True but that has been the whole arc/point of the show. We already knew from BB how he is. And he has been taking shortcuts here since season 1. But the thing with Irene topped the lot.
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Better Call Saul S3 |OT| Gus Who's Back - Mondays 10/9c on AMC
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True but that has been the whole arc/point of the show. We already knew from BB how he is. And he has been taking shortcuts here since season 1. But the thing with Irene topped the lot.
NintendosBooger
Member
Yeah, Jimmy hasn't gone full Saul yet. True, he's an asshole and a borderline con but he hasn't gone into deeper waters yet. I think Mike (who's jumped in with both feet) will be the one who nudges him there.
I heard/read that atleast in USA the viewerratings are quite dissapointing?
Charlouie Jonesman
Banned
This was my least favorite season so far, (I didn't really care for the Mike/Gus Story at all, since Nacho is pretty much the only variable, while Saul's side of things has more characters who's fate is completly unknown.) and even Saul's story kinda stagnated I felt, but come on, we have to get at least one more season, because I really can't imagine we'd be getting a satisfying finale to the entire show next week.
Let's not paint him as a good Samaritan, his primary motivation was is own payday, the fact that it happens to be a better result for the old ladies is a nice coincidence.
More so to the point, his actions are deplorable, causing emotional distress to someone is an awful thing (and there's no guarantee that things will be patched up), even if it happened to benefit other people.
SneakySneaks
Member
Anyone thinks we're going to see this guy >< again? Imagine Kim ending up needing him in the end or something lol.
We might, and i hope so too because Robert Forster is gteat. But remember that Saul was surprised that he actually had a vacuum store, so I don't think he met him before that.
I'm guessing now that they're getting into season four and beyond territory, they might try and lock everyone down for the remainder of the series. If that's the case, it might take a little longer and then we might get a season 4 and 5 renewal and an announcement that five will be the last season.
awesome_pants
Banned
This. I believe the AMC's BCS social media account said it perfectly that now the difference between Jimmy and Saul at this point as become clouded. Jimmy is on the bridge transitioning into the Saul we know, love, and/or despise.
awesome_pants
Banned
Taken from a Reddit Post:
Fear the Walking Dead (AMC) — 4.6 million
Better Call Saul (AMC) — 4.2 million
Good Witch (Hallmark) — 2.9 million
Into the Badlands (AMC) — 2.7 million
Fargo (FX) — 2.6 million
The Son (AMC) — 2.1 million
Genius (National Geographic) — 2 million
The Americans (FX) — 1.9 million
Pretty Little Liars (Freeform) — 1.8 million
Silicon Valley (HBO) — 1.5 million
American Gods (Starz)– 1.4 million
Doctor Who (BBC America) — 1.3 million
The White Princess (Starz) — 1.29 million
Veep (HBO) — 1.25 million
Archer (FX) — 847,000
Yes the ratings are down but it still is "performing well." I believe that Sony is smart enough to not just go on ratings alone and also know that Saul is a prestige show that will be nominated for awards. Hell, the last season of Breaking Bad, AMC did not want to fund it but Sony showed up and said, whatever you want Vince, it is yours.
edit: Sorry for the double post
Those viewer numbers are different than the viewer numbers Wikipedia is saying. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Better_Call_Saul_episodes
They cite TvBytheNumbers.
According to that, the last episode had only 1.47 million viewers.
They cite TvBytheNumbers.
According to that, the last episode had only 1.47 million viewers.
Cornballer
Member
Regarding people's concerns about the show getting renewed, note that the show is performing in just about all the ways that it can. I'm not worried at all about the show getting canceled. Presumably the contract negotiations are ongoing (if not completed already), and I imagine we'll hear about a renewal before the finale next week.
The ratings are...fine. They've been declining, as has just about everything across the board on television these days, but they're still towards the top end of the AMC shows aside from the zombie properties. Note that AMC renewed The Son and Halt & Catch Fire, both of which get a small fraction of what BCS does. I don't think AMC is ecstatic about the ratings and their decline, but they aren't at a concerning level. BCS also gets a huge time-shifting boost every week since the majority of the audience watches it on delay via their DVR. Merely comparing the live numbers to previous seasons and other shows isn't sufficient to create a portrait of where the show is (i.e. the L7 numbers are a more relevant metric)
In addition to the ratings, BCS does very well in other ways. It receives awards nominations. It's critically lauded. The audience that follows the show is very devoted to it. The show isn't exorbitantly expensive. Overall, I see no reason why AMC wouldn't renew the show, so stop stressing about it. I'd be very surprised if they didn't make an announcement before the finale or during the after show.
The ratings are...fine. They've been declining, as has just about everything across the board on television these days, but they're still towards the top end of the AMC shows aside from the zombie properties. Note that AMC renewed The Son and Halt & Catch Fire, both of which get a small fraction of what BCS does. I don't think AMC is ecstatic about the ratings and their decline, but they aren't at a concerning level. BCS also gets a huge time-shifting boost every week since the majority of the audience watches it on delay via their DVR. Merely comparing the live numbers to previous seasons and other shows isn't sufficient to create a portrait of where the show is (i.e. the L7 numbers are a more relevant metric)
In addition to the ratings, BCS does very well in other ways. It receives awards nominations. It's critically lauded. The audience that follows the show is very devoted to it. The show isn't exorbitantly expensive. Overall, I see no reason why AMC wouldn't renew the show, so stop stressing about it.
I'd be very surprised if they didn't make an announcement before the finale or during the after show.Cornballer
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Cornballer
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Note that these are the most recent L+7 numbers (first run viewership plus reruns and DVR from the following week) as of June 13th, and they're sourced from here.
Yep, and that's the way any self-respecting story should do it. The notion that there should be a single clear-cut defining moment that turns a character into a monster is cheap, and I'm glad the writers seem to agree by steering away from that both in BB and in BCS.
Pupperbabysassy
Member
What Jimmy did in that episode was horrific. Irene isn't a teenager and tomorrow isn't guaranteed for her. People at that age deal with loneliness and he tugged at that.
Ooh that would be a great call back (forwardAnyone thinks we're going to see this guy >< again? Imagine Kim ending up needing him in the end or something lol.
)I feel like a bad TV watcher but despite paying close attention the entire season I didn't quite grasp what that phone call with Salemanca and others sitting / standing around was about.
I get that in the end Nacho's dad's shop was going to be used to transport drugs, but was kinda confused about the specifics of that earlier phone call.
I get that in the end Nacho's dad's shop was going to be used to transport drugs, but was kinda confused about the specifics of that earlier phone call.
They completely switched from using his smuggling trucks to using Gus', which is not only a hit to his pride but to his wallet.
crisdecuba
Member
The call was instructing them to make the temporary arrangement of using Gus' transportation into a permanent arrangement. This went against Tio's desire to eventually re-establish his own transportation system by way of nachos dad's shop.
So now that we see that they are going to continue through with using nachos dad's shop, I'm interested to see the repercussions for Tio since he's disregarding an order from Don Eladio.
Permanently A
Junior Member
This is the first episode that I couldn't deal with Jimmy's actions. The first time I really felt that what he was doing was disgusting and inexcusable. It's a shame that it has to be this way.
stenbumling
Unconfirmed Member
I just love how the crash cut happens at the exact place where the pillar in the background "crashes" into Kim's face, even if it wasn't intentional.
Daffy Duck
Member
One things for sure, and that is Bob Odenkirk is an amazing actor and really sells Jimmy and Saul and the transition from one to the other.
He is magical.
He is magical.
Regarding people's concerns about the show getting renewed, note that the show is performing in just about all the ways that it can. I'm not worried at all about the show getting canceled. Presumably the contract negotiations are ongoing (if not completed already), and I imagine we'll hear about a renewal before the finale next week.
The ratings are...fine. They've been declining, as has just about everything across the board on television these days, but they're still towards the top end of the AMC shows aside from the zombie properties. Note that AMC renewed The Son and Halt & Catch Fire, both of which get a small fraction of what BCS does. I don't think AMC is ecstatic about the ratings and their decline, but they aren't at a concerning level. BCS also gets a huge time-shifting boost every week since the majority of the audience watches it on delay via their DVR. Merely comparing the live numbers to previous seasons and other shows isn't sufficient to create a portrait of where the show is (i.e. the L7 numbers are a more relevant metric)
In addition to the ratings, BCS does very well in other ways. It receives awards nominations. It's critically lauded. The audience that follows the show is very devoted to it. The show isn't exorbitantly expensive. Overall, I see no reason why AMC wouldn't renew the show, so stop stressing about it.
This minstrel music soothed my jangled nerves. Thank you.
fluffydelusions
Member
Fear the walking dead that high? Has it gotten better or something...I haven't watched the new season but the previous ones were pretty meh.
KINGofCRA5H
Member
I think the real question is, what is Jimmy going to do to make Kim walk away? I think he will befriend her in a way that only Saul Goodman can do.
Cornballer
Member
It started a fair bit higher and has been declining ever since then.
Kim
Hamlin has seemed pretty loyal to Chuck so I'm surprised that Chuck went straight to attack mode (ok not that surprised). It is possible Hamlin leaned more towards the business when dealing with Chuck but to be fair at some point enough is enough, and it maybe should have been sooner.
Howard putting the money right in Jimmy's face was amazing.
Hamlin has seemed pretty loyal to Chuck so I'm surprised that Chuck went straight to attack mode (ok not that surprised). It is possible Hamlin leaned more towards the business when dealing with Chuck but to be fair at some point enough is enough, and it maybe should have been sooner.
Howard putting the money right in Jimmy's face was amazing.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
You can safely bet it was intentional.
Shame the ratings are declining season to season but relatively speaking the show is doing well. No doubt it'll get renewed.
Wonderful character actor. Always has been. He's a bit too emotive for me, but I guess it's hard to walk the line between communicating emotions and subtlety.
It takes an entire year for a season to reach Netflix, the UK being an exception. I'm sure those numbers are specific to AMC. Netflix numbers don't mean as much to AMC.
PHOENIXZERO
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All that matters is if AMC is making money off the show or not.
Bcs comes out on the same day on Netflix
Uhm the rest of the world is watching this show on Netflix the same day it is released!
AMC licenses the show to Netflix across the world, and yeah in the US with the year delay.
Netflix "ratings" matter because those numbers are used to negotiate the next season's licensing deal.
Human Trashcan
Banned
So I started rewatching Breaking Bad. Is Krazy 8 the same guy that Nacho beat up for being short?
Yeah.