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[Draugoth]

The court case was based on Karl's accusation that Billy Mitchell's legal actions led to the suicide of fellow YouTuber Apollo Legend. The judge ruled in Mitchell's favour

https://www.queenslandjudgments.com.au/caselaw/qdc/2025/41 Court document link

https://archive.sclqld.org.au/qjudgment/2025/QDC25-041.pdf Direct PDF link

 

[Jinzo Prime]

Mitchell is a piece of shit, but Jobst should have reported the facts and kept his subjective opinions to himself. No idea why Jobst thought Australian justice was going to protect him.

 

[Harlock]

Until now everyone was thinking the lawsuit was about Billy Mitchell cheating. If it was about Karl allegations that Billy caused someone suicide is a very different case.

 

[cireza]

Karl has been a very interesting person to follow on these matters with Mitchell, however this looks like a very risky accusation to carry. Quite surprised when I discovered it was about that when opening the topic.

He should not be naive though, even if he thinks he rides on the right side, he should never underestimate the power and influence of people that have money and experience like Mitchell.

 

[AJUMP23]

Can't commit Libel and slander. Billy Mitchell loves being hated.

 

[DR3AM]

Hello you absolute loser

 

[Success]

Is this a April Fools joke?

UPDATE:

Karl was in the wrong and messed up. Billy Mitchell was actually in the right

From Reddit:
From parts 67-68 of the ruling:

Mr Mitchell said that the complaint was served on Apollo Legend, who later contacted Mr Mitchell's son through an intermediary, eventually resulting in a settlement agreement between them dated 22 August 2020. Under that agreement,47 Apollo Legend agreed to remove the six videos from YouTube and any other public or private forum, to assign copyright in the videos to Mr Mitchell, never again to publish (without Mr Mitchell's consent) anything referring to Mr Mitchell or his family, or to Mr Mitchell's scores and records in video games, nor to disparage Mr Mitchell, his family or (in essence) anyone associated with Mr Mitchell. Apollo Legend agreed that, if he breached any of those terms, he would pay Mr Mitchell liquidated damages of US$25,000 for each breach. The parties agreed that Apollo Legend could publish a statement about the settlement in agreed terms. They agreed that Mr Mitchell's proceeding against Apollo Legend would be dismissed by consent and each released the other from any claims. The terms of the agreement were to be confidential.

To be clear, the agreement did not require Apollo Legend to pay any money to Mr Mitchell unless he breached his non-publication obligations.

Claims:

• He sued Apollo Legend for $1,000,000. True, according to Apollo.
• Apollo settled. True.
• Apollo paid a large sum of money. False.
• Apollo committed suicide because of Billy. Unsubstantiated.

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Billy did sue Apollo and won, but that wasn't the issue, the issue was Karl making the claim that because of Billy's lawsuit Apollo went broke and committed suicide
The issue is that Billy was able to prove that

1. he never actually collected any of the damages from the lawsuit with Apollo so he didn't contribute to Apollo's money troubles at all

And 2) Apollo posted a suicide video himself explaining his logic for wanting to commit suicide and he never once mentions Billy or the lawsuit with him in the video, he talks about completely different stuff like the issues with DarkViper
So in the Judge's opinion the claim that Billy caused Apollo to commit suicide does not have any evidence to support that and it was of course a very damaging claim for Karl to continually push without evidence
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DarkViper the GTA youtuber?

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Yes, there's a lot of lore but basically Apollo Legend hung around a white nationalist and defended him, DarkViperAU called him out for it, Apollo Legend started a years long beef with DarkViperAU over it where he ran with lies to smear DarkViperAU, and it culminated in Apollo Legend basically hinting that DarkViperAU was a contributing reason he committed suicide. Kind of a piece of shit move right before going into the grave!


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Extra Reading for more info

Donkey Kong champion wins defamation case against Australian YouTuber Karl Jobst

Queenslander ordered to pay $350,000 plus interest and costs as judge finds his video about American gamer Billy Mitchell was ‘recklessly’ based on false claim

www.theguardian.com

 

[nani17]

Is this a April Fools joke?

Sadly, it's not

 

[crazepharmacist]

No idea who these people are or what they did.

 

[nemiroff]

That video...

 

[Griffon]

So wait the lawsuit wasn't Mitchell attacking Jobst over his proven cheating, but instead was Jobst attacking Mitchell over a loose responsibility for a suicide?

Wtf... I knew Jobst was kinda full of shit but that's a weird one.

 

[Dr.D00p]

Two grown men trying to ruin each other over something no one else gives two flying fucks about.....truly pathetic, they deserve each other.

 

[FewRope]

So wait the lawsuit wasn't Mitchell attacking Jobst over his proven cheating, but instead was Jobst attacking Mitchell over a loose responsibility for a suicide?

Wtf... I knew Jobst was kinda full of shit but that's a weird one.

He basically lied about what the trial was, yeah

 

[baphomet]

He basically lied about what the trial was, yeah

He's never once said the trial was about Billy cheating. It was known to be a defamation case.

 

[ReBurn]

Rare incel victory?

 

[AeonGaidenRaiden]

WHAT!!!??? How????

 

[Paasei]

No idea who these people are or what they did.

Same, lmao.

 

[Draugoth]

WHAT!!!??? How????

He lied about what the case was about, which is why he refused money from Notch

Same, lmao.

No idea who these people are or what they did.

 

[DownLikeBCPowder]

Whooaa... this is a bombshell. There go all the Youtube monies, in the end all the videos farming Mitchell just going to his pocket! What a turn of events.

 

[Paasei]

He lied about what the case was about, which is why he refused money from Notch

I see now, I remember that Donkey Kong world record story from some documentary or whatever many years ago.

 

[Gamer_By_Proxy]

Good. I'm glad people are finally going after people for slander and libel, especially the other recent cases where it's against the news media knowing lying.
Enough with the free pass character hit jobs.

 

[DrFigs]

A common Bill Mitchell W.

 

[Cyberpunkd]

Two grown men trying to ruin each other over something no one else gives two flying fucks about.....truly pathetic, they deserve each other.

It's called slander and if Jobst was from the US this would have probably fallen inside "freedom of speech". Too bad!

 

[Kings Field]

Get fucked YouTube trash lmfaoooooo

 

[FewRope]

He's never once said the trial was about Billy cheating. It was known to be a defamation case.

But he never said it was because the suicide thing, he framed everything like it was because the cheating

 

[Jinzo Prime]

It's called slander and if Jobst was from the US this would have probably fallen inside "freedom of speech". Too bad!

Buddy, we have defamation lawsuits too. Grow up and stop making everything a hit piece against the US.

 

[cireza]

He lied about what the case was about, which is why he refused money from Notch

Mitchell basically carved his hair into a permanent waterproof hood. Guy is an absolute legend.

 

[bender]

Tack on the legal fees and he's well over half a million in the hole over this. I wonder if his angel donors will help pay for the damages as well. I *think* Notch was one of them.

 

[baphomet]

But he never said it was because the suicide thing, he framed everything like it was because the cheating

That was never how it was framed.

You do realize Billy IS/WAS suing him for cheating allegations as well right?

 

[Portugeezer]

Billy Micthel is cheating trash and Karl was receiving donations for this case, right? I always thought - watching his YouTube videos - that this case was about cheating and not the accusation of having caused suicide.

Karl is a snake for obfuscating that, I could be wrong, but I'm not going back to watch his long videos to confirm.

 

[Astray]

It's called slander and if Jobst was from the US this would have probably fallen inside "freedom of speech". Too bad!

He probably would have won even in the US.

IIRC, Mitchell found evidence of him editing out parts of an interview with Apollo Legend's brother that would hurt the suicide claims.

 

[bender]

Billy Micthel is cheating trash and Karl was receiving donations for this case, right? I always thought - watching his YouTube videos - that this case was about cheating and not the accusation of having caused suicide.

Karl is a snake for obfuscating that, I could be wrong, but I'm not going back to watch his long videos to confirm.

From the Jobst videos I watched, I don't recall any talk about the lawsuit being related to another person's suicide. Maybe my memory banks are malfunctioning.

 

[BennyBlanco]

Winners win

 

[nkarafo]

From the Jobst videos I watched, I don't recall any talk about the lawsuit being related to another person's suicide. Maybe my memory banks are malfunctioning.

Honestly i don't remember that either.

I thought it was about the cheating allegations. Which is why i was surprised at the OP's title since the evidence for that looks pretty tight.

Maybe there are two different lawsuits?

 

[tkscz]

Is this a April Fools joke?

UPDATE:

Karl was in the wrong and messed up. Billy Mitchell was actually in the right

From Reddit:
From parts 67-68 of the ruling:



Claims:

• He sued Apollo Legend for $1,000,000. True, according to Apollo.
• Apollo settled. True.
• Apollo paid a large sum of money. False.
• Apollo committed suicide because of Billy. Unsubstantiated.

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Billy did sue Apollo and won, but that wasn't the issue, the issue was Karl making the claim that because of Billy's lawsuit Apollo went broke and committed suicide
The issue is that Billy was able to prove that

1. he never actually collected any of the damages from the lawsuit with Apollo so he didn't contribute to Apollo's money troubles at all

And 2) Apollo posted a suicide video himself explaining his logic for wanting to commit suicide and he never once mentions Billy or the lawsuit with him in the video, he talks about completely different stuff like the issues with DarkViper
So in the Judge's opinion the claim that Billy caused Apollo to commit suicide does not have any evidence to support that and it was of course a very damaging claim for Karl to continually push without evidence
---------
DarkViper the GTA youtuber?

-------



Yes, there's a lot of lore but basically Apollo Legend hung around a white nationalist and defended him, DarkViperAU called him out for it, Apollo Legend started a years long beef with DarkViperAU over it where he ran with lies to smear DarkViperAU, and it culminated in Apollo Legend basically hinting that DarkViperAU was a contributing reason he committed suicide. Kind of a piece of shit move right before going into the grave!


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Extra Reading for more info

Donkey Kong champion wins defamation case against Australian YouTuber Karl Jobst

Queenslander ordered to pay $350,000 plus interest and costs as judge finds his video about American gamer Billy Mitchell was ‘recklessly’ based on false claim

www.theguardian.com

Thank you for this.

Billy is a piece of trash but that doesn't mean you pin someone's suicide on him.

Really didn't help Karl that Billy had the receipts, biggest two being proof he didn't take a dime from Apollo and that Apollo's suicide video never mentions Billy.

Did Karl not know about the suicide video?

Honestly i don't remember that either.

I thought it was about the cheating allegations. Which is why i was surprised at the OP's title since the evidence for that looks pretty tight.

Maybe there are two different lawsuits?

From what I'm gathering from other post on here and twitter, Karl made it seem like it was over the cheating violations as defamation. He never mentions the suicide claims, so no one knew that's what it was about. He was also taking donations for the law suite.

 

[bender]

Mr. Jobst clearly intended to be the knight who slew the Mitchell dragon, unfortunately for him, his lance was not as strong as he believed it to be and it has broken in the contest.

edit: fixed some typos

 

[Wildebeest]

Never trust an internet drama farmer, especially when they start to beg for money to help them keep "reporting" on internet drama.

 

[Chuck Berry]

 

[Zacfoldor]

Is American law the same or do we have free speech?

 

[kevboard]

Billy Micthel is cheating trash and Karl was receiving donations for this case, right? I always thought - watching his YouTube videos - that this case was about cheating and not the accusation of having caused suicide.

Karl is a snake for obfuscating that, I could be wrong, but I'm not going back to watch his long videos to confirm.

there are multiple lawsuits, he even showed some lf the documents in a video of the other one about the cheating I think

 

[NeonDelta]

What video game is this about?

 

[w00ze]

Until now everyone was thinking the lawsuit was about Billy Mitchell cheating. If it was about Karl allegations that Billy caused someone suicide is a very different case.

Right? This is kinda strange. At least from my recollection of all the videos.

 

[bender]

Jobst also got a bit lucky as the judge opined that Mitchell would have been justified in asking for more than $50,000 in aggravated damages but could only award what had been asked in the lawsuit. He also got hit with $40,446.58 in 3% interest and might be on the hook for Mitchell's legal fees (Mitchell/Jobst have 14 days to come up with an alternative).

 

[bigdad2007]

There is probably a reason Jobost never brought up the whole suicide accusation part of the lawsuit. He knew it was the weak part of his case, but was relying on YouTube revenue and donations to pay for his legal fees. It is much easier to milk people's hate of Billy Mitchel.

I think they are both sleezy in different ways. Billy is a pumped up 80's video game record liar that can't hang in the modern era where his cheating is easier to spot. Karl is a viral hate farmer.

 

[Hookshot]

Never knew the story shifted from cheating at games to blaming for someone killing themselves. Guess Jobst has bankrupted himself here.

 

[BennyBlanco]

 

[delirium trigger]

Unplug your arcade machines because Billy just got a Brinks truck full of quarters and he's coming to fuck your shit up.

 

[Success]

Mr. Jobs clearly intended to be the knight who slew the Mitchell dragon, unfortunately for him, his lance was not a strong as he believed it to be and it has broken in the contest.

Karl is COOKED!

I thought he was one of the good ones.

This video really exposed Karl for what he is.

 

[bender]

Karl is COOKED!

I thought he was one of the good ones.

This video really exposed Karl for what he is.

I'm really curious what Billy's legal expenses were. Jobst estimated his legal expenses to be about $280,000 at one point. Breaking a million when all things are said and done would be a bit ironic.

 

[nkarafo]

Guess Jobst has bankrupted himself here.

Guy has 1m+ subscribers. His videos very often break 1m+ views. Plus whatever donations he receives.

Not sure how much money Youtubers make but if 50-100k subs is enough to make your channel a full job then Jobs seems like he can afford it.