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[Kagey K]

Ok let’s settle this Nerds.

What is the plot point that changed the Star Wars universe?

As a young kid I would have absolutely said “I am your father”

But after rewatching all the original trilogy, then the prequels, then the sequels (and some of the side stuff) I have to say “execute Order 66“ is the bigger deal.

Spoiler: Rise of the Skywalker spoiler

Rey being a Palpatine is dead last as far as repercussions go

Agree? Disagree or something else I missed?

 

[Barsinister]

Wouldn't Qui-Gon finding Annikin on a remote desert planet be the biggest point?

 

[-Arcadia-]

Nerdiest topic in a long time — I love it, lol

“I call for a vote of no confidence”

This is the beginning of the end. Even if Vader doesn’t turn, Palpatine still gains absolute power, the clone army, etc.

His plan is so well laid, it doesn’t even need Vader. He is the best, most fascinating part of the prequels, imo.

 

[ManaByte]

The biggest plot point is that one guy manipulated EVERYTHING for over sixty years and no one caught on.

 

[Kagey K]

Wouldn't Qui-Gon finding Annikin on a remote desert planet be the biggest point?

Ok I have to agree you basically killed this topic in one post.

But -Arcadia- makes a point Palpatines plan would work with or without Vader.

It just would have been a different Jedi defecting. Maybe all 9 movies could have been the Binks aSaga.

 

[Barsinister]

This is the beginning of the end. Even if Vader doesn’t turn, Palpatine still gains absolute power, the clone army, etc.

Annikin was the Emperor's man on the inside. How was he to get inside the Jedi Temple and wreck up the place without him?

 

[The Lunch Legend]

Luke's father

 

[Kagey K]

Annikin was the Emperor's man on the inside. How was he to get inside the Jedi Temple and wreck up the place without him?

Find a slightly less adept Jedi who has been trained? Maybe he doesn’t turn Maul as early as he does and keeps him in the temple, or he finds another of the young jedis to Infiltrate.

If Anakin doesn’t show up to Jedi school, a different Jedi would have been top of the class. (he goes for them)

 

[Barsinister]

Find a slightly less adept Jedi who has been trained? Maybe he doesn’t turn Maul as early as he does and keeps him in the temple, or he finds another of the young jedis to Infiltrate.

If Anakin doesn’t show up to Jedi school, a different Jedi would have been top of the class. (he goes for them)

I will just admit now that I really didn't like the movie output of Disney Star Wars. I stopped watching after Rouge One, which I hated, hated, hated. I still love the old stuff and have a soft spot for the prequels. I think Mr. Lucas was pulled in too many directions with the story he was trying to tell. Midiclorians did not go over well, I think, so he back-peddled.

That being said, you may be right. Was Maul a Jedi before he became a Sith? I thought he was brought up by those force witches?

 

[-Arcadia-]

Annikin was the Emperor's man on the inside. How was he to get inside the Jedi Temple and wreck up the place without him?

I think that definitely helped, but Order 66 is all clone troopers. Alternate universe, I just see the exact same thing happening in the Temple — Palpatine either makes up some reason to have clone troopers in the temple, for another ambush, or just storms the place with so many thousands of troopers (certainly doable), sheer attrition wins.

There’s also that he could have done it himself. He kills something like six Jedi in just a few seconds.

Anakin was just a sick bonus to him, I think. The plan, and he, were so impervious, and had so many fallback angles, yeah, he could risk ideologically poisoning the most powerful Jedi to ever exist, and take that for himself.

 

[Barsinister]

Palpatine either makes up some reason to have clone troopers in the temple, for another ambush, or just storms the place with so many thousands of troopers (certainly doable), sheer attrition wins.

I'm pretty sure one needs to be a Jedi, or at least with a Jedi, in order to gain access to the inside of the Jedi Temple.

 

[ManaByte]

You all are forgetting that Palpatine created Anakin. He was always part of the plan from the beginning.

 

[Barsinister]

You all are forgetting that Palpatine created Anakin. He was always part of the plan from the beginning.

It's implied, for sure, but not directly stated. Unreliable narrator in the Emperor. I have my doubts about the popular interpretation of his story.

 

[Kagey K]

I will just admit now that I really didn't like the movie output of Disney Star Wars. I stopped watching after Rouge One, which I hated, hated, hated.

Hang o a sec, we need a sidebar here.

How can you hate Rogue One? it was by far the best side story to Star Wars so far.

Even without the tie in to episode 4 at the end it was so good. I need a breakdown here.

 

[ManaByte]

It's implied, for sure, but not directly stated. Unreliable narrator in the Emperor. I have my doubts about the popular interpretation of his story.

Nah it was Lucas’ intention so at the end of ROTJ there are three generations facing off in the Death Star throne room.

 

[-Arcadia-]

My vote for second biggest Star Wars plot point, is that this thumbnail reveals that the Emperor was Richard from Digital Foundry all along.

 

[newtypepilot]

Disney buying the franchise from Lucas. As bad as the prequels were, at least George wouldn't approve the mess that is the new trilogy.

 

[-Arcadia-]

Disney buying the franchise from Lucas. As bad as the prequels were, at least George wouldn't approve the mess that is the new trilogy.

C’mon. Not that I don’t totally agree, but can we have one Star Wars thread without those abominations coming up?

I just want to enjoy classic Star Wars again, and forget they exist.

 

[MetalAlien]

This one was the point of very unlikely return.

 

[Tesseract]

kyle katarn is still real to me

 

[Kagey K]

C’mon. Not that I don’t totally agree, but can we have one Star Wars thread without those abominations coming up?

I just want to enjoy classic Star Wars again, and forget they exist.

This conversation is about all 9 movies.(and side stories)

I would hope if someone wants to come in a drop hate they would contribute to the converstation instead of doing a drive by, but I can’t control what they do.

 

[ManaByte]

Disney buying the franchise from Lucas. As bad as the prequels were, at least George wouldn't approve the mess that is the new trilogy.

People would’ve hated Lucas’ Sequels more than the Prequels. You’d have Hermit Luke in Ep7, and then a whole bunch of midichorlian stuff that explained the Whills.

 

[Barsinister]

Hang o a sec, we need a sidebar here.

How can you hate Rogue One? it was by far the best side story to Star Wars so far.

Even without the tie in to episode 4 at the end it was so good. I need a breakdown here.

I only watched it the once in the theater. I saw Force Awakens twice in order to be sure I didn't like it. I heard Rogue One was good, so I went to see it. I am not saying it was a "bad" movie, it was a movie I didn't like.

I couldn't remember the names of any of the characters. I didn't know what anyone's motivation was. In the beginning of the movie that one guy shot his compatriot. Everyone dies. Not once did I hear the word "Bothan Spy". (It might have been said, I don't remember.) I was a story that did not capture my imagination. I know most people love it, or at least find it good. I just found the whole thing unnecessary.

 

[-Arcadia-]

This one was the point of very unlikely return.

Anakin’s turn is another interesting one.

Personally, I think it’s when Windu (I might be misremembering slightly) strikes to kill, at the Emperor. Anakin is extremely conflicted at that point, and he could have gone either way.

When he reflexively attacks a Jedi to save Palpatine however, and Palpatine subsequently murders said Jedi, making him an accessory, he’s too far down the rabbit hole. It’s exactly the incentive he needs to be greedy, and prioritize Padme over everything he knows is right — essentially, the decision has been made for him.

If Windu had listened to Anakin, and arrested Palpatine, well, he still would have been blown out the window, most likely. Anakin would have probably had the incentive to turn to the light side, and try to end the threat, in that moment, though.

It’s surprisingly well done and thought out.

 

[Kagey K]

I only watched it the once in the theater. I saw Force Awakens twice in order to be sure I didn't like it. I heard Rogue One was good, so I went to see it. I am not saying it was a "bad" movie, it was a movie I didn't like.

I couldn't remember the names of any of the characters. I didn't know what anyone's motivation was. In the beginning of the movie that one guy shot his compatriot. Everyone dies. Not once did I hear the word "Bothan Spy". (It might have been said, I don't remember.) I was a story that did not capture my imagination. I know most people love it, or at least find it good. I just found the whole thing unnecessary.

You should rewatch it. I would say it’s the best modern Star Wars story we have seen. It ties in well to the OT.

 

[kunonabi]

You should rewatch it. I would say it’s the best modern Star Wars story we have seen. It ties in well to the OT.

It doesnt tie into the OT well at all. It had the simplest elements of continuity to adhere to and it couldnt even do that. Of course, considering how poorly written and edited it was that isnt really surprising.

 

[Barsinister]

People would’ve hated Lucas’ Sequels more than the Prequels. You’d have Hermit Luke in Ep7, and then a whole bunch of midichorlian stuff that explained the Whills.

I thought a different take on the force shown in Phantom Menace was intriguing. A world inside another world where one has an effect on the other. Things were set up in Phantom Menace that would have paid off, I believe. How the Naboo life-forms had a "symbiotic circle". A great battle of the microscopic Whills that affected a whole...I don't know what word to use....other dimension?

EDIT: Reality; affected a whole other reality.

You should rewatch it. I would say it’s the best modern Star Wars story we have seen. It ties in well to the OT.

I really hated it. It pretty much killed any affection I have for Star Wars. I still like the old stuff, though, and like to talk about it on occasion.

 

[Kagey K]

It doesnt tie into the OT well at all. It had the simplest elements of continuity to adhere to and it couldnt even do that. Of course, considering how poorly written and edited it was that isnt really surprising.

You might be right, I only watched it once, and might have been watching it through the lens of my sons eye.

He enjoyed it so I did too, but also remember hating the prequel trilogy and he got me turn my opinion on that as well.

Im going to follow my own advice and watch it again, before I comment on it further.

 

[Kagey K]

Barsinister you laughed,

But it was the only modern Star Wars I actually enjoyed. I hope to come back with that same opinion.

 

[-Arcadia-]

I thought a different take on the force shown in Phantom Menace was intriguing. A world inside another world where one has an effect on the other. Things were set up in Phantom Menace that would have paid off, I believe. How the Naboo life-forms had a "symbiotic circle". A great battle of the microscopic Whills that affected a whole...I don't know what word to use....other dimension?

EDIT: Reality; affected a whole other reality.

I struggle with whatever this was supposed to be, if it’s right for Star Wars, and still don’t quite understand it, but I very much would have liked to see the original storyteller... tell the last chapter of the story he had in mind.

It at least sounds more fascinating than OT Remake but worse.

I kind of hope he puts the idea out there one day, so we can more understand what he would have done because whether one wants to accept it as their canon or not (not might be understandable), it seems there’s a gigantic piece of Star Wars worldbuilding that would redefine everything we know, that we’re not privy to.

 

[Barsinister]

Barsinister you laughed,

But it was the only modern Star Wars I actually enjoyed. I hope to come back with that same opinion.

It wasn’t a mocking laugh, I promise. I went to the new ones with my youngest daughter. She liked them well enough, I think. I didn’t really let her know my feelings on them until recently. She’s 16 now. So she would have been about 12 or 13 then. I don’t remember when it came out 2016 or 2015?

 

[Kagey K]

It wasn’t a mocking laugh, I promise. I went to the new ones with my youngest daughter. She liked them well enough, I think. I didn’t really let her know my feelings on them until recently. She’s 16 now. So she would have been about 12 or 13 then. I don’t remember when it came out 2016 or 2015?

I Hated Force Awakens TLJ and Rise of the Skywalker, for various reasons.

And why I discount anything that happened in them as crucial to the Jedi timeline.

Perhaps my grandkids will get me to see them different.

 

[chitzy]

Probably when Padme decided to diddle a boy 10 years younger than her, which lead to him falling in love with her and destroying the galaxy to be with her.

 

[Ceallach]

I Hated Force Awakens TLJ and Rise of the Skywalker, for various reasons.

And why I discount anything that happened in them as crucial to the Jedi timeline.

Perhaps my grandkids will get me to see them different.

It's a generational thing man.

I have early 20somethings who work for me who LOVE the prequels, those are their Star Wars movies. They wax nostalgic as fuck on them. For the last few days, the ship has been showing all of the Star Wars movies on repeat and they have so much love for the prequels, reminiscing on like getting Mace Windu pens(??) from cereal and shit.

My daughter is 7, her and her friends adore Rey and BB-8 and all of that, 7-9 are THEIR Star Wars movies. In 10 years I'm sure she will be just like the kids who work for me, she'll be telling them about the time she wanted the big Rey action figure and I took her to three different stores and had to wade through piles and pile of Finn and Poe figs to get her what she wanted.

 

[Dazrael]

I really hated it. It pretty much killed any affection I have for Star Wars. I still like the old stuff, though, and like to talk about it on occasion.

But it’s the closest thing we have to the old stuff. There were plenty of call backs to the original, it actually felt like a war film, it questioned the morality of the supposed heroes aims and, most importantly, it felt like a Star Wars film. Rogue One doesn’t get as much credit as it should.

Also Bothan spies obtained the plans to the second Death Star

 

[MacReady13]

You all are forgetting that Palpatine created Anakin. He was always part of the plan from the beginning.

This is my favorite scene in ANY Star Wars film. So dark. So twisted. So much going on. It’s pure brilliance.

 

[ManaByte]

Not once did I hear the word "Bothan Spy". (It might have been said, I don't remember.) I was a story that did not capture my imagination. I know most people love it, or at least find it good. I just found the whole thing unnecessary.

The Bothans told the Rebels where the SECOND Death Star was. They didn’t steal the plans for the FIRST Death Star. So that’s a really stupid reason to not like a movie about how the Rebel spies mentioned in the ANH opening crawl stole the plans for the original Death Star.

 

[Super Mario]

Execute order 66 was a weird one for me. I mean all of the most trusted Jedi in the galaxy commanded these armies. So they had to have known all of their orders. Yet not one of them found out that all clones were programmed with an order to murder all of them?

 

[ManaByte]

Execute order 66 was a weird one for me. I mean all of the most trusted Jedi in the galaxy commanded these armies. So they had to have known all of their orders. Yet not one of them found out that all clones were programmed with an order to murder all of them?

That’s a big part of Clone Wars. In season 6 they show that that the Clones have inhibiter chips in their brains and the Jedi know about them. They assume that’s what is used to keep them obedient. But one Clone’s malfunctions and kills a Jedi so another Clone investigates it and finds that the chip includes dormant code waiting for activation that will turn them into Jedi killers but Palpatine has him killed before he can tell the Jedi about it.

 

[MasterCornholio]

They had a chance to end it right there but no they had to save him!!!

 

[Barsinister]

The Bothans told the Rebels where the SECOND Death Star was. They didn’t steal the plans for the FIRST Death Star. So that’s a really stupid reason to not like a movie about how the Rebel spies mentioned in the ANH opening crawl stole the plans for the original Death Star.

This is turning unpleasant. Thank you for your time. Please enjoy all the Star Wars you can handle.

 

[teezzy]

I only watched it the once in the theater. I saw Force Awakens twice in order to be sure I didn't like it. I heard Rogue One was good, so I went to see it. I am not saying it was a "bad" movie, it was a movie I didn't like.

I couldn't remember the names of any of the characters. I didn't know what anyone's motivation was. In the beginning of the movie that one guy shot his compatriot. Everyone dies. Not once did I hear the word "Bothan Spy". (It might have been said, I don't remember.) I was a story that did not capture my imagination. I know most people love it, or at least find it good. I just found the whole thing unnecessary.

The worst part about Rogue One is the complete lack of memorable characters. That's pivotal for any Star Wars film.

 

[#Phonepunk#]

Obi Wan saving Luke from the sand people

if Old Ben wasn't out taking his morning constitutional then Luke dies in the desert, R2 sold off for scraps, and the Death Star destroys the rebellion for good.

 

[DKehoe]

People would’ve hated Lucas’ Sequels more than the Prequels. You’d have Hermit Luke in Ep7, and then a whole bunch of midichorlian stuff that explained the Whills.

I really want to know what Lucas' plans for episodes 7, 8 and 9 were. Release them as a comic or something, like they did with his initial plans for A New Hope. The fact he consistently had the idea of the Whills for decades and we never quite find out what was going on there is fascinating to me. I'm sure it would have been weird as fuck.

 

[NeoGiffer]

The biggest plot point is that one guy manipulated EVERYTHING for over sixty years and no one caught on.

 

[BlackOlivesMatter]

The fact that there were no more gas stations in The Last Jedi

 

[HaveButOneLife]

I will just admit now that I really didn't like the movie output of Disney Star Wars. I stopped watching after Rouge One, which I hated, hated, hated. I still love the old stuff and have a soft spot for the prequels. I think Mr. Lucas was pulled in too many directions with the story he was trying to tell. Midiclorians did not go over well, I think, so he back-peddled.

That being said, you may be right. Was Maul a Jedi before he became a Sith? I thought he was brought up by those force witches?

Wait how did he backpedal on Midichlorians?

 

[ManaByte]

Wait how did he backpedal on Midichlorians?

He didn't at all. His plan was to double down on Midichorlians in his sequel trilogy.

 

[Dazrael]

The worst part about Rogue One is the complete lack of memorable characters. That's pivotal for any Star Wars film.

But it had Donnie Yen in it.

Donnie Yen!