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Bebpo is crazy, 360 has risen to the heavens and MC Data is out for the week
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Error2k4 said:
So games like Trauma Center, Monkey Ball, and Red Steel are just a bunch of mini-games?
I like how you keep ignoring the logic behind the X360 taking off and instead just repeat stuff about games doing 20k on X360. Did you not notice that there are games doing more than that?
I mean Culdcept Saga did 25k opening on X360 with a userbase of 170k. On the PS2 with a userbase of 20 million, how many units do you think it would've opened with? 40k? Maybe 50k? Why don't you understand what's going on here. If Blue Dragon draws in the rpg crowd and knocks the X360 hardware to say double at ~350k, whose to say the next rpg won't open at 50k now AKA THE SAME AS IT WOULD HAVE OPENED ON THE PS2. Now at 350k systems vs. 20 million systems 3rd parties are seeing the same return results in sales numbers.
Pop that 350k to 1 million over a year and if the software sales double you're looking at 100k opening for rpgs. Now you have games selling more than they do on PS2 with 1/20th the amount of hardware. Why? Because the people who buy X360 are GAMERS. Aka, people who LOVE GAMES and want to BUY GOOD GAMES. The tie-ratio for X360 in US and JPN is much higher than any of the other consoles. Logically this means if they can just get the hardware into more hands while keeping the ratio, they will be selling more software than on any other system.
3rd parties have seen this already. Look at X360's support this winter in Japan. More and more you'll see 3rd parties moving over to the X360 and more and more you'll see consumers moving along with it.
MS didn't fail in Japan because Japanese people are racist against Western consoles. The average Japanese person doesn't think beyond "Hey, this system has cool games; I'll buy it!". A logo is a logo, not country/religion/whatever. X360 has stuttered badly as it just didn't have the games. But now it does.
Do I expect the X360 to sell millions overnight? No. Do I expect the system to sell 20 million like the PS2? No. Do I expect in 3-4 years for SOFTWARE to sell every bit as good as software has sold on the PS2 in the last few years? If the ball starts rolling...DEFINITELY. The X360 will never be the billion system seller like the DS because the X360 is not trying to appeal to the mainstream non-gamer casual crowd whose spending money. Maybe the Wii will grab this crowd, who knows. The thing is that this mainstream crowd is like the Madden crowd in the US, they buy 1 or maybe two games a year. Meanwhile X360 will become the machine of GAMERS, aka. the people who buy 5-50 games a year. At the end of the day software developers will say "do we want to make a game for the system that no one buys games for? Or to the system with a moderate userbase but every game sells well on?", and X360 will be the direction they choose.
Many think X360's lifetime track record in Japan is damning evidence that they'll never recover, but in actuality the track record is VERY POSITIVE due to the high tie-ratio software-wise. If the PSP had the tie-ratio that the X360 has it would've stayed neck and neck with the DS and maybe even taken the most software support. Same goes for the GC. Most companies would KILL for a tie-ratio that the X360 has. Moving hardware is not the big problem if you want to attract developers; moving software is and the X360 has that covered.
Bebpo your too focused on the numbers. 50k may be the max it sells on ps2, but thats probably the most that game would sell on any system. The 360 isnt some magic system that makes more people buy games.
The bigger the userbase gets the greater the "GAMERZZZZ" to "OMG CASUALZZZZ" ratio gets.
The bigger the userbase gets the greater the "GAMERZZZZ" to "OMG CASUALZZZZ" ratio gets.
sp0rsk said:
Blue Dragon's job isn't to be the pioneer to show what 3rd party sales can be. BD's job is simply to expand the userbase from 170k to 300k and then overtime expand from that 300k to 1 million by being one of many games that will pile up and convince gamers to purchase an X360.
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Bebpo said:
Who cares about if a game sells to 1/10th of the user base or 1/100 of the user base if the number sold is the same? Do third parties magically make more money because their Japanese-oriented RPG sold a copy to every other Xbox instead of to every 1000th PS2 sold? In the end they're going to make the money off the number of games they sold and third parties are more interested in consoles with a bigger user base.
So people who buy PS2s or Wii's or DS Lites don't love games and don't buy good games? Interesting theory...
I would really love to see your proof of this. Unless shit like DMC4, MGS4, FFXIII, White Knight, and other high profile PS3 titles get HALTED and made for the 360 you really have no grounds to stand on. I can't believe I'm even arguing this part.
Racist against Western consoles? Tell me, how many games did the original Xbox have that were made in Japan to appeal to the Japanese audience?
And while Blue Dragon is a good investment to show MS isn't completely retarded, it's just too little, too late.
And again, for the last time, while ratio's are cool to gauge how software is selling in conjunction with the hardware, it doesn't have any concrete value.
Would you rather have a ratio of 5:1 for a system that only sells 1,000 or a ratio of 2:1 for a system that sells 8,000,000?
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uh oh...
X360
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EDF
Onnechanbara
PSU
Winning Eleven
A train HX
Madden
Lost planet
Sonic
NFS:Carbon
Prey
Blue dragon
Fusion Frenzy 2
Zegapain NOT
PS3
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Armoured Core 4 (maybe!)
Motorstorm (maybe!)
F1
Railfan
NFS:Carbon
Sonic
Live 07 (cancelled?)
Wii
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Bleach
Pokemon battle
Rabbits party
Mahjong Taikai
Monster 4x4
Carbon
Sengoku Musou Wave
i'm glad i've traded in my Xbot jacket - long live the GamePark!
The thing is... Third party sales are disappointing as hell, but I'll say the same thing I said when the numbers were more positive and everyone was gushing over how the Wii had just secured complete and total market dominance: can't tell that much from first day (or in this case, two day) sales figures. That goes for hardware and software.
Console demand hugely outstripped supply, there was an enormous number of games available at launch (meaning lots to choose from) including four huge high profile first party games on the same day, plus a massive Virtual Console lineup... yeah, the sales suck, but we'll see if some of these games rebound and pull better numbers over their first month, and if future games that don't launch against such insane competition do better. You really just can't get that much out of this.
There are like 30 ****ing games. You can't rationally expect something like 40k for all of them when the system itself is only at 350k. Was anyone expecting something like 500k in third party software sales plus 400k in first party software sales with 400k launch units?
Though of course I really do wish Trauma Center in particular had done better, despite all the above. But let's see where it stands after a whole month's sales and I can guarantee it'll be higher than TC DS -- which I'm sure Atlus will be fine with since they're banking on the US sales for it, anyway.
Console demand hugely outstripped supply, there was an enormous number of games available at launch (meaning lots to choose from) including four huge high profile first party games on the same day, plus a massive Virtual Console lineup... yeah, the sales suck, but we'll see if some of these games rebound and pull better numbers over their first month, and if future games that don't launch against such insane competition do better. You really just can't get that much out of this.
There are like 30 ****ing games. You can't rationally expect something like 40k for all of them when the system itself is only at 350k. Was anyone expecting something like 500k in third party software sales plus 400k in first party software sales with 400k launch units?
Though of course I really do wish Trauma Center in particular had done better, despite all the above. But let's see where it stands after a whole month's sales and I can guarantee it'll be higher than TC DS -- which I'm sure Atlus will be fine with since they're banking on the US sales for it, anyway.
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This is truly the best thread ever.
Bebpo is right, by the way.
Bebpo is right, by the way.
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dirtmonkey37 said:
er... that holds true for every single console..
dirtmonkey37 said:
no it wasnt.
dirtmonkey37 said:
unless it bombs.. but i doubt it.
wartime1020 said:
limited R&D ????!!!
what. where do these people come from?