Yeah, fuck it. Let's just watch as police continue to kill with impunity. No reason to care because of a couple of idiots.
You win, police. Kill away.
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Black Lives Matter shuts down a Bernie Sanders rally
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Yeah, fuck it. Let's just watch as police continue to kill with impunity. No reason to care because of a couple of idiots.
You win, police. Kill away.
Aaronology
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I would, will, and am. She might not be the face of BLM but she's the face of that picture.
I am not going to defend that image or the message behind it. Not going to rationalize it, excuse it, look for a way to justify it. If a white person wore a shirt like that I'd find it just as disgusting and she does not get a pass because she's black. If anything, I'm more pissed. Hypocrisy grinds my gears.
Don't presume to speak for me or black people when you're just as much as a racist asshole as the people who rally behind the Confederate Flag. White tears? Kindly fuck off, thanks.
"But it's just one bad apple..." Sorry, are we in a cop thread here? Why is it so hard for members of a group to call out people of said group instead of circling the wagons?
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I wonder if anyone is still camped out. I assume they left because it was annual phone upgrade time.
I'm confused. Can you tell me why the phrase "white tears" is so offensive to you? Do you know what it means? What it's referencing?
I don't know. Why don't you Sanders supporters tell us about it?
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The police are a carefully knit-together group of people who have tons of privileges. If a cop fucks up, that cop gets all the best protections, benefits, and privileges they could ever ask for. The police are also consistently showing that it's not just one bad apple. BLM doesn't have nearly that kind of structure, these kinds of protests are anomalous, and frankly, the police do more bad things more often, and the bad things are many degrees worse and are consistently protected by quote-unquote good cops.
ShooterMcGavin
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Seriously. The hypocrisy surrounding this is hilarious.
Aaronology
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Here's a mental exercise, royalan: Imagine a white person is wearing a black shirt with the words, "drinking black tears" while haughtily staring at the camera and sipping a glass of water.
Would you hesitate labeling this person a racist and a bigot? Would there be any doubt of their opinion of black people?
JeTmAn81
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Presumably it's racist for the same reason a white person proclaiming to enjoy drinking black tears would be racist.
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What would the context of a "drinking black tears" t-shirt be?
Ape Gone Insane
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Sure, i'll engage your bullshit.
Vulcano's assistant: A sexist one. Why am I not surprised?
A Link to the Snitch: Women can get circumcised though, sorry :v
werks: Lol, did you just compare male circumcision to female genital mutilation?
A Link to the Snitch: No, I'm discussing trans people. I don't know why you're trying to get into fights. The last time I talked to you, you tried to call me a Hillary supporter for no other reason than I criticized Bernie.
So what you said isn't sexist because females can get circumcision. You weren't talking about FGM but rather pre-op trans. So that excludes 50% of the population and still is sexist.
I'm not sure how trying to use pre-op trans as a loophole for sexism is a valid argument.
Good Job Bob
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What's actually bad about the image is that it suggests that she may be basking in her ignorance and unwilling to consider any critique of her protest.
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:lol
You are turning into a cartoon character. Can I ask you though, do you do much or talk much about FGM?
Oh my.
I understand your point of view, but this doesn't really answer my question.
As offensive as the phrase "white tears" does sound initially (it's not my perspective but I can agree with that), what the phrase "white tears" references is actually a real thing that occurs in discussions on racial issues. In that sense, it's very similar to the phrase "white guilt".
Are you guys offended by the phrase "white guilt" as well?
Continuing to run up the scoreboard would be my guess. I guess they don't see the difference between talking shit when you're far ahead as opposed to far behind but making strides.
Aaronology
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He isn't my horse in this race and I'm not a Bernie "stan" as you all are so respectfully calling people who disagree with you elsewhere. For the record my lot is thrown in with Clinton for entirely practical reasons, and I very much would hate to see Bernie get the nomination.
You're making the mistake of assuming anyone offended by these protests are in Sanders' camp. Stop.
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I'll agree with this though - people shouldn't be accused of supporting or opposing a politician because they are critical of them or critical of their critics.
It's not racist or offensive. It's stupid and signals that the wearer is an unintelligent, immature person. But it's not racist. Doesn't have to be both.
ShooterMcGavin
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...or you could just not talk shit, period. Especially when it involves something you care so deeply about and know won't help in the long-run.
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Treating the two as equivalent isn't appropriate, regardless of whether you think either shirt is appropriate at all. It's more appropriate to say "drinking white tears" than it is to say "drinking black tears."
Are you going to post a real response?
If i say that I'm for female integration to combat roles in the military as long as they have a penis, it would be sexist against cis-females.
As for FGM, it's reprehensible but largely a non-issue in the states and illegal. I also find ISIS reprehensible, but i haven't done much about it. Does that mean i'm not entitled to an opinion on the subject?
Take the L and move on, I didn't engage you on it for a reason. You don't have a real argument.
The shirt wearer implies that he or she enjoys the pain and grief symbolized through the tears of a group, specified through the colour so much he or she is enjoying drinking it. You could enjoy the suffering of republicans watching Trump burning Rome by drinking "repulican tears". You can enjoy the tears of upset immigrants because their refugees homes were burned down by "drinking immigrant tears". And you could enjoy the suffering of everyone that happens to be born in a certain skin colour by drinking that tears. You show that you dislike a while group of people specified by the adjective for having that adjective. Being a republican, be a immigrant or happen to be born with the wrong skin colour. And this shouldn't be cool with any. White people didn't choose to be white and didn't choose who else is white. Why should white people be responsible for everything other white people did? Same for black people and all other people.
No doubt it's easier to get into situations where you are guilty by associatin when you're white by just doing or saying nothing. However this certainly not the case for every white person by default.
Whats the point of going 0 to 100 on protesting Bernie Sanders? If people are protesting because they feel he's the most receptive to their issues why don't they first engage in conversation before protesting? I would definitely support protesting if there was an attempt at having a conversation and if that didn't work then protest. I may be ignorant but have there been any attempts at discourse with Bernie Sanders regarding racial issues before the protests?
Black-Wind
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You ...
Are you trying to compare trained members of law enforcement paid for by the people to a movement?
Had a whole thing typed out but fuck it
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I'm not going to post a response because you're looking to make a fight. I was basically playing along with a pretty silly narrative, but you have serious issues controlling anger. I used to have problems w/ that too, and it probably shows a bit in this thread, but I'm trying to not let things get to me as much. All I can say is that I hope that you figure out that this kind of discussion is neither conductive or healthy sooner rather than later.
The implication of a "drinking ____ tears" message is that they're drinking tears made specifically by people in a group who are upset, usually over something small. It's kind of like a trans person "drinking cis tears" - or even if they say "fuck cis people". It's an oppressed group being angry about another group that is disproportionately powerful over them. "Drinking white tears" and "drinking cis tears" aren't things people say because they hate white and/or cis people (not usually anyway), they're said because people hate what they do and say to them.
Firestone77
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What ever happened to just condemning bad behavior, period? Vile perspectives.
Ah, my mistake then sorry.
Still, it's funny to watch that get brought up when I see just as many of his supporters resorting to the same sort of logic.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
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Why are people taking link to snitch seriously? He admitted earlier in the thread that all he does is troll in these threads. He's a troll, he's clearly not interested in actually debating something.
Who are these supporters you keep bringing up? This is starting to feel like the backlash threads we have about twitter where there's two tweets on all of twitter and people saying that people are calling for the death of someone.
Who are these supporters you keep bringing up? This is starting to feel like the backlash threads we have about twitter where there's two tweets on all of twitter and people saying that people are calling for the death of someone.
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Way to take it out of context. I said that I trolled in a previous thread and that I should not have done that. And more recently I said that I allow my emotions to get the better of me and that I'm trying to do better.
Yep. People are losing the plot.
One group is killing people. The other group is struggling to get a message across.
But let us compare the two.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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No one sees the irony of holding all proponents of the black lives matter idea responsible for the actions of a few people claiming it?
Also, swim in your feelings over a shirt while melanin gradations are getting people shot brehs
Also, swim in your feelings over a shirt while melanin gradations are getting people shot brehs
Ah, the angry minority defense. You are right, your post was a joke. That's why I didn't respond. Not sure why you would call me out to respond only to fall back on "But i was being silly."
Diet-sexism.
Aaronology
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Sorry, royalan, I have not seen this. And even if I had and this were true I would not consider it a legit defense. The shirt is meant to offend and directly calls out a group of people by their race to do so. If you don't see the problem with that coming from a group of people who ostensibly are against racism... well, then we're at quite the impasse.
You don't garner support via divisiveness.
They're pretty much all over twitter and harassing any black person who doesn't see eye to eye with them. Hell, I've even seen a few POC that were on Bernie's side who caught some of it. I'm pretty sure some of it also got linked to earlier in the thread.
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Because the original post was talking about tipping in the context of this thread and someone appropriately made a joke post about circumcision. That person's reply was the only valid reply because it was a joke post that went in line with my joke post. I guess you can think that I seriously was talking about FGM (you speak of changing gears, but you changed gears earlier by saying "oh you're not talking about FGM, but I'll find a way for it to be sexist anyway" sooo).
Also, angry minority defense? If you're referring to me, I'm not a POC. If you're referring to yourself, I haven't a clue what your ethnicity is.
So all white people are killing people and all black people are struggling to get a message across?
The entire idea is that she's drinking 'white tears' referring to people who are actually on the same side, who support the movement's ideas. So the phrase is indeed hypocritical, because regardless of their position, regardless of what they say or do, they're being lumped in with others because of the color of one's skin.
I don't want "fuck cis people" anywhere near me or my issues, k thx.
You didn't really answer my question, but lets just agree to disagree.
As for the bold, I think the big confusion in this thread is this issue of support. The BLM movement isn't really looking for white support...
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Okay? That's fine, but I'm not in a million years going to police people for being pissed off about being abused.
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GamerGate isn't decentralized. People of importance in the movement, people who had major followings, were engaging in really awful behaviour. Their claim that they cannot control a "few bad apples" (it's more than a few) is wrong because they chose not to control them.
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Remember when false equivalencies weren't the go to tactic?
Pepperidge Farm remembers
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Probably a better point to make, haha. Is "you're just like GamerGate" the new Godwin's Law?
So we're doing this now. Cool.
I understand the meaning and how you're using it but I think it diminishes her argument before even speaking a word. If you want an "opposing" side to listen, do not put something right in their face that they could take offense to before you start any type of discussion. Though she has the right to wear that message on her chest but it is only making her goals harder.
If I was one of those protesters and wanted to get my message across to, in this case, white people, I wouldn't insult them from the start. Even if half of the white people there understood the real meaning, that's still another 50% who will turn against before you started pleading your case. The negativity doesn't help when you're asking the "other side" to sit down and take you seriously. If I was a protester there and before we rushed the stage I saw that shirt, I would ask her to change it or cover it. If she refused, I'd tell her she's fucking things up before we even started and would probably recluse myself knowing the message would be lost before it began.
If we want change in this country for our people, that shirt isn't going to help, especially if you're going for national recognition. Stupid move by people who are not thinking this through.
Well good luck to you then.
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