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[lednerg]

All that matters to me is he's still got Killer Mike's vote:

Killer Mike ‏@KillerMike 6h hours ago
A lotta folks asked me what I thought about this yesterday http://m.worldstarhiphop.com/apple/video.php?v=wshhEYrfQ6xeGH76SHQG … after seeing it. I feel Sanders got a raw deal. Smh wow​

 

[royalan]

What? Seattle event was a day ago. The video I linked was on July 31st, to the National Urban league. He made promises, he made policy suggestions.

It wasn't after the Seattle event.

When I quoted you, I was responding to your response to this post:

It was compiled after Seattle, but these are all things that he's campaigned on and talked about in many speeches at the SCLC and others.

 

[BeerSnob]

#BowDownBurnie

Well that went the way I expected it to. On the plus side I did learn the rules for whites, so that's something.

 

[linsivvi]

LOL I give up.

I guess the fucking National Urban League isn't good enough.

 

[Vicetrailia]

I do hope Bernie nails the next interruption(s) and creates belivers out of the ones who are on the fence.

 

[msv]

Of course, but good for Sanders on doing something to make his stances on the issues clear. It's obviously something he needed to do.

It's really not. Only now after these random protests. Sorry but the arguments are nonsensical to me. To go out of your way to make statements like in the article posted a few posts above and the protesters protesting sanders himself makes not a lick of sense.

Protesting is great, and we need more of it. But infighting goes completely counter to that, and that's what this is.

 

[Dennis]

#BowDownBurnie

Well that went the way I expected it to. On the plus side I did learn the rules for whites, so that's something.

 

[royalan]

LOL I give up.

I guess the fucking National Urban League isn't good enough.

Why are you so dead-set on being angry?

I literally just complimented Bernie Sanders.

Clearly, a lot of people do not know of Bernie's actions in fighting for racial issues or what his stances are. You can argue Bernie's accomplishments until you're blue in the face, but if people don't know they don't know. So kudos to him for actually taking initiative to make his stances on the issues clearer.

It's really not. Only now after these random protests.

So, for clarification, you're saying that before these protests people were clear about where Bernie stood on black issues?

 

[Subpar Spatula]

Why are you so dead-set on being angry?

I literally just complimented Bernie Sanders.

Clearly, a lot of people do not know of Bernie's actions in fighting for racial issues or what his stances are. You can argue Bernie's accomplishments until you're blue in the face, but if people don't know they don't know. So kudos to him for actually taking initiative to make his stances on the issues clearer.

So these protesters were uninformed?

 

[soleil]

Did you even read my post? I just said your boy Sanders did something good.

Did I attack him afterward?

So are you a Sanders supporter now that he has done what you asked, AND has the record to show that he was always part of the solution and not part of the problem?

 

[royalan]

So are you a Sanders supporter now that he has done what you asked, AND has the record to show that he was always part of the solution and not part of the problem?

No, I am absolutely not a Sanders supporter (for other reasons).

But that doesn't mean I have to find a way to criticize everything he does. He did something good here, something that will actually go a long way toward getting BLM off his back. Let that be that.

 

[Deleted member 231381]

No, I am absolutely not a Sanders supporter (for other reasons).

But that doesn't mean I have to find a way to criticize everything he does. He did something good here, something that will actually go a long way toward getting BLM off his back. Let that be that.

Question: who do you support?

 

[royalan]

Question: who do you support?

Completely irrelevant to this discussion.

 

[WanderingWind]

So, for clarification, you're saying that before these protests people were clear about where Bernie stood on black issues?

People who did a bare minimum of research with tools available to everybody who clearly cared more about starting a trending hashtag than giving an actual shit about the issues? Yes.

 

[soleil]

No, I am absolutely not a Sanders supporter (for other reasons).

But that doesn't mean I have to find a way to criticize everything he does. He did something good here, something that will actually go a long way toward getting BLM off his back. Let that be that.

Okay, so who do you support, and why? Seems to me like this is what Bernie supporters were afraid of: Moving goalposts. He did what was asked, has the record to show consistency (he never contributed to the "tough on crime" policies) and still doesn't get the support.

 

[BeerSnob]

Do it, go down that rabbit hole if for no other reason than your personal amusement.

 

[Deleted member 231381]

Completely irrelevant to this discussion.

Why? I mean, presumably if you would vote for someone who isn't Bernie, you must think that their record on your key issues is better than Bernie's - or you'd be voting for him. So, I'm just interested to see who you think is doing best on this issue and why.

 

[cashman]

Really starting to wonder how Hillary seems to avoid this ever happening to her.

Guess who's paying to organize them?

 

[soleil]

Why? I mean, presumably if you would vote for someone who isn't Bernie, you must think that their record on your key issues is better than Bernie's - or you'd be voting for him. So, I'm just interested to see who you think is doing best on this issue and why.

Exactly.

Current stance? Check.
Consistent record? Check.

 

[royalan]

Why? I mean, presumably if you would vote for someone who isn't Bernie, you must think that their record on your key issues is better than Bernie's - or you'd be voting for him. So, I'm just interested to see who you think is doing best on this issue and why.

Last I checked, this thread wasn't about which candidate we personally support. It's about Bernie Sanders being interrupted at another event. We're not arguing who I plan to support, we're not even arguing Bernie's record.

Getting hung up on who I personally support is irrelevant.

 

[freenudemacusers]

Question: who do you support?

I can't be the only one reading this and the black culture thread side by side, right?

 

[Suite Pee]

I think it's a bit insulting to think these college-educated, internet-savvy protesters don't know Bernie's record on Civil Rights.

I'm a Bernie supporter and a BLM supporter. I hope they can achieve the same disruption towards Hillary.

 

[soleil]

Last I checked, this thread wasn't about which candidate we personally support. It's about Bernie Sanders being interrupted at another event. We're not arguing who I plan to support, we're not even arguing Bernie's record.

Getting hung up on who I personally support is irrelevant.

It's relevant because people are saying he can't do better with minorities until he presents a clear plan on what he'll do about race.

Plan presented. Now where is the support?

 

[TheLostBigBoss]

#BowDownBurnie

Well that went the way I expected it to. On the plus side I did learn the rules for whites, so that's something.

shit, I can't do hands up?

I guess I'll just stand in the back of the march.

 

[Deleted member 231381]

Last I checked, this thread wasn't about which candidate we personally support. It's about Bernie Sanders being interrupted at another event. We're not arguing who I plan to support, we're not even arguing Bernie's record.

Getting hung up on who I personally support is irrelevant.

Sorry, I just feel it is relevant. I mean, a lot of folks here maybe mean well on the racial discrimination front, but they don't actually know how to connect with the movement because they're from well-off, white families that have no understanding of the black life. It's all well and good telling them things they can do, but I think a lot of them won't understand why or even what you mean. If you think there's a candidate out there who is really good on these issues, then they have someone to look to and emulate in a practical, applicable way.

 

[Subpar Spatula]

Last I checked, this thread wasn't about which candidate we personally support. It's about Bernie Sanders being interrupted at another event. We're not arguing who I plan to support, we're not even arguing Bernie's record.

Getting hung up on who I personally support is irrelevant.

It is relevant regarding supporting a candidate. If not you, then who is BLM supporting?

 

[deli2000]

Quick tip to Bernie voters. I'm no expert on american politics or anything, but it seems to be that constantly antagonizing & patronizing black voters isn't the best way to win over black voters. Bernie himself would probably agree with this, so how about everybody stops taking criticisms to heart so much, and actually start thinking about the reasons a bunch of black liberals would pull a stunt like this. Or you could not do that and keep throwing a tantrum about it. Whatever floats your boat.

 

[royalan]

It's relevant because people are saying he can't do better with minorities until he presents a clear plan on what he'll do about race.

Plan presented. Now where is the support?

The support is in the ceasing of open criticism. But just because he did something good here doesn't mean that he automatically gets my vote. Are you serious?

It is relevant regarding supporting a candidate. If not you, then who is BLM supporting?

I don't know, there's no King of BLM to tell me.

 

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

Did you even read my post? I just said your boy Sanders did something good.

Did I attack him afterward?

:lol He's not my boy. You've been complaining all thread about him doing nothing. You've just proven you're uninformed about things is all it seems.

 

[soleil]

The support is in the ceasing of open criticism. But just because he did something good here doesn't mean that he automatically gets my vote. Are you serious?



I don't know, there's no King of BLM to tell me.

No one should automatically get your vote, and that should also apply to whomever you're supporting. That person shouldn't automatically get your vote either.

What has any other candidate done to earn your vote?

 

[werks]

The support is in the ceasing of open criticism. But just because he did something good here doesn't mean that he automatically gets my vote. Are you serious?



I don't know, there's no King of BLM to tell me.

Nah man, go vote for Hillary. I'm sure she will fix everything with all the industrial prison lobby money she is getting. Black lives have been filling the Clinton campaign coffers for decades now, of course black lives in orange matters to her.

 

[royalan]

:lol He's not my boy. You've been complaining all thread about him doing nothing. You've just proven your uninformed about things is all it seems.

Wrong, I'm well aware of Bernie's record and his accomplishments. Fortunately, I'm also clued in that there are a lot of people out there who AREN'T aware, and Bernie and his supporters sitting back and saying, "Welp! The record is out there! Do your homework!" is not going to do a damn thing to sway or educate anyone. So again, Bernie did a good thing here.

 

[dream]

shit, I can't do hands up?

I guess I'll just stand in the back of the march.

It's almost like they're trying to keep the undesirables out of their rally.

 

[Subpar Spatula]

I don't know, there's no King of BLM to tell me.

Then it falls to you, who is a good candidate. Not the one you support but who is a good candidate to represent minorities?

 

[Vice]

No one should automatically get your vote, and that should also apply to whomever you're supporting. That person shouldn't automatically get your vote either.

What has any other candidate done to earn your vote?

There's a possibility he hasn't made up his mind yet.

 

[soleil]

Quick tip to Bernie voters. I'm no expert on american politics or anything, but it seems to be that constantly antagonizing & patronizing black voters isn't the best way to win over black voters. Bernie himself would probably agree with this, so how about everybody stops taking criticisms to heart so much, and actually start thinking about the reasons a bunch of black liberals would pull a stunt like this. Or you could not do that and keep throwing a tantrum about it. Whatever floats your boat.

We are literally asking why pull the stunt. And asking who has done more isn't antagonizing.

 

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

Wrong, I'm well aware of Bernie's record and his accomplishments. Fortunately, I'm also clued in that there are a lot of people out there who AREN'T aware, and Bernie and his supporters sitting back and saying, "Welp! The record is out there! Do your homework!" is not going to do a damn thing to sway or educate anyone. So again, Bernie did a good thing here.

Stop fighting strawmem and respond to me directly. Thanks. You keep making a lot of assumptions, like him being "my boy".

 

[royalan]

No one should automatically get your vote, and that should also apply to whomever you're supporting. That person shouldn't automatically get your vote either.

What has any other candidate done to earn your vote?

What does who I am supporting have to do with this thread? I have referenced only 2 candidates in this thread: O'Malley and Sanders, and O'Malley only gets a mention because he's directly involved in the fiasco this thread is actually about.

Stop fighting strawmem and respond to me directly. Thanks. You keep making a lot of assumptions, like him being "my boy".

Now I know you're reading my posts. I responded to you ages ago.

 

[TheLostBigBoss]

It's almost like they're trying to keep the undesirables out of their rally.

undesirables as in what? People who support their cause but aren't black?

 

[werks]

I can't be the only one reading this and the black culture thread side by side, right?

I just took a look at it, lot of talk about hand waving. Which is funny because they are hand waving the past of all 3 candidates. 1 that has always stood for racial equality, and 2 that made their names by being tough on crime.

Even if we overlook the past, how you can claim to support Hillary (the largest benefactor of private prison money) and BLM at the same time is mind boggling.

 

[Vice]

undesirables as in what? People who support their cause but aren't black?

People who want try contribute, but in doing so take away from their causes goal perhaps, intentionally or unintentionally.

No one should automatically get your vote, and that should also apply to whomever you're supporting. That person shouldn't automatically get your vote either.

What has any other candidate done to earn your vote?

There's a possibility he hasn't made up his mind yet.

 

[Deleted member 231381]

undesirables as in what? People who support their cause but aren't black?

That's clearly not the point of that. You can clearly support as a white person, but America has a hundred white person in a position of authority for every one black person. Asking white people to try and understand that opportunities for black people to voice themselves fully are rare, and must be wilfully created rather than simply happen by themselves, isn't the same as finding all white support undesirable.

 

[dream]

undesirables as in what? People who support their cause but aren't black?

Pretty much. "Stand there, shut up, and don't you dare be vocal or visible."

The idea of marginalizing anyone who supports their cause is just baffling to me.

 

[Subpar Spatula]

There's a possibility he hasn't made up his mind yet.

Then who is a good candidate overall and why?

 

[Aaronology]

:lol He's not my boy. You've been complaining all thread about him doing nothing. You've just proven your uninformed about things is all it seems.

I think at this point we can call it like it is: This isn't actually about Sanders for most people in this thread; It's about hyper sensitivity to criticism and subsequently defending BLM, regardless of how self defeating, misdirected and fucking stupid their protests are becoming. The goal posts on what Sanders should do has moved a hundred miles an hour.

There is no more reasonable discussion going on in this thread than what was had at the rally interruption.

 

[soleil]

What does who I am supporting have to do with this thread? I have referenced only 2 candidates in this thread: O'Malley and Sanders, and O'Malley only gets a mention because he's directly involved in the fiasco this thread is actually about.

I've never seen someone so active in political discussion refuse to state who they support. You're beginning to come off as insincere in your arguments when they've all been addressed and you can't talk about supporting either the guy, or explaining who has done more than him to earn your support.

 

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

What does who I am supporting have to do with this thread? I have referenced only 2 candidates in this thread: O'Malley and Sanders, and O'Malley only gets a mention because he's directly involved in the fiasco this thread is actually about.



Now I know you're reading my posts. I responded to you ages ago.

No you didn't, you went on some rant irrelevant to what I asked you. This is just childish.

 

[Vice]

Then who is a good candidate overall and why?

Whoever someone feels best represents their views on matters important to them.

 

[werks]

People who want try contribute, but in doing so take away from their causes goal perhaps, intentionally or unintentionally.


There's a possibility he hasn't made up his mind yet.

.

You know what's funny about all of this to me?

Before ANY of this happened, I was taking that online test to see which candidate I most aligned with along with some friends of mine. And I got like 97% Bernie and 93% Hillary. And my friends were like, "Oh, so are you going to support Sanders now?" And I was like Hell to the naw!

And I explained to them that my issue with Bernie is that whenever I hear him speak, I just sense weakness. I see a man who's hitting all his liberal talking points, but I don't hear passion or a commitment to really fight for his goals. It's one thing to just cast a vote. It's another when it's YOU at the forefront having to push YOUR agenda. I just have no faith in Bernie on the level. Whereas with Hillary, 93% alignment on the issues is fine with me, and on top of that she's proven herself to be a fighter. She's not going to get steamrolled; she's going to push her agenda. I may technically agree more with Bernie, but I have way more faith in Hillary to get things done.

And I said all of this WEEKS before Netroots, and since then Bernie has done nothing but prove me exactly right. I mean, you're really going to let this KEEP happening to you, Bernie? You're really going to be that stubborn? You REALLY can't contain and engage 3 people who hopped up on your stage? Damn...if that's too much for you to handle, I don't even want to bother seeing how you handle a Republican-controlled congress that will literally exist to oppose EVERYTHING you do.

 

[TheLostBigBoss]

That's clearly not the point of that. You can clearly support as a white person, but America has a hundred white person in a position of authority for every one black person. Asking white people to try and understand that opportunities for black people to voice themselves fully are rare, and must be wilfully created rather than simply happen by themselves, isn't the same as finding all white support undesirable.

I understand and agree with the idea that a white person shouldn't lead a march about black lives, but saying "You can't do X, can't do Y and it would be best if you're out of site as much as possible" is pretty hysterical to me.

I mean, just having a sign with, "Rules for whites", is pretty out there.