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Black Lives Matter shuts down a Bernie Sanders rally
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Ziltoidia 9
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Ah, well I'm sure a lot of campaign funds were spent to get him and his crew there, etc, but that's just a technicality.
To be honost, Sanders could have stepped in and helped lead the BLM protesters in calming down the crowd, having the moment of silence. He could have taken the opportunity to help lead the discussion and get their message out too. I haven't seen the whole encounter, on a few on youtube, so maybe he did try to. Mostly what I saw was him being quiet and respectable while off to the side on stage.
kame-sennin
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31 year-old law student. Are their any more ad homonyms to distract from the fact that you have no counter argument?
People are never more vicious than when fighting to protect the illusion that their government is an actual democracy.
I know you're poking fun at the conspiracy theories, but it doesn't really work because Sanders isn't actively provoking anyone.
Pretty sure Sanders has said we are basically in an oligarchy, or close to it.
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no, i'm serious here. his political... i dunno if you can call is strategy... is provoking the ire of one camp and they respond and that provokes the people in his camp. who does it really benefit?
Well then your hyper simplistic reductionist idealism is embarrassingly naive (like your grasp of terminology) and devoid of context and in an argument, because this isn't a debate, it sounds childish.
Democracy was created as a means for the aristocracy to control government rather than a single dictator. The fact that it has evolved to mean all people is great, but pretending something radical has changed shows a poor understanding of history. Women and minorities have only been a part of your idealized notion for dozens rather than hundreds of years.
The system is crappy and built to be gamed, but it is not an oligarchy. Or rather it is far less so than it has ever been in history.
How does he provoke people? "How dare he not being an exact representation of my political goals?!"
Afaik has he not proposed any laws or reforms that would harm minorities.
JoeyJungle
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This was hilarious and educational
Maninthemirror
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does everything have to be absolute. surely you can discern it means more harm than good when disrupting rallies of people like Bernie Sanders
LOL, right?
TemplaerDude
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She's clearly just reaching for some kind of internet fame, so congrats on accomplishing that I guess.
How did you want him to handle it exactly?
You mean Bernie is working for Donald Trump who is working for Clinton who is working for Soros.
Hmm.
OrangeGrayBlue
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While the event painted everyone in a poor light, I think Bernie is capable of turning it around, as shown with hiring Symone Sanders and updating his website, and ultimately all the attention this netted will work to his benefit. We're still early enough in the campaign that simple name recognition is a vital factor.
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I agree. But they don't care
Circle Jerk
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#followthemoney
kame-sennin
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I feel bad for Bernie...
These people are idiots.
Old white man ignoring the impassioned cries of a young black woman. Bernie looks terrible here.
I certainly believe his platform suggests as much. As does his record. The issue is whether anyone, regardless of intention, can actually change the nature of our government from within. I would say no.
Reforms are of course possible. But that is substantially different from changing the nature of an imperialist, neo-feudal government that thrives off the exploitation of the world's poor (as well as its own).
Yes, a black man has been elected president. And he has presided over an ever expanding neo-slave economy of mass incarceration targeted at black men. His best suggestion on how to curb the campaign of racial terrorism against blacks being waged by the police was to stop selling tanks to police departments and to slap cameras on officer's lapels so we could see black murder from a first-person perspective.
I think bringing up the rising diversity of our current political class in the context of horrendous institutional racism and sexism undercuts your point.
Liberals love telling people who oppose the status quo that they're naive. At the same time, we're supposed to believe that working within a system that was founded on slavery, genocide, and imperialism - practices that continue to this day - is rational and mature. 'Be an adult. Do what hasn't been working for the last 400 years.'
Are you arguing that American policy isn't determined primarily by the wealthy elite?
You don't get to benefit from 400 years of white supremacy AND not have a sense of humor about it.
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Sue me. I'm sorry you misinterpreted the joke about your propoganda as a defense of the government.
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Kind of like how Bernie's supporters are pushing Bernie into irrelevance.
Nah, that's what I thought at first, but it's becoming apparent that the "protesters" in question don't care about progress for anyone--black, white, or otherwise--and that they got exactly what they were after.
They're basically real life griefers.
LOL, because Bernie had so much traction when he announced his candidacy. Lets not act like he hasnt been written off by the mainstream from day one. His supporters are the only thing keeping him alive.
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"If we don't scream at people about how wrong they are and about how great Bernie is, Bernie will never live!"
Sorry! Bernie supporters are poison. Especially those who unironically declare BLM dead because of a single group of protesters.
neogaffer1
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I feel like the movement early on was something that I could understand and maybe even get behind, but around the first time they disrupted a Sanders/O'Malley debate I started to think that they were starting to lose sight of their goals. Everything I've heard up to this seemed to push them farther and farther away from a successful path, and this last thing with them shutting down a rally basically was the last nail in the coffin for most people I think. If anything I think this action hurt their movement more than anything they or anyone else has done and they're just going to become less and less of a group Democrats will ally themselves with.
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BLM makes themselves look like idiots yet again. Keep yelling those hashtags over the one candidate who might help you reach the goals you hope the accomplish
You also don't get to campaign for an end to racism against black people AND be hypocritical about it.
You should really watch the whole video then. The microphone was going to be offered to the protesters as soon as he finished speaking. The protesters didn't want to be silenced and demanded the microphone immediately.
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Hypocritical? You can argue that they were too loud and angry perhaps, but what did they do or say that went against what they believe or do?
How does it matter any more or less? Is BLM an organization to you? Must the actions of anyone who uses the hashtag be sanctioned or disavowed by some nebulous form of central command?
Yes, some people who agree that black and minority life matters and should be protected are also the sort of people who would rudely commandeer a Bernie Sanders rally. You can intuit no more than that. BLM is a movement - a reaction to injustice.
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NeoGAF, I need to know
If a BLM protester didn't tip, would you lose respect for the movement?
If a BLM protester didn't tip, would you lose respect for the movement?
Circle Jerk
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Only if they're circumcised.
Ofcourse, us non-black liberals are looking for any reason to discredit BLM. Don't you know that we represent the greatest threat to BLM and will be the reason BLM fails?
Beats me. But it's like watching Pixels and calling it a poor attempt at making a film.
I don't necessarily know how to make a good movie, but I know when it's done poorly.
neogaffer1
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not only that but the guy was like "we're trying to reasonable" and the protesters started screaming at him, saying "WE ARE BEING REASONABLE"
barging into a rally and telling the people in charge that they have to hand over the mic for an unspecified amount of time "or we will shut the rally down" and trying to force them to do so in a way that gives you focus over the reason the rally happened in the first place is not reasonable in the slightest.
It's a decentralized movement. Why in the world would you devalue the basic sentiments of fighting against police brutality against blacks, just because a few people lacked the ability to effectively champion their cause in a constructive manner.
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This is the only acceptable reply.
Well I mean, someone DID just dismiss an entire, often disconnected movement for literally no other reason than a single protest.
Vulcano's assistant
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A sexist one. Why am I not surprised?
DR2K
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When loud ignorant people are headlining your movement looking loud, ignorant, and classless that's the message it sends to everyone else.
I don't see the comparison here.
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Women can get circumcised though, sorry :v
You dismiss a disconnected group of people because of a single, small protest. Is it not okay to dismiss Bernie's supporters for an even larger group of people who lash out against BLM?
So Bernie fans then.
Not really no, but that's derailing this thread.
LaserBuddha
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And you dismissed an entire, often disconnected voting demographic for literally no other reason than a single post.
People do this with everything: "I'm not for or against X, but the supporters of X make me dislike X".
Politicians, political movements, sports teams, video games, movies, comics, musicians, colleges, methods of exercise, fashion, economic theories, religions beliefs. Whether significant or not, mundane or not, it happens. Everywhere. Always.
You're seeing competing claims on this thread of this very phenomenon.
It's commonplace.
Lol, did you just compare male circumcision to female genital mutilation?
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I'm just using his standards. Is it only okay to use them if you're doing them from the -just right- perspective?
No, I'm discussing trans people. I don't know why you're trying to get into fights. The last time I talked to you, you tried to call me a Hillary supporter for no other reason than I criticized Bernie.
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