.

[This what I have the hardest time believing] the pepper Hamilton report (whatever that actually means) is extremely light on actual facts and lists of wrongdoing. It is more a collection of recommendations to improve procedures. Thus, without a list of wrongdoing against Briles, you can't fire him for cause.

I assumed when I read the paragraphs about general culture problems within the football program that a list of factual occurrences would be released summarizing what that actually means. Apparently there isn't any such list of factual allegations, and specifically not much against Briles himself. Again, I have a hard time believing this.

Briles has hired 2 law firms. One is working on the argument that he should not be fired at all because he didn't do anything wrong, and the other is working on a settlement deal if he is fired.

So basically, tl;Dr the regents are just as clueless as the average human being and may have royally screwed this up. If what I'm hearing is true, the regents may have jumped to fire briles too soon and may not be able to fire him for cause, in which case Baylor is in a serious pickle because they cannot afford to pay briles his 40m remaining guaranteed and have a new football coach (we aren't Notre Dame).

Anyway, take it fwiw, guys .
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If this is true, this is almost mindbogglingly inept
 
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Random Painted HIghway

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Time to shut it all down. I heard on local sports talk here in Houston that supposedly the pepper Hamilton report is not a written findings as you'd expect but more so an oral presentation that can't therefore be disseminated and reviewed by outsiders. Which of course as a consequence makes a firing for cause much more problematic if the cause isn't actually recorded. What a cluster. I know tons of Baylor alums and they are all greatly embarrassed.
 
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Fuchsdh

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mcfrank said:
My wife likes that show on netflix. I get annoyed because they put the same pottery barn shit in every house.
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You can play a mean drinking game with that show. "Pergolas! Crown moulding! Reclaimed wood!"

On-topic, it's pretty amazing that college sports have gotten to a level of skullduggery and coverups that you'd expect for politics or professional competition. Hopefully they didn't hose themselves and Briles can't get his money, because ultimately it's coming out of students' pockets.
 
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Archaix

Drunky McMurder
Cyan said:
From a reddit user:

If this is true, this is almost mindbogglingly inept
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It's only inept if you assume they wanted a thorough investigation that revealed the facts as opposed to something that would shut people up and stop "Baylor loves them some rape" from being the headline every day during the offseason.
 
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Cyan

Banned
Archaix said:
It's only inept if you assume they wanted a thorough investigation that revealed the facts as opposed to something that would shut people up and stop "Baylor loves them some rape" from being the headline every day during the offseason.
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I mean I'm assuming that at the very least they didn't want to fire their coach and then pay him $40MM.
 
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Archaix

Drunky McMurder
Cyan said:
I mean I'm assuming that at the very least they didn't want to fire their coach
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I think this part of your post is entirely accurate and that there are probably decision makers at Baylor who think they just lost control of the story.
 
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