Fenderputty
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This was only used as a suggestion of what the GOP would use against Bernie when busters like yourself wouldn't shut up about how much better of a candidate he was.
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Besty Devos splits Senate with 50/50 vote, VP Pence confirms nomation
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This was only used as a suggestion of what the GOP would use against Bernie when busters like yourself wouldn't shut up about how much better of a candidate he was.
Disagree.
Republicans aren't uneducated idiots. They wouldn't have such political dominance if they were.
Why would a wealthy republican banker vote against his self interests? Republicans look to lower taxes, especially for the wealthy. They look to give financial perks to businesses. They believe in student vouchers, that can provide tax-based funding for students to go to private schools. Less regulation on bank loans. Less regulation on government contractors. Less regulation on pharma/medical companies.
Then you add the lower tier stuff, like tougher immigration (from certain countries), protecting the sanctity of marriage (because eww gays), and lowering of federal government aid (because bootstraps), and you have the plucked at the hearts and minds of millions of educated, conservative-minded Americans.
The Tea Party isn't a bunch of old baby boomers, y'all. Not all republicans wear hatred on their sleeves like Spencer. Know your opponents.
Yep. He was teetering. But 0 spine.
That fool towed the line after Trump clowned him for being a prisoner of war, fam. He belittled a decorated veteran and senator. McCain still provided his endorsement.
We're all complex people, but you don't let some bullish orange fuckboi shame you publically like that. Fuck a political party - that's your character, the very sacrifice that you made for your country that he's putting on blast.
He fell in step with his party.
This doesn't surprise me in the least.
At least I could trust the more progressive blue states to do the right thing. It's the red states that concern me - a decade of DeVos-like leaders in charge (or the abolishment of the Department of Education altogether) could result in students in Mississippi and West Virginia going to places like the 'McDonald's (Whites-only) School of Jesus and Guns', being taught by undereducated 'teachers' making $10/hr with no benefits. That would just result in woefully undereducated students, the reduction of teachers to second-class citizens, and the never ending shoveling of federal education funds into the pockets of wealthy Republicans - including many who voted today to confirm DeVos.
(And yeah, the 'McDonald's school of Jesus and Guns' thing is hyperbole, but your tax dollars *will* be used to fund second rate religious 'education' taught by people not qualified to teach, I guarantee it.)
GhaleonQ
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I skimmed a few pages of the ripped sackcloth and ashes, and I just want to ask:
You all know that the Education Secretary has very little power in 2017, right? Like, if you wanted a head on a pike, make DeVos it, sure, but when I read emotional posts like, "Now, our public school district system will be terrible!" (as if it wasn't already), I wonder.
Arne Duncan was the latest in a string of Education Secretaries who had big plans but terrible implementation and no interest in relationship building.
He ignored rural communities entirely.
He wasted billions of dollars on urban Race To The Top and School Improvement Grants, which had unrealistic expectations for implementation and no way to motivate or discipline. districts and states that had already gotten their money. Obama's office concluded that there was no effect. https://ies.ed.gov/ncee/pubs/20174013/pdf/20174013.pdf This also makes it impossible for any secretary to do the same in the future, even if he or she had a really good idea.
And while I find the Samantha Bees and suburban Republicans of the world to be distasteful in their school in their "equity/choice, except if it affects me" stances, it was his duty to convince them of Common Core's quality, or of the necessity of his reforms in breaking poverty cycles. DeVos herself noted this, criticizing both parties. http://www.federationforchildren.or...Betsy-SXSWedu-speech-final-remarks.pdf?e40fe9
So, because he pissed off literally every portion of America, the Education Secretary got stripped of its power in the latest Every Student Succeeds Act, and to the extent that the office has power, it will be checked by the Congressional education committees.
So, settle down. She cannot do much, positive or negative
You all know that the Education Secretary has very little power in 2017, right? Like, if you wanted a head on a pike, make DeVos it, sure, but when I read emotional posts like, "Now, our public school district system will be terrible!" (as if it wasn't already), I wonder.
Arne Duncan was the latest in a string of Education Secretaries who had big plans but terrible implementation and no interest in relationship building.
He ignored rural communities entirely.
He wasted billions of dollars on urban Race To The Top and School Improvement Grants, which had unrealistic expectations for implementation and no way to motivate or discipline. districts and states that had already gotten their money. Obama's office concluded that there was no effect. https://ies.ed.gov/ncee/pubs/20174013/pdf/20174013.pdf This also makes it impossible for any secretary to do the same in the future, even if he or she had a really good idea.
And while I find the Samantha Bees and suburban Republicans of the world to be distasteful in their school in their "equity/choice, except if it affects me" stances, it was his duty to convince them of Common Core's quality, or of the necessity of his reforms in breaking poverty cycles. DeVos herself noted this, criticizing both parties. http://www.federationforchildren.or...Betsy-SXSWedu-speech-final-remarks.pdf?e40fe9
So, because he pissed off literally every portion of America, the Education Secretary got stripped of its power in the latest Every Student Succeeds Act, and to the extent that the office has power, it will be checked by the Congressional education committees.
So, settle down. She cannot do much, positive or negative
R10Neymarfan
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You say things as if these limitations will affect this adminstration. It won't precedence has been broken long time ago . Keep saying don't worry then it happens
GhaleonQ
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If Trump has a puppet congress, voucher schools are the least of your worries.
Yeah, but you say this like it hasn't been tried. The people in here complaining about obstructionism would FLIP if they ever went to a school board meeting or was a fly on the wall in a metropolis' superintendent office for a week.
The response that is always given is, "More money, please! For equity! For K2 and K3! For ever-increasing benefits!" That's not a solution, so they've gone outside the district system.
Whether or not you agree with it, it is wholly rational.
LegendofLex
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Chairman of the House Committee on Education and the Workforce: Virginia Foxx
*Googles*
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/virginia-foxx-obama-education-legacy-232084
You're not reassuring anyone.
GhaleonQ
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You just posted something that confirms that she hates the idea of a powerful Education Secretary. This would be supporting my point.
If you are suggesting that the Trump team has the skill to wind down the national Education Department, HA.
LegendofLex
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I'm suggesting that she'd be perfectly happy and willing to continue to dismantle student-focused funding, programs, and protections at the federal level. She wouldn't be a "check" on DeVos at all.
That's what people are most worried about regarding DeVos, no?
You were on a roll until the bolded - then your argument crashed and burned. There is no Congressional oversight of the Trump administration.
So the colleges will all be like Bob Jones and Pensacola Concentration Camp - I mean Pensacola Christian College?
Massive Duck. C.M.
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When 20 children died in the Sandy Hook shooting and nothing was done about gun control, you know that's when American government really don't care about children lives at all. Much less their education.
Edit: To clarify, Obama administration did put a few things in place after that tragedy but Trump is about to dismantled them.
NullPointer
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He does, and you better believe we have plenty of worries.
jack_package_200
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Fucking GOP minus those two senators are a national disgrace. This is an absolute travesty. Its embarrassing. She, like Trump, is wildly unqualified for this position.
At this point, anyone who is still bitching about the primary has refused to accept reality. They aren't worth engaging with. They make other people who believed in Bernie's message look bad.
I hate that it keeps being brought up in every fucking political thread.
At this point, anyone who is still bitching about the primary has refused to accept reality. They aren't worth engaging with. They make other people who believed in Bernie's message look bad.
I hate that it keeps being brought up in every fucking political thread.
Unknown One
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Dem better run a fucking smear campaign against all those fucking garbage gop for the next election.
Don't excuse those two senators. They voted that way because they knew they could, if this had any way in chance of being shot down they would have voted yes.
Has anyone else done Teach for America?
I'm all about public schools as the next person, but not all public schools are created equal.
If I had a choice between sending my kid to the "3rd world country" I taught at for two years, where the children's biggest problem are parents that don't give a fuck, and paying money to send my kid to a private school... I pick the private school every time.
Devos is probably not the right answer...Vouchers aren't the right answer. Keeping public education as it is it not the right answer.
The right answer is holding parents accountable for their children's education, to hold parents accountable for ensuring their children aren't little shits towards their teachers and elders before they become teenagers, to realize as a nation that everyone isn't going to college and that's okay, and to provide many other avenues of success besides the college route.
I'm all about public schools as the next person, but not all public schools are created equal.
If I had a choice between sending my kid to the "3rd world country" I taught at for two years, where the children's biggest problem are parents that don't give a fuck, and paying money to send my kid to a private school... I pick the private school every time.
Devos is probably not the right answer...Vouchers aren't the right answer. Keeping public education as it is it not the right answer.
The right answer is holding parents accountable for their children's education, to hold parents accountable for ensuring their children aren't little shits towards their teachers and elders before they become teenagers, to realize as a nation that everyone isn't going to college and that's okay, and to provide many other avenues of success besides the college route.
Username1198
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I tutored some kids when I was in high school that makes me more qualified than Betsy right?
jack_package_200
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You are probably right.
Not probably. At least one of the two, maybe boh were on her comitte to pass DeVos to congress. Either of them voting no could have stopped DeVos in her tracks. They didn't. Their actions are almost worse than the republicans that did vote yes, because they were scumbags hiding it from their constituents.
Fox Mulder
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They probably did it to troll Dems and are laughing now.
Ugh...Stein actually used to be a decent candidate. I have no idea what happened since her run for Warren's current seat, but she clearly jumped the shark. I blame the haircut and it breaks my heart.
McCain's vote was never in question and his status as a "maverick" is a myth.
The Last Wizard
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Oh, I understand. It's just people expected reruns not to be evil is weird. But this definitely needs to be fought.
What did he mean by this?
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"Nomation"?
DeVos already at work
DeVos already at work
MercuryLS3
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America what are you doing?
Kai Dracon
Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
Insuring that in the future children will finally be taught that the moon landing was a hoax.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
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He was never teetering, he was pumping himself up like he always does. He's a fucking snake oils salesman and a piece of shit. He's an opportunist and a scumbag and it's pathetic people still try to build him up as some beacon of righteousness. He's a self serving jackass.
User Name Here
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I do. Believe it or not. And I feel bad for them as well.
GhaleonQ
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The responses to me were, "There will be no congressional oversight." *sigh*
In any case, you should really have more confidence in your voter mobilization techniques in 2018!
This is what charter schools and voucher schools are often allowed to do. In some ways, district schools are awful because of incompetence, poor training, occasionally a lack of resources, and other things. In others, their hands are tied.
In any case, you should really have more confidence in your voter mobilization techniques in 2018!
This is what charter schools and voucher schools are often allowed to do. In some ways, district schools are awful because of incompetence, poor training, occasionally a lack of resources, and other things. In others, their hands are tied.
So the solution to fixing public education is taking kids out of it and letting the rest burn and fail?
nah just creationism
Zaraki_Kenpachi
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What does any of this have to do with DeVos and how shitty of a candidate she is? I'm glad you have the money for private school, most don't and the broken voucher system and an incompetent head of education that doesn't even know basic things about our education system aren't the answer. So nice attempt to deflect all actual conversation to talk about something that has nothing that has to do with this topic.
How About No
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Did anybody get an email from Mike Pence about the nomination?
I'd absolutely love to reply with some select swears, but I highly doubt mails to the White House would be read anyway...
I'd absolutely love to reply with some select swears, but I highly doubt mails to the White House would be read anyway...
TheSadRanger
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I still can't believe he let that happen.
That's because McCain is a fuckboy too. Outside maybe a handful of times, he's always been out for himself and his party.
OrlanisWorks
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It feels like their mission is to fuck the kids and fuck the future.
Money is power. Classic.
Money is power. Classic.
This shocked me when I read it on Twitter before......outright removing the 'Department of Education'?! That could fully removed education jobs within public schools. I'm in college to become a teacher.....this is scary news.
Guess Trump's America doesn't want children educated. Just.....just horrible.
CarpeDeezNutz
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So I work at a low income school that was given all this technology to teach poor kids how to code. I get to make the curriculum but with this woman in charge I do not know what the future direction will be. I have been in a daze worried if this is going to get defunded exactly how bad is this woman?
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